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Post by The Concept on Apr 30, 2024 12:51:59 GMT
A lot of talk in other places at how this discriminates against our older supporters, who don't have smart-phones. But what about kids who won't have any phone at all? I don't know how this works - can adults have more than 1 account on their phone? The club didn't care about these types of groups going cashless, I don't think they'll care about anything else but fleecing the vulnerable.. Yep. On the subject of cashless... Ever stood in a queue for a programme, from one of the booths (if there are any left)? The card machines are so slow, it takes about 5 minutes a transaction. And once I went to get a pasty from the hut and they couldn't get my credit card to work (first tap, then swipe). After a while they just waved me on, so I got a free pasty! |
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Post by Delsy on Apr 30, 2024 13:23:30 GMT
I think I am going to be watching my local club in the SW Peninsula league Prem West Division next season, I might pop up for the odd game but basically only to have a beer and a chin wag with me old mates. Poor move this by Rovers, a digital ticket doesn't offer up much ' connection' to the club and was this made clear to supporters when they splashed out their cash to buy next years ST ? if not , then I think it a little shabby. I wonder if it is because they know people share ST's and this was perhaps to combat that ?!
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Post by baselswh on Apr 30, 2024 13:42:51 GMT
The club didn't care about these types of groups going cashless, I don't think they'll care about anything else but fleecing the vulnerable.. Yep. On the subject of cashless... Ever stood in a queue for a programme, from one of the booths (if there are any left)? The card machines are so slow, it takes about 5 minutes a transaction. And once I went to get a pasty from the hut and they couldn't get my credit card to work (first tap, then swipe). After a while they just waved me on, so I got a free pasty! The 50 50 raffle prizes are about 50% less than when people could use cash. |
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Post by swissgas on Apr 30, 2024 14:39:15 GMT
I`ve renewed my season ticket, but without a single shred of enthusiasm.Whatever happens next season, the club already has my money, but if we carry the form we displayed in the last couple of months into next season, I just shan`t go. Not going to continue leaving a nice warm pub with nice warm friends, at 2pm, to watch the awful skanky football, that blighted my winter/early spring. But, ( God help me ) I live in hope that things will improve. This sums up how I feel sadly. Not a season ticket holder but I have very little enthusiasm for next season or even, sadly, any hope. Owners - have been sold a pup and will look to maximise income and cut costs. The sounds emanating from the club make it feel as if budget will be limited. Manager - MT comes across like a man whose own enthusiasm has waned and seems totally exasperated, whether that's with the players or the Board/management. Players - some triers like Thomas but overall come across as if they are going through the motions between pay days. Fans - totally divided. B***** fans who want him back and want rid of Taylor now [and have been since B***** went and MT's appointment]. Many who yearn for a past that we haven't seen for a very long time. The brief joy of DC's time with promotions and a team that was united and played for the shirt has disappeared. A lot who enjoyed the match day and the game and ignored the politics, have seen a team that at times doesn't seem bothered. Even Gas diehards seemingly disillusioned. This is perhaps the worst times I have seen, not because of the league position, but because the fans are divided, we have owners who are not interested in Bristol Rovers, the tradition, the history, the Ragbag Rovers, the Gas; but salvaging what little they can from a train wreck, financially and as a business. The heart has gone out of the team and the club. Next season may well be a crossroads in the future of the club as a whole and that is not something I say lightly. The worst is that there is very little any of us can do to change the course of the club. Perhaps that is why we no longer have any enthusiasm. Sorry you feel this way Chesh and even more so if my forum contributions add to your sense of despair. The desperate situation Rovers are in now was completely avoidable and unfortunately Gasheads didn’t use their voices to try to prevent Wael making the mistakes he did but instead they thought they were being loyal to the club by cheering him on. The new owners are on the verge of making another series of mistakes but because they don’t have the charm of Wael we find Gasheads are divided over whether to support them or not and this will likely lead to an even worse outcome. If I was in the Al- Saeeds position this is what I’d do now 1. Be completely transparent about the financial situation the club is in due to years of reckless overspending. 2. Explain that the overriding priority is to get the club on an even financial keel and this will mean a period of austerity. 3. Acknowledge that development of the Mem will have to be put on the back burner. 4. Appoint an independent consultant to evaluate the best and most realistic options for the training ground. 5. Appoint an experienced CEO and CFO to run the business. 6. Appoint a PR agency to help the management and owners communicate professionally with stakeholders. |
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Post by baselswh on Apr 30, 2024 14:53:14 GMT
Playing devils advocate here. How long in time and how much in money would it be to pack and post eg 1500 plastic season tickets? How much time would it take to pack and post? Wages for the packers? The cost of plastic? Etc. Not sure. It's probably done by automation, I imagine? Hang on though this is Bristol Rovers... probably a few umpa lumpas in back room of a factory somewhere by the Feeder. I don't know either o2o2bo2ba. A Gashead communicates they would like a £15 plastic season ticket please. Then what actually happens from the request to receiving ST? I think it may involve labour and they'll want more than a couple of Mars Bars. |
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Post by Cheshiregas on Apr 30, 2024 14:57:41 GMT
This sums up how I feel sadly. Not a season ticket holder but I have very little enthusiasm for next season or even, sadly, any hope. Owners - have been sold a pup and will look to maximise income and cut costs. The sounds emanating from the club make it feel as if budget will be limited. Manager - MT comes across like a man whose own enthusiasm has waned and seems totally exasperated, whether that's with the players or the Board/management. Players - some triers like Thomas but overall come across as if they are going through the motions between pay days. Fans - totally divided. B***** fans who want him back and want rid of Taylor now [and have been since B***** went and MT's appointment]. Many who yearn for a past that we haven't seen for a very long time. The brief joy of DC's time with promotions and a team that was united and played for the shirt has disappeared. A lot who enjoyed the match day and the game and ignored the politics, have seen a team that at times doesn't seem bothered. Even Gas diehards seemingly disillusioned. This is perhaps the worst times I have seen, not because of the league position, but because the fans are divided, we have owners who are not interested in Bristol Rovers, the tradition, the history, the Ragbag Rovers, the Gas; but salvaging what little they can from a train wreck, financially and as a business. The heart has gone out of the team and the club. Next season may well be a crossroads in the future of the club as a whole and that is not something I say lightly. The worst is that there is very little any of us can do to change the course of the club. Perhaps that is why we no longer have any enthusiasm. Sorry you feel this way Chesh and even more so if my forum contributions add to your sense of despair. The desperate situation Rovers are in now was completely avoidable and unfortunately Gasheads didn’t use their voices to try to prevent Wael making the mistakes he did but instead they thought they were being loyal to the club by cheering him on. The new owners are on the verge of making another series of mistakes but because they don’t have the charm of Wael we find Gasheads are divided over whether to support them or not and this will likely lead to an even worse outcome. If I was in the Al- Saeeds position this is what I’d do now 1. Be completely transparent about the financial situation the club is in due to years of reckless overspending. 2. Explain that the overriding priority is to get the club on an even financial keel and this will mean a period of austerity. 3. Acknowledge that development of the Mem will have to be put on the back burner. 4. Appoint an independent consultant to evaluate the best and most realistic options for the training ground. 5. Appoint an experienced CEO and CFO to run the business. 6. Appoint a PR agency to help the management and owners communicate professionally with stakeholders. Hi Swiss Nothing to do with your posts! Simply the way things have gone and how I now feel about the situation The club are at a crossroads and in a condition I never thought we would see ourselves in. Especially from a fans perspective when we have always been reasonably united as a fanbase even during the GD/NH era where fans were divided in opinion but not necessarily with each other! The exception being the core who were 'in the know' or fought to oust the likes of Mike Turl etc The investors need to cut costs but also need experienced help which will cost them. 1,2 & 3 above needing cutbacks will be countered by the cost of 4 5 & 6 above. And it will take a strong manager and a winning team to bring the fanbase together and that will take time! Regards Cheshire |
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Post by swissgas on Apr 30, 2024 15:25:33 GMT
Sorry you feel this way Chesh and even more so if my forum contributions add to your sense of despair. The desperate situation Rovers are in now was completely avoidable and unfortunately Gasheads didn’t use their voices to try to prevent Wael making the mistakes he did but instead they thought they were being loyal to the club by cheering him on. The new owners are on the verge of making another series of mistakes but because they don’t have the charm of Wael we find Gasheads are divided over whether to support them or not and this will likely lead to an even worse outcome. If I was in the Al- Saeeds position this is what I’d do now 1. Be completely transparent about the financial situation the club is in due to years of reckless overspending. 2. Explain that the overriding priority is to get the club on an even financial keel and this will mean a period of austerity. 3. Acknowledge that development of the Mem will have to be put on the back burner. 4. Appoint an independent consultant to evaluate the best and most realistic options for the training ground. 5. Appoint an experienced CEO and CFO to run the business. 6. Appoint a PR agency to help the management and owners communicate professionally with stakeholders. Hi Swiss Nothing to do with your posts! Simply the way things have gone and how I now feel about the situation The club are at a crossroads and in a condition I never thought we would see ourselves in. Especially from a fans perspective when we have always been reasonably united as a fanbase even during the GD/NH era where fans were divided in opinion but not necessarily with each other! The exception being the core who were 'in the know' or fought to oust the likes of Mike Turl etc The investors need to cut costs but also need experienced help which will cost them. 1,2 & 3 above needing cutbacks will be countered by the cost of 4 5 & 6 above. And it will take a strong manager and a winning team to bring the fanbase together and that will take time! Regards Cheshire Chesh I think the cost of appointing an experienced CEO and CFO will be a tiny fraction of the savings which can be made whilst still leaving Rovers competitively financed. But it has to be explained to Gasheads why a period of austerity is necessary and what the long term benefits will be. The danger is that we blunder into more ill thought through capital projects which will eat up the cash and hasten the day when it runs out for good. An experienced CEO and CFO are the best people to manage the existing manager or bring in a new manager. The Al- Saeeds trying to run the business themselves is an accident waiting to happen. We already have some circumstantial evidence from what we’ve heard of the the JCH and Conteh transfer dealings that the inexperienced owners instinct is to haggle as one would in a bazaar which will completely undermine Friend and Taylor if that’s how they intend to operate. To run the business professionally Rovers need a CEO and CFO agreeing a budget with the owners and then sitting around a table with Friend and Taylor to discuss options and reach good decisions about how the money is to be allocated. George is inexperienced in identifying and recruiting players and managing a budget so he needs support which Abdullatif and Hussain aren’t qualified to give but an experienced CEO and CFO would be. In my view, if things continue as they are, there is a big danger George Friend will leave before he’s even got started. |
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Post by The Concept on Apr 30, 2024 16:15:00 GMT
On the subject of handing a spare season-ticket to someone else...
If someone from our little group was unable to attend, I'd try to see if anyone I knew was interested in coming. It's never been an easy sale! But on the odd occasion I'd taken a friend to a game it was always someone who wouldn't have gone otherwise - either a Rovers fan who only goes to the occasional match, or a neutral who would come along just to watch a game and for the social.
In these circumstances the club would benefit: someone might attend more often because of this, and although they've got in free the club gets more money than they would have otherwise through another programme sale, a pasty and maybe a pint or two from the bar.
Yet more shooting themselves in the foot.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2024 17:00:27 GMT
If I was in the Al-Saeeds position this is what I’d do now 1. Be completely transparent about the financial situation the club is in due to years of reckless overspending. 2. Explain that the overriding priority is to get the club on an even financial keel and this will mean a period of austerity. 3. Acknowledge that development of the Mem will have to be put on the back burner. 4. Appoint an independent consultant to evaluate the best and most realistic options for the training ground. 5. Appoint an experienced CEO and CFO to run the business. 6. Appoint a PR agency to help the management and owners communicate professionally with stakeholders. I'm not sure that's the way to sell season tickets! |
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Post by Cheshiregas on Apr 30, 2024 17:08:20 GMT
If I was in the Al-Saeeds position this is what I’d do now 1. Be completely transparent about the financial situation the club is in due to years of reckless overspending. 2. Explain that the overriding priority is to get the club on an even financial keel and this will mean a period of austerity. 3. Acknowledge that development of the Mem will have to be put on the back burner. 4. Appoint an independent consultant to evaluate the best and most realistic options for the training ground. 5. Appoint an experienced CEO and CFO to run the business. 6. Appoint a PR agency to help the management and owners communicate professionally with stakeholders. I'm not sure that's the way to sell season tickets! Apparently we aren't doing well with them so far, allegedly..... |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2024 17:37:01 GMT
I get the feeling that B*****'s appointment stopped lots going, and attracted lots of others to start. I wonder whether his sacking has not brought back the former, while removing the latter. It's just a thought.
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Post by swissgas on Apr 30, 2024 19:56:44 GMT
If I was in the Al-Saeeds position this is what I’d do now 1. Be completely transparent about the financial situation the club is in due to years of reckless overspending. 2. Explain that the overriding priority is to get the club on an even financial keel and this will mean a period of austerity. 3. Acknowledge that development of the Mem will have to be put on the back burner. 4. Appoint an independent consultant to evaluate the best and most realistic options for the training ground. 5. Appoint an experienced CEO and CFO to run the business. 6. Appoint a PR agency to help the management and owners communicate professionally with stakeholders. I'm not sure that's the way to sell season tickets! It's not sensible to try to tell fans what they want to hear ( East Stand, training ground, category 2 academy, promotion in 3 years etc) in an attempt to sell season tickets when the glaringly obvious priority for Rovers is to reduce costs to a realistic level and create a proper management structure which at the moment is non-existent. But it's totally crazy to fail in even getting their chosen message across effectively with the result that many fans have now lost faith in what they are saying and season ticket sales are actually reduced by 30%. I can only say it as I see it Shoveler  |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2024 20:22:45 GMT
And I thank you for so doing, in fact, sadly, I'm not sure I disagree so very much.
My point though, speaks to the idiocy of the model of football here now. Fans who buy tickets want promised success and growth. Owners who want fans to spend money are thereby tempted to promise this. It's a system that cannot reward frugality, nor temperance.
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Post by The Concept on Apr 30, 2024 20:26:40 GMT
I get the feeling that B*****'s appointment stopped lots going, and attracted lots of others to start. I wonder whether his sacking has not brought back the former, while removing the latter. It's just a thought. There's probably a lot of reasons for season ticket sales falling. I imagine there's a fair few who bought tickets for a stand that wasn't ready until January (and let's face it, was never going to be ready before the start of the season, and was only partially ready then), who ended up being messed around, being moved to different parts of the ground each game, having to get a different ticket each game, not knowing where they'd be until the last minute, sometimes getting refunds ... |
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Post by russiangas on Apr 30, 2024 20:30:49 GMT
I'm not sure that's the way to sell season tickets! It's not sensible to try to tell fans what they want to hear ( East Stand, training ground, category 2 academy, promotion in 3 years etc) in an attempt to sell season tickets when the glaringly obvious priority for Rovers is to reduce costs to a realistic level and create a proper management structure which at the moment is non-existent. But it's totally crazy to fail in even getting their chosen message across effectively with the result that many fans have now lost faith in what they are saying and season ticket sales are actually reduced by 30%. I can only say it as I see it Shoveler So do you think that the redevelopment won't happen any time soon then? The new owners seem to be contradicting themselves pretty badly, first saying "wait until next season" then implying the budget for players won't actually be that great. The problem with these foreign sugar daddy types is they have nothing emotionally invested in the club, no history. If they leave the club in ruins they can cut their losses and run off back to Kuwait and hide. Is this 3 years they keep mentioning their cut off point and if nothing achieved in that time that's the end for them? They don't actually have any experience or knowledge of running a football club let alone achieving success, and they don't really seem to have anyone that does to help them. What happened with WAQ? To start with he appointed all these so say experts with previous experience eg Hamer or whatever his name was and then they all seemed to disappear, but the new owners don't even want to bother with that. |
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Post by swissgas on Apr 30, 2024 21:15:29 GMT
It's not sensible to try to tell fans what they want to hear ( East Stand, training ground, category 2 academy, promotion in 3 years etc) in an attempt to sell season tickets when the glaringly obvious priority for Rovers is to reduce costs to a realistic level and create a proper management structure which at the moment is non-existent. But it's totally crazy to fail in even getting their chosen message across effectively with the result that many fans have now lost faith in what they are saying and season ticket sales are actually reduced by 30%. I can only say it as I see it Shoveler So do you think that the redevelopment won't happen any time soon then? The new owners seem to be contradicting themselves pretty badly, first saying "wait until next season" then implying the budget for players won't actually be that great. The problem with these foreign sugar daddy types is they have nothing emotionally invested in the club, no history. If they leave the club in ruins they can cut their losses and run off back to Kuwait and hide. Is this 3 years they keep mentioning their cut off point and if nothing achieved in that time that's the end for them? They don't actually have any experience or knowledge of running a football club let alone achieving success, and they don't really seem to have anyone that does to help them. What happened with WAQ? To start with he appointed all these so say experts with previous experience eg Hamer or whatever his name was and then they all seemed to disappear, but the new owners don't even want to bother with that. For a business which is making losses that are unsustainable and has been forced to resort to borrowing cash at high interest rates to fund it’s day to day running costs surely the priority is to conserve what cash you have and work towards making the business sustainable. There is no logic in putting precious cash ( especially borrowed cash) into increasing capacity when there is no demand for that capacity and there won’t be until the business is managed properly. Only when the business is managed properly with a good structure in place is there a chance of Rovers developing a successful football team which can compete in the top ten of League 1. When Wael appeared in 2016 with an experienced management team alongside him ( Hamer, Brookfield, Atkins) I was delighted because for many years I’d advocated that Rovers needed an injection of fresh blood after our well meaning Gashead owners hadn’t managed to propel us to the next level. But relatively soon it became clear that the club was purchased as a plaything for Wael and when it came to the crunch Wael’s wish for freedom to do whatever he liked trumped the original plan to run the club with professional management. It looks very much as though Hussain has taken on Rovers as a plaything for Abdullatif but unless he has the confidence to bring in professional management there will probably be the same outcome except that it will come much sooner. |
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Post by baselswh on May 1, 2024 5:56:37 GMT
This sums up how I feel sadly. Not a season ticket holder but I have very little enthusiasm for next season or even, sadly, any hope. Owners - have been sold a pup and will look to maximise income and cut costs. The sounds emanating from the club make it feel as if budget will be limited. Manager - MT comes across like a man whose own enthusiasm has waned and seems totally exasperated, whether that's with the players or the Board/management. Players - some triers like Thomas but overall come across as if they are going through the motions between pay days. Fans - totally divided. B***** fans who want him back and want rid of Taylor now [and have been since B***** went and MT's appointment]. Many who yearn for a past that we haven't seen for a very long time. The brief joy of DC's time with promotions and a team that was united and played for the shirt has disappeared. A lot who enjoyed the match day and the game and ignored the politics, have seen a team that at times doesn't seem bothered. Even Gas diehards seemingly disillusioned. This is perhaps the worst times I have seen, not because of the league position, but because the fans are divided, we have owners who are not interested in Bristol Rovers, the tradition, the history, the Ragbag Rovers, the Gas; but salvaging what little they can from a train wreck, financially and as a business. The heart has gone out of the team and the club. Next season may well be a crossroads in the future of the club as a whole and that is not something I say lightly. The worst is that there is very little any of us can do to change the course of the club. Perhaps that is why we no longer have any enthusiasm. Sorry you feel this way Chesh and even more so if my forum contributions add to your sense of despair. The desperate situation Rovers are in now was completely avoidable and unfortunately Gasheads didn’t use their voices to try to prevent Wael making the mistakes he did but instead they thought they were being loyal to the club by cheering him on. The new owners are on the verge of making another series of mistakes but because they don’t have the charm of Wael we find Gasheads are divided over whether to support them or not and this will likely lead to an even worse outcome. If I was in the Al- Saeeds position this is what I’d do now 1. Be completely transparent about the financial situation the club is in due to years of reckless overspending. 2. Explain that the overriding priority is to get the club on an even financial keel and this will mean a period of austerity. 3. Acknowledge that development of the Mem will have to be put on the back burner. 4. Appoint an independent consultant to evaluate the best and most realistic options for the training ground. 5. Appoint an experienced CEO and CFO to run the business. 6. Appoint a PR agency to help the management and owners communicate professionally with stakeholders. I agree the Board should be honest about the financial situation Swiss,even the likes of me strongly suspect we're short of a few bob. Honesty on this vital issue would be a uniting force. I think plenty of Gasheads are not sure about Al. Buying a FC for your spoilt son is not a great motivation from supporters point of view,but,if they do a good job we can be united. A good thing in a team sport. |
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Post by swissgas on May 1, 2024 13:55:30 GMT
Sorry you feel this way Chesh and even more so if my forum contributions add to your sense of despair. The desperate situation Rovers are in now was completely avoidable and unfortunately Gasheads didn’t use their voices to try to prevent Wael making the mistakes he did but instead they thought they were being loyal to the club by cheering him on. The new owners are on the verge of making another series of mistakes but because they don’t have the charm of Wael we find Gasheads are divided over whether to support them or not and this will likely lead to an even worse outcome. If I was in the Al- Saeeds position this is what I’d do now 1. Be completely transparent about the financial situation the club is in due to years of reckless overspending. 2. Explain that the overriding priority is to get the club on an even financial keel and this will mean a period of austerity. 3. Acknowledge that development of the Mem will have to be put on the back burner. 4. Appoint an independent consultant to evaluate the best and most realistic options for the training ground. 5. Appoint an experienced CEO and CFO to run the business. 6. Appoint a PR agency to help the management and owners communicate professionally with stakeholders. I agree the Board should be honest about the financial situation Swiss,even the likes of me strongly suspect we're are short of a few bob. Honesty on this vital issue would be a uniting force. I think plenty of Gasheads are not sure about Al. Buying a FC for your spoilt son is not a great motivation from supporters point of view,but,if they do a good job we can be united. A good thing in a team sport. I fondly remember the days when we debated your ideas of Rovers as a “ sports & social club” and my thoughts that the club needed to be run in a more businesslike way. The conclusion was that football is a unique business so a compromise between the two would be the best way forward. In his recent interview Hussain talked of how he was used to running a private business so found it unusual to have fans dissect what he was doing. It’s hard to believe that anyone could go into football club ownership without understanding that they were likely to come under intense scrutiny. But that’s apparently what happened with Nick Higgs and Wael as well and both took it so personally it spoiled the experience for them. We are still in the early days with the Al- Saeeds so there’s time to persuade them that the sports & social club / professional business would be a good model to pursue. And to make it work successfully, as well as maximize their enjoyment, they need to put a layer of management ( CEO, CFO) between themselves and the football operation and between themselves and the fans. |
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Post by eppinggas on May 2, 2024 6:48:35 GMT
So do you think that the redevelopment won't happen any time soon then? The new owners seem to be contradicting themselves pretty badly, first saying "wait until next season" then implying the budget for players won't actually be that great. The problem with these foreign sugar daddy types is they have nothing emotionally invested in the club, no history. If they leave the club in ruins they can cut their losses and run off back to Kuwait and hide. Is this 3 years they keep mentioning their cut off point and if nothing achieved in that time that's the end for them? They don't actually have any experience or knowledge of running a football club let alone achieving success, and they don't really seem to have anyone that does to help them. What happened with WAQ? To start with he appointed all these so say experts with previous experience eg Hamer or whatever his name was and then they all seemed to disappear, but the new owners don't even want to bother with that. For a business which is making losses that are unsustainable and has been forced to resort to borrowing cash at high interest rates to fund it’s day to day running costs surely the priority is to conserve what cash you have and work towards making the business sustainable. There is no logic in putting precious cash ( especially borrowed cash) into increasing capacity when there is no demand for that capacity and there won’t be until the business is managed properly. Only when the business is managed properly with a good structure in place is there a chance of Rovers developing a successful football team which can compete in the top ten of League 1. When Wael appeared in 2016 with an experienced management team alongside him ( Hamer, Brookfield, Atkins) I was delighted because for many years I’d advocated that Rovers needed an injection of fresh blood after our well meaning Gashead owners hadn’t managed to propel us to the next level. But relatively soon it became clear that the club was purchased as a plaything for Wael and when it came to the crunch Wael’s wish for freedom to do whatever he liked trumped the original plan to run the club with professional management. It looks very much as though Hussain has taken on Rovers as a plaything for Abdullatif but unless he has the confidence to bring in professional management there will probably be the same outcome except that it will come much sooner. It's the Rovers way of doing "sustainability", silly! Every few years find a new foreign owner with no experience of football as 'a business', let the owner use the Club as an expensive toy (it's like championship manager for the very wealthy)! and when they've run out of spare cash - find another mug punter to invest in a failing business languishing League 1 (or perhaps in League 2). It's foolproof! There's simply loads of mug punters out there. Until we run out of mug punters and it goes 'pop'. I fear. I fear Swiss has been right all along. Shakes head. |
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Post by bondigas on May 2, 2024 7:58:49 GMT
You get the feeling that Rovers are the right horse but for the past eight years they have had the wrong jockey riding it. But the jockey had a stake in the horse and kept convincing the majority owners he was the right jockey and they believed him,its cost a lot of money to keep that horse in training with only that jockey allowed to ride it without winning a race.
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