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Post by oldie on Nov 23, 2023 16:21:43 GMT
Incorrect analysis...again. The point is...one of the key planks of the Leave campaign was so called "control of our borders". That's why all the racists voted to leave (not saying all leave voters were racist) As these figures show, that's another abject failure The failure is down to the politicians, not Brexit. Incorrect analysis? Are you even aware what is happening across Europe? But but, Leave Campaign said we would have control... |
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Post by Nobbygas on Nov 23, 2023 18:44:14 GMT
Get real Oldie. Every government in Europe will do what ever it can to help big business stay. Germany does not supply state subsidies to the large car manufacturers. It's an internal tax issue in the same way that countries within Europe can set their own Corporation Tax Rate. So You are saying that member states can set their own fiscal policies as members of the EU? Remind me again, what was the point of leaving? Some can, some can't, as you well know, so why do you keep up with your black & white view of things? Nobody has ever stated that the EU controlled the fiscal policies of EU countries......apart from Greece, Italy and Ireland, who all have to have their fiscal policies approved by Brussels. Your argument was never part of the Brexit debate, so why are you making it up? |
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Post by oldie on Nov 23, 2023 19:07:07 GMT
So You are saying that member states can set their own fiscal policies as members of the EU? Remind me again, what was the point of leaving? Some can, some can't, as you well know, so why do you keep up with your black & white view of things? Nobody has ever stated that the EU controlled the fiscal policies of EU countries......apart from Greece, Italy and Ireland, who all have to have their fiscal policies approved by Brussels. Your argument was never part of the Brexit debate, so why are you making it up? Do you ever answer a straightforward question? What was the point of leaving? |
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Post by Nobbygas on Nov 23, 2023 19:52:35 GMT
Some can, some can't, as you well know, so why do you keep up with your black & white view of things? Nobody has ever stated that the EU controlled the fiscal policies of EU countries......apart from Greece, Italy and Ireland, who all have to have their fiscal policies approved by Brussels. Your argument was never part of the Brexit debate, so why are you making it up? Do you ever answer a straightforward question? What was the point of leaving? I just did. You asked the question in regard to fiscal policies, and I answered it (see above). |
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Post by oldie on Nov 23, 2023 20:59:27 GMT
Do you ever answer a straightforward question? What was the point of leaving? I just did. You asked the question in regard to fiscal policies, and I answered it (see above). Remind me again, what was the point of leaving? |
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Post by Nobbygas on Nov 24, 2023 0:07:39 GMT
I just did. You asked the question in regard to fiscal policies, and I answered it (see above). Remind me again, what was the point of leaving? To leave, that was the point, and it's something that you just can't get your head around. |
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Post by oldie on Nov 24, 2023 6:47:11 GMT
Remind me again, what was the point of leaving? To leave, that was the point, and it's something that you just can't get your head around. 😂😂😂 |
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Post by oldie on Nov 25, 2023 12:06:59 GMT
Wait
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A new study – issued by the University of Bath’s School of Management – has caused an almighty storm this week. It was concluded that, on average, Brexit voters have ‘lower cognitive abilities’ than those who supported the Remain campaign during the 2016 referendum"
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Post by Nobbygas on Nov 25, 2023 15:28:42 GMT
Wait 😂😂😂😂 A new study – issued by the University of Bath’s School of Management – has caused an almighty storm this week. It was concluded that, on average, Brexit voters have ‘lower cognitive abilities’ than those who supported the Remain campaign during the 2016 referendum" What is quite sad is that there are many out there that will believe this nonsense. |
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Post by oldie on Nov 25, 2023 18:15:13 GMT
Wait 😂😂😂😂 A new study – issued by the University of Bath’s School of Management – has caused an almighty storm this week. It was concluded that, on average, Brexit voters have ‘lower cognitive abilities’ than those who supported the Remain campaign during the 2016 referendum" What is quite sad is that there are many out there that will believe this nonsense. Brexit? Yeah I know, how could anyone have believed that nonsense. Unbelievable some people. Do you think a lack of cognitive reasoning capacity was what drove people to believe the Fairy Stories? |
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Post by oldie on Nov 25, 2023 20:42:14 GMT
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Post by oldie on Nov 27, 2023 11:28:59 GMT
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Post by Nobbygas on Nov 28, 2023 3:05:55 GMT
What is quite sad is that there are many out there that will believe this nonsense. Brexit? Yeah I know, how could anyone have believed that nonsense. Unbelievable some people. Do you think a lack of cognitive reasoning capacity was what drove people to believe the Fairy Stories? Dear oh dear, you really are getting desparate. |
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Post by oldie on Nov 29, 2023 7:20:01 GMT
Damming editorial from The Telegraph www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2023/11/29/brexit-betrayal-complete-surging-migration-economic-burden/This "For 25 years prior to Brexit, Britain enjoyed some of the smartest immigration you could hope for – trained and educated in Europe but paying taxes in the UK." One of the charges made against free movement under single market rules was that it suppressed wages. Well guess what? "You can be paid between 70% and 90% of the usual going rate for your job if your salary is at least £20,960 per year and you meet one of the following criteria:" So now it's legal to pay immigrants between 20-30% LESS than the going rate for a job. This was illegal under EU rules. Good innit |
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Post by Nobbygas on Nov 29, 2023 9:21:34 GMT
Damming editorial from The Telegraph www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2023/11/29/brexit-betrayal-complete-surging-migration-economic-burden/This "For 25 years prior to Brexit, Britain enjoyed some of the smartest immigration you could hope for – trained and educated in Europe but paying taxes in the UK." One of the charges made against free movement under single market rules was that it suppressed wages. Well guess what? "You can be paid between 70% and 90% of the usual going rate for your job if your salary is at least £20,960 per year and you meet one of the following criteria:" So now it's legal to pay immigrants between 20-30% LESS than the going rate for a job. This was illegal under EU rules. Good innit Nonsense. What is the "going rate" of any job? There is no official list of any "going rates" for any job. |
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Post by oldie on Nov 29, 2023 14:15:01 GMT
Damming editorial from The Telegraph www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2023/11/29/brexit-betrayal-complete-surging-migration-economic-burden/This "For 25 years prior to Brexit, Britain enjoyed some of the smartest immigration you could hope for – trained and educated in Europe but paying taxes in the UK." One of the charges made against free movement under single market rules was that it suppressed wages. Well guess what? "You can be paid between 70% and 90% of the usual going rate for your job if your salary is at least £20,960 per year and you meet one of the following criteria:" So now it's legal to pay immigrants between 20-30% LESS than the going rate for a job. This was illegal under EU rules. Good innit Nonsense. What is the "going rate" of any job? There is no official list of any "going rates" for any job. Incorrect as always. It's the minimum defined in the immigration Act. Having set a minimum they then inserted a clause for key areas that allows employers to pay upto 30% less than the average for the job within those areas. It's on the Statute Book Nobby. So, here we are at the end of 2023 and what have we got? 1. Trade deals that at best replicated what we already had. Or, are worth about 2p a year. 2. Record immigration and from areas where the educational attainment or commercial training is not to the same standard as within the EU. 4. Static business investment 5. UK citizens no longer to move and live freely (without a high degree of bureaucracy) in the EU 6. A bunch of charlatans and incompetents foist upon us by leave voters. I nearly crashed the car laughing when a Home Office official was asked what happened to/where are the over 17,000 applications that they decided to not follow up. The answer? "I don't Know" Yes, really, I don't know. |
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Post by Nobbygas on Nov 29, 2023 15:09:21 GMT
Nonsense. What is the "going rate" of any job? There is no official list of any "going rates" for any job. Incorrect as always. It's the minimum defined in the immigration Act. Having set a minimum they then inserted a clause for key areas that allows employers to pay upto 30% less than the average for the job within those areas. It's on the Statute Book Nobby. So, here we are at the end of 2023 and what have we got? 1. Trade deals that at best replicated what we already had. Or, are worth about 2p a year. 2. Record immigration and from areas where the educational attainment or commercial training is not to the same standard as within the EU. 4. Static business investment 5. UK citizens no longer to move and live freely (without a high degree of bureaucracy) in the EU 6. A bunch of charlatans and incompetents foist upon us by leave voters. I nearly crashed the car laughing when a Home Office official was asked what happened to/where are the over 17,000 applications that they decided to not follow up. The answer? "I don't Know" Yes, really, I don't know. We now have more trade deals than we ever had when we were in the EU. Are you seriously suggesting they are worthless? Record immigration yes. However this is something you support despite the strain it puts on the NHS, Housing, Jobs etc. The numbers are unsustainable though. Business investment is very good, with just over 50 billion announced last week. Where do you get this idea from? UK citizens are free to move and work within the EU. I myself live in the UK, yet work in Germany. I am there at the moment. Next week I will be back in the UK. There is no bureaucracy involved. You should try it, it's very easy. This one really is an internet myth. Can't deny point six. Not sure how the Tories have managed to screw an 80 seat majority so badly, but Labour will form the next government but they don't offer anything. They will only win because the Tories have been so bad. If anyone thinks Labour will do any better they are deluded. Home Office official? It's pretty obvious to any sane person that the Civil Service is not fit for purpose. No matter who you vote in, the broken Civil Service will still be incompetent. |
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Post by Nobbygas on Nov 30, 2023 6:35:04 GMT
"I nearly crashed the car laughing when a Home Office official was asked what happened to/where are the over 17,000 applications that they decided to not follow up.
The answer?
"I don't Know"
Yes, really, I don't know."
You forgot to add the context to this. The question was actually asked by a Tory MP and it wasn't just a "Home Office Official" as such, it was the two most top ranking Civil Servants in the Home Office, who were also backed up by a battery of their staff sat behind them !
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Post by oldie on Nov 30, 2023 7:19:34 GMT
"I nearly crashed the car laughing when a Home Office official was asked what happened to/where are the over 17,000 applications that they decided to not follow up. The answer? "I don't Know" Yes, really, I don't know." You forgot to add the context to this. The question was actually asked by a Tory MP and it wasn't just a "Home Office Official" as such, it was the two most top ranking Civil Servants in the Home Office, who were also backed up by a battery of their staff sat behind them ! And? Which part of this fiasco was not under the remit of the Home Secretary? |
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Post by Nobbygas on Nov 30, 2023 9:13:11 GMT
"I nearly crashed the car laughing when a Home Office official was asked what happened to/where are the over 17,000 applications that they decided to not follow up. The answer? "I don't Know" Yes, really, I don't know." You forgot to add the context to this. The question was actually asked by a Tory MP and it wasn't just a "Home Office Official" as such, it was the two most top ranking Civil Servants in the Home Office, who were also backed up by a battery of their staff sat behind them ! And? Which part of this fiasco was not under the remit of the Home Secretary? Be serious. Home Sec's come and go. This fiasco has been going on for years under the remit of the Civil Service ! |
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