Brexit working?

You sound like the remainiacs on the radio this morning , I don’t normally listen but O’Brien & his latest rant about brexit & his fruitcake mates was to good to miss
Apparently according to one fruitcake the obesity epidemic in this country is because families can only afford to feed there kids biscuits because of brexit
Then we move onto the fruitcake who can only afford to
Eat egg sandwiches
She sounds like you , we’d starve without the eu , she’s going to die because she only eats egg sandwiches
We would not starve without the eu , and as a kid the highlight of the week was a fried egg sandwich with lashings of brown sauce , if me & mrs travel anywhere & use a traditional cafe I’ll always have a egg sandwich , egg sandwiches arnt going to kill you , and I know plenty of families with kids & none give there kids biscuits as a meal
So the fruitcakes ( plenty more on the show ) are over & a builder txts in , brexit has been good for him as cheap Labour from eu had driven down rates , he couldn’t get work as cheap Labour from eu was undercutting him , he was at the stage of shutting his business down , now he was doing well , getting work at a sensible rate , O’Brien put him in the idiots corner
Sums remainiacs up , always right ,and won’t accept anything other than grrrrrr brexit

I want to build an extension. It is good for me, creates a larger home on the same overall footprint of the property boundary. It's good for the economy as it expands economic activity, creates jobs and increases tax flows.

Now I cannot, the company cannot commit to a timescale of a start date within one year, quotes have risen by 30% because of labour rates and there is a shortage of labour in any event.

Net economic impact....0%

Well done

And btw, we should all be eating egg sandwiches 😋

You know the wrong people then , I’ve mates who are builders / joiners / electricians etc , they always charge me mates rates
Maybe come down from your liberal elite tower & become working class for a month or two, then you’ll get stuff done & have mates in the trade ,
Or instead of paying for it , do it yourself , that’s what us stupid people do , saves £££ ,

Right
Well I choose not to operate in the grey economy of cash payments and "mates" rates as a result. I pay my taxes, direct and indirect. Elsewhere you were extolling the virtues of the NHS, what pays for that, do you think?

Let's not try yet again to re-write the historical facts. During the Brexit campaign, the Tory Party (and government) were largely for Remain, and they still are. 

When you talk about getting someone in to build an extension, you are not really employing minimum wage workers though. I would hope you would employ skilled workmen.

You always seem to think that the Brexit vote was the result of people believing lies, the nasty Tory Party, people being stupid etc etc. You just don't seem to accept the fact that the majority just didn't want to be in the EU. Many many people like myself were anti-EU for many years. We had been denied any vote, voice or opinion as things like the Maastricht Treaty or the Lisbon Treaty as they were imposed on us. The Lisbon Treaty was originally the EU Constitution, but after France and Holland voted against it, it was given some minor mods and re-labelled as a 'Treaty', meaning governments could sign it without asking their electorate.  It is back-handed deals like this that turned me off the EU. If the EU Constitution was such a good thing, then put it to the people, win the argument, win the vote and then move forward with confidence that you have the backing of the majority. To slide off and create a backdoor that got it signed without the consent of the people smacked of cowardice. The Brexit vote was the result of the silent majority finally being given a voice, and they grasped the opportunity with both hands.

I totally get that. In fact your words there are, to me, an honest appraisal of the no vote. You are not pretending there was any economic gain, any sudden lifting of some overbearing laws or judicial oversight, you just didn't like the the EU as an institution. Perfectly reasonable and of course your right.

To be honest I always felt, still do, that there was / is a democratic defect inherent in the way the EU was structured. But I accepted that because of the economic gain, the social gain and because we, as a country, always challenged. Smaller EU members referred to this as a loss to them when we left.

So no, I am not itching to rejoin unless there is a huge majority pushing for that and I do not believe there is.

So it's done, we are well into the first decade since we left and the consequences are filtering through. As far as our economy goes it feels like driving a car with one of the brake discs stuck on one of the wheels. As far as social impact is concerned I see skill shortages, labour shortages and a very real narrowing of options on choices. I see absolutely no change in the way the UK is governed, in fact the clouds are darkening. The push to withdraw from the Human Rights Convention and from any oversight of the ECHR, is growing, especially as it dawn's on the loonies it wasn't the EU, but the ECHR they objected to. I am sure that many on here see all that as a good thing, blinded as they appear to be by headlines. I do not.
So there we have it.

In closing, I noticed the usual monotone ramblings of Trymer and Ltd (Basel, surely??) accusing me of "never worked" of being aloof, not understanding the "working class" and, most of all carrying on and on about Brexit.

Can I remind them and you Nobby, it's wasn't me who started this thread (and a comical post about a trade deal with Florida☺️) labelled "Brexit Working?"

That was you Nobby.

According to bloke on radio who has become a grandad since brexit his daughter can’t get a au pair to look after her children , women on panel got told not to smirk & it was a real problem for lots of parents .
When my girl was a toddler I worked nights , mrs worked days , I slept in day when little one did ,we looked after her between us .
I can’t say I know anyone who had a au pair to look after there kids when they were young , you got jobs to suits , grandparents etc
Shows how out of touch I am if parents use au pairs ( what’s the cost of one of them ? ) these days

The labour shortage is not just confined to the UK. They have the same problems in Germany, especially in the building and bar/catering sectors. This is the result of the Covid crisis. and not Brexit.