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Post by oldie on Dec 4, 2023 20:32:52 GMT
In another stunning plus for the geniuses behind Brexit and their rather idiotic supporters, we find out today
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The UK will contribute around €2.43 billion per year on average to the EU budget for its participation in Horizon Europe, and roughly €154 million for participation to Copernicus"
Ahhhh... The brave new world that was promised....not😂😂😂
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Post by Nobbygas on Dec 5, 2023 10:18:59 GMT
In another stunning plus for the geniuses behind Brexit and their rather idiotic supporters, we find out today " The UK will contribute around €2.43 billion per year on average to the EU budget for its participation in Horizon Europe, and roughly €154 million for participation to Copernicus" Ahhhh... The brave new world that was promised....not😂😂😂 Uh, yeah. What is your point? This is no different to when we were in the EU. You used to complain that we had been excluded from the Horizon project. Now you're complaining because we have re-joined it. The Horizon project is nothing to do with the EU, but it is a science project. It was the EU that politicized things by excluding the UK from Horizon following Brexit. The unintended consequence of that move was the realization that Horizon desperately needed the input from British scientists. It was a political decision to exclude the UK, but since then in the background, the scientific community have been badgering the EU to change things and allow the UK back in. So, in your esteemed opinion, should the UK be in or out of the Horizon Project? Are you aware of the budget for Horizon? Horizon Europe has a budget of EUR 95.5 billion for the period from 2021-2027. That's quite a lot of dosh. |
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Post by oldie on Dec 5, 2023 10:36:02 GMT
In another stunning plus for the geniuses behind Brexit and their rather idiotic supporters, we find out today " The UK will contribute around €2.43 billion per year on average to the EU budget for its participation in Horizon Europe, and roughly €154 million for participation to Copernicus" Ahhhh... The brave new world that was promised....not😂😂😂 Uh, yeah. What is your point? This is no different to when we were in the EU. You used to complain that we had been excluded from the Horizon project. Now you're complaining because we have re-joined it. The Horizon project is nothing to do with the EU, but it is a science project. It was the EU that politicized things by excluding the UK from Horizon following Brexit. AndThe unintended consequence of that move was the realization that Horizon desperately needed the input from British scientists. It was a political decision to exclude the UK, but since then in the background, the scientific community have been badgering the EU to change things and allow the UK back in. So, in your esteemed opinion, should the UK be in or out of the Horizon Project? Are you aware of the budget for Horizon? Horizon Europe has a budget of EUR 95.5 billion for the period from 2021-2027. That's quite a lot of dosh. I love this leaver logic "The Horizon project is nothing to do with the EU" And then "It was the EU that politicized things by excluding the UK from Horizon following Brexit." 😂😂😂 You really could not make this sh*t up Anyway, on top of this, after years of Tory Government www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/tom-bradburys-picture-of-britain-in-2023-is-a-thoroughly-depressing-watch-364436/Well done |
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Post by Nobbygas on Dec 5, 2023 13:24:46 GMT
Uh, yeah. What is your point? This is no different to when we were in the EU. You used to complain that we had been excluded from the Horizon project. Now you're complaining because we have re-joined it. The Horizon project is nothing to do with the EU, but it is a science project. It was the EU that politicized things by excluding the UK from Horizon following Brexit. AndThe unintended consequence of that move was the realization that Horizon desperately needed the input from British scientists. It was a political decision to exclude the UK, but since then in the background, the scientific community have been badgering the EU to change things and allow the UK back in. So, in your esteemed opinion, should the UK be in or out of the Horizon Project? Are you aware of the budget for Horizon? Horizon Europe has a budget of EUR 95.5 billion for the period from 2021-2027. That's quite a lot of dosh. I love this leaver logic "The Horizon project is nothing to do with the EU" And then "It was the EU that politicized things by excluding the UK from Horizon following Brexit." 😂😂😂 You really could not make this sh*t up Anyway, on top of this, after years of Tory Government www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/tom-bradburys-picture-of-britain-in-2023-is-a-thoroughly-depressing-watch-364436/Well done It is nothing to do with the EU in the political sense. I'm sure you understand that. You still didn't answer if you think the UK should be in or out of the Horizon Project. I only ask because you have criticized events when we were kicked out, and now you are critical because we are going back into it. Oh, and a report from a left-wing think-tank? C'mon, be serious. |
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Post by oldie on Dec 5, 2023 14:28:23 GMT
It is nothing to do with the EU in the political sense. I'm sure you understand that. You still didn't answer if you think the UK should be in or out of the Horizon Project. I only ask because you have criticized events when we were kicked out, and now you are critical because we are going back into it. Oh, and a report from a left-wing think-tank? C'mon, be serious. Of course we should be in it. From what I read most of the Academic, Research and Scientific community warned of the consequences of leaving. This whole process, the consequences of leaving, has been a farce. We have desperately been trying to make good since. To wit: "While acknowledging it makes sense to have an alternative programme lined up, the UK research establishment is still pushing for Horizon Europe association, and had been buoyed up by signs that the freeze would soon be over following the signing of the Windsor framework agreement and the meeting earlier this week between Donelan and EU research commissioner Mariya Gabriel" Allegedly the geniuses in Government had cobbled together an alternative called Pioneer. It was planned to spend £14.6billion on it. Just wow. But fortunately the UK Research Community told them to get a grip and rejoin Horizon. Next |
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Post by Nobbygas on Dec 5, 2023 17:28:44 GMT
It is nothing to do with the EU in the political sense. I'm sure you understand that. You still didn't answer if you think the UK should be in or out of the Horizon Project. I only ask because you have criticized events when we were kicked out, and now you are critical because we are going back into it. Oh, and a report from a left-wing think-tank? C'mon, be serious. Of course we should be in it. From what I read most of the Academic, Research and Scientific community warned of the consequences of leaving. This whole process, the consequences of leaving, has been a farce. We have desperately been trying to make good since. To wit: "While acknowledging it makes sense to have an alternative programme lined up, the UK research establishment is still pushing for Horizon Europe association, and had been buoyed up by signs that the freeze would soon be over following the signing of the Windsor framework agreement and the meeting earlier this week between Donelan and EU research commissioner Mariya Gabriel" Allegedly the geniuses in Government had cobbled together an alternative called Pioneer. It was planned to spend £14.6billion on it. Just wow. But fortunately the UK Research Community told them to get a grip and rejoin Horizon. Next Err, you do realise that it was the EU that kicked us out of Horizon! |
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Post by oldie on Dec 5, 2023 18:02:50 GMT
Of course we should be in it. From what I read most of the Academic, Research and Scientific community warned of the consequences of leaving. This whole process, the consequences of leaving, has been a farce. We have desperately been trying to make good since. To wit: "While acknowledging it makes sense to have an alternative programme lined up, the UK research establishment is still pushing for Horizon Europe association, and had been buoyed up by signs that the freeze would soon be over following the signing of the Windsor framework agreement and the meeting earlier this week between Donelan and EU research commissioner Mariya Gabriel" Allegedly the geniuses in Government had cobbled together an alternative called Pioneer. It was planned to spend £14.6billion on it. Just wow. But fortunately the UK Research Community told them to get a grip and rejoin Horizon. Next Err, you do realise that it was the EU that kicked us out of Horizon! God, the denial is unbelievable. Because we left the EU. Really...I think we should consider withdrawing voting rights for some. |
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Post by ltdgas on Dec 5, 2023 18:04:03 GMT
David lammy said on lbc that Labour would make brexit work , no rejoining s/m or c/ u etc , they had ideas & once in power would implement them , would not elaborate on there plans , just they would make brexit work
Hopefully all this will get sorted out before they wreck the economy!!
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Post by oldie on Dec 5, 2023 19:01:44 GMT
David lammy said on lbc that Labour would make brexit work , no rejoining s/m or c/ u etc , they had ideas & once in power would implement them , would not elaborate on there plans , just they would make brexit work Hopefully all this will get sorted out before they wreck the economy!! Other tired tropes are available... |
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Post by oldie on Dec 6, 2023 9:28:55 GMT
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Post by oldie on Dec 6, 2023 19:39:21 GMT
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Post by Nobbygas on Dec 8, 2023 9:56:04 GMT
JRM left the company in 2019......plus the situation that the company find themselves in has nothing whatsoever to do with Brexit. It's just more deflection nonsense from you.
Why do you attempt to blame everything on Brexit? Don't you think you are being immature by doing that?
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Post by oldie on Dec 8, 2023 10:09:52 GMT
JRM left the company in 2019......plus the situation that the company find themselves in has nothing whatsoever to do with Brexit. It's just more deflection nonsense from you. Why do you attempt to blame everything on Brexit? Don't you think you are being immature by doing that? Morning Nobby Deflecting from what. For the record and although he was no longer an executive, he had a vested interest in that fund. Don't you find just a little bit strange that this man, a champion for Brexit, was an executive of and investor into a fund which could not take advantage of all the sunny uplands that were promised by Brexiteers? Not even a tad ironic? Of course, personally, I find it hilarious. |
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Post by ltdgas on Dec 13, 2023 14:29:33 GMT
JRM left the company in 2019......plus the situation that the company find themselves in has nothing whatsoever to do with Brexit. It's just more deflection nonsense from you. Why do you attempt to blame everything on Brexit? Don't you think you are being immature by doing that? Morning Nobby Deflecting from what. For the record and although he was no longer an executive, he had a vested interest in that fund. Don't you find just a little bit strange that this man, a champion for Brexit, was an executive of and investor into a fund which could not take advantage of all the sunny uplands that were promised by Brexiteers? Not even a tad ironic? Of course, personally, I find it hilarious. You sound just like James O’Brien ( lbc ) oldie , every other sentence is brexit related , he’s even brought a book out , how they wrecked the country , I think it’s called Can’t move on , obsessed by brexit , or more like a sore looser , ring a bell !! , but it’s a bloody good laugh , listening to him & his nutty remain mates still going on about brexit 7 yrs later Though I guess it will take a long time to recover from the mauling Boris gave you lot at the last ge , yes thinking about it , the embarrassment of Bering mauled by Boris , Anyway hope you one day recover , and excuse me if I still have a wry grin every time I hear you / O’Brien’s bitter ranting !! |
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Post by ltdgas on Dec 13, 2023 15:03:27 GMT
Watching home office on select committee’s, dear me , they’ve not got a clue , bloke asking questions has his heads in his hands , apparently 2 weeks ago they were asked how many asylum seekers were missing in the system , 2 weeks later home office haven’t got a clue
Over 100,000 have arrived on small boats , 408 have been returned , think she said o.oo4 %
The goverment minister said he believes it’s going very well , and he’s well on top of te job ha ha ha
Lady on home affairs select Committee said your all a disaster, the least you could do is come prepared with the information you were asked for 2 weeks ago , your in goverment for gods sake !! You haven’t got a clue , poor bloke who was asking questions still has his head in his hands ha ha ha
Best comedy show I’ve seen in years
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Post by oldie on Dec 14, 2023 0:13:54 GMT
Morning Nobby Deflecting from what. For the record and although he was no longer an executive, he had a vested interest in that fund. Don't you find just a little bit strange that this man, a champion for Brexit, was an executive of and investor into a fund which could not take advantage of all the sunny uplands that were promised by Brexiteers? Not even a tad ironic? Of course, personally, I find it hilarious. You sound just like James O’Brien ( lbc ) oldie , every other sentence is brexit related , he’s even brought a book out , how they wrecked the country , I think it’s called Can’t move on , obsessed by brexit , or more like a sore looser , ring a bell !! , but it’s a bloody good laugh , listening to him & his nutty remain mates still going on about brexit 7 yrs later Though I guess it will take a long time to recover from the mauling Boris gave you lot at the last ge , yes thinking about it , the embarrassment of Bering mauled by Boris , Anyway hope you one day recover , and excuse me if I still have a wry grin every time I hear you / O’Brien’s bitter ranting !! Is there a translation anywhere of this? |
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Post by oldie on Dec 14, 2023 9:58:19 GMT
Since October this year, all meat and some dairy products moving from Great Britain to be sold in Northern Ireland — a part of the U.K. — have been required to carry “not for EU” labels. It's meant to ensure goods aren't moved onward into the Republic of Ireland, an EU member country. Industry fears UK’s interpretation of EU label rules will cost British firms hundreds of millions. The requirement will be applied to more U.K. food products from July 2025 — When Rishi Sunak signed his new Brexit deal in February, he boasted that it would deliver “smooth flowing trade within the whole United Kingdom.”
But just two months after the Windsor Framework came into effect, it's having huge unintended consequences for a key export sector, with hundreds of millions of pounds in trade now at risk.
Since October this year, all meat and some dairy products moving from Great Britain to be sold in Northern Ireland — a part of the U.K. — have been required to carry “not for EU” labels. It's meant to ensure goods aren't moved onward into the Republic of Ireland, an EU member country.From October 2024, all meat and dairy products sold right across the U.K. will also have to include the labels — even if there is no intention to ever send the products to Northern Ireland.
The requirement will be applied to more U.K. food products from July 2025. And it applies whether the food is produced in the U.K. or imported.
Businesses say the plans for a U.K.-wide rollout go way beyond Brussels’ requirements as set out in the Windsor Framework — and, crucially, could see EU exports plummet because of the costs and inefficiency of doing separate production runs for British and European markets.
Sean Ramsden, director of the Food and Drink Exporters Association and the CEO of food export business Ramsden International, described the new system as “absolutely cataclysmic for food exporters.”
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Post by Nobbygas on Dec 14, 2023 11:52:07 GMT
Surely this must be fake news according to Oldie. He says exports are plummeting !
"Trade Secretary Kemi Badenoch has said the Government’s “export success stories” are allowing Brexit Britain’s trade to boom.
Official figures have revealed an eight per cent hike in overseas trading with sales hitting £868 billion in a year.
The records released by the Office for National Statistics (ONS) show the yearly increase at £62 billion though once it is adjusted for inflation and excluding precious metals if falls to £14 billion.
UK services exports are at record levels and up more than six per cent, adjusted for inflation, in the year to October 2023, according to the ONS.
Tory MPs said the figures are the latest boost to Brexit Britain despite dire warnings from critics about the impact of exiting the EU.
Former international trade secretary Dr Liam Fox said: “Great news for British businesses and jobs, terrible news for those who predicted our trade would collapse after Brexit.”
Ex-business secretary Sir Jacob Rees-Mogg added: “Brexit encourages us to look beyond the narrow European sphere and this growth in exports will get a further boost from our new free trade deals.”
Conservative MP Marco Longhi, who is the trade envoy to Brazil, said: “Increasing our exports means more jobs and more secure jobs.
“An increase of £62 billion is huge and it underlines the importance of Brexit which is now delivering for the country.
“In Brazil alone, where I am trade envoy, we have increased export by about a third - this would not have been possible if still shackled to the EU.
“Global Britain is working, and our export data proves it resoundingly.”
It comes as Britain has signed trade agreements with more than 70 countries since leaving the EU.
Earlier this year, the UK joined the Comprehensive and Progressive Trans-Pacific Partnership (CPTPP) in the biggest post-Brexit deal to date.
Britain became the first new member of the Indo-Pacific trade bloc since it was formed and the only European nation to be part of the club, which gives access to some of the fastest-growing markets in the world.
Meanwhile, the first agreements negotiated from scratch with Australia and New Zealand came into force in May marking a major milestone.
And the UK last month signed a trade deal with Florida, bringing the total number with US states to seven.
There are also more deals on the horizon with a bumper pact with India expected imminently.
The UK fired the starting gun on talks for a new trade agreement with South Korea in November, while there will be negotiations with Turkey on an updated tie-up.
A landmark report by the Institute for Economic Affairs think tank last month found both goods and services exports rose after Brexit.
In other Brexit wins, Japanese car giant Nissan in November announced it is investing £2 billion in its Sunderland plan.
It came months after Jaguar Land Rover-owner Tata confirmed plans in July to invest £4 billion in a new UK gigafactory in Somerset.
Meanwhile, Britain has leapfrogged France to become the world’s eighth-biggest manufacturer.
And the UK unveiled £29.5 billion of foreign investment at the Global Investment Summit at Hampton Court Palace in November.
Marco Forgione, director general of the Institute of Export and International Trade, said it is “clear there is a real appetite in overseas markets for UK goods, products and services”.
He said: “It is encouraging to see that UK exports have witnessed strong year-on-year growth.
“All the evidence shows that firms who trade internationally grow faster, hire more people and are more resilient – which is good news for them and for the wider economy.
“The strong growth in UK services exports is especially important as they make up per cent of our economy and account for half of our global exports. The UK ranks second globally for services exports, and first in Europe.
“Our recent report shows that there are tremendous opportunities to increase services exports across all the UK’s regions even further next year.
“It has certainly been a year of trade highlights, with milestones such as CPTPP and deals with the likes of Australia and New Zealand opening up exciting new opportunities.
“Looking ahead to 2024, to really turbo boost the UK economy we need more Micro, Small and Medium Enterprises (MSMEs) reaping the incredible benefits of international trade, by providing them with the support and tools to start their export journeys.”
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Post by oldie on Dec 14, 2023 20:27:16 GMT
It's a bit like a re run of the Muppet Show, isn't it.
Fortunately we have the ONS to tell what's going on
"1.Main points
The value of goods imports increased by £3.6 billion (8.2%) in October 2023, with rises in imports from both EU and non-EU countries.
The rise in imports was mainly the result of greater imports of machinery and transport equipment from both EU and non-EU countries.
The value of goods exports increased by £0.4 billion (1.2%) because of increased exports to non-EU countries, while exports to the EU decreased.
The total trade in goods and services deficit narrowed by £2.3 billion to £9.2 billion in the three months to October 2023, the result of a substantial fall in goods imports.
The trade in goods deficit narrowed by £2.1 billion to £47.3 billion in the three months to October 2023, while the trade in services surplus widened by £0.2 billion to £38.1 billion."
Note the EU figures.
All this before the Tory trade deal and it's impacts kick in over the next 18 months.
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