"Illiberal democracy" in Poland reversed.

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"Illiberal democracy" in Poland reversed. Oct 15, 2023 20:54:56 GMT

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Post by darloGAS on Oct 15, 2023 20:54:56 GMT

Donald Tusk accomplishes his mission impossible and together with two other democratic opposition parties, secures a safe majority of 248 MPs according to first exit polls.

A good day for Europe.

Long live #Democracy

How often have I lain beneath rain on a strange roof, thinking of home.

oldie

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"Illiberal democracy" in Poland reversed. Oct 16, 2023 5:52:07 GMT via mobile

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Post by oldie on Oct 16, 2023 5:52:07 GMT

Oct 15, 2023 20:54:56 GMT darloGAS said:

Donald Tusk accomplishes his mission impossible and together with two other democratic opposition parties, secures a safe majority of 248 MPs according to first exit polls.

A good day for Europe.

Long live #Democracy

Good news indeed. The first sign of a push back against the populist and largely nationalist groups? Let's hope so.

ltdgas Joined: June 2014 Posts: 346	"Illiberal democracy" in Poland reversed. Dec 29, 2023 19:29:23 GMT via mobile Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by ltdgas on Dec 29, 2023 19:29:23 GMT According to the poles I work with this is all about the £££££ they get from the Eu , not there love for the eu / tusk , they’d do a polexit if it wasn’t for those £££££££

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"Illiberal democracy" in Poland reversed. Jan 2, 2024 11:17:19 GMT

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Post by Nobbygas on Jan 2, 2024 11:17:19 GMT

and the first thing that Tusk and his EU backers have done is to close down the State media in Poland......Isn't democracy wonderful?

"Parliament in Warsaw backed a resolution on Tuesday night calling for independence, objectivity and pluralism in public TV and radio.
The new culture minister has sacked the heads of TVP, Polish Radio and the Polish Press Agency.
Former Prime Minister Mateusz Morawiecki accused the new government of violating its "supposed care for the rule of law... at every step"."

Polish state media closed down.

Love a lot, trust a few, and always paddle your own canoe.

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"Illiberal democracy" in Poland reversed. Jan 2, 2024 13:17:16 GMT via mobile

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Post by oldie on Jan 2, 2024 13:17:16 GMT

Jan 2, 2024 11:17:19 GMT Nobbygas said:

and the first thing that Tusk and his EU backers have done is to close down the State media in Poland......Isn't democracy wonderful?

"Parliament in Warsaw backed a resolution on Tuesday night calling for independence, objectivity and pluralism in public TV and radio.
The new culture minister has sacked the heads of TVP, Polish Radio and the Polish Press Agency.
Former Prime Minister Mateusz Morawiecki accused the new government of violating its "supposed care for the rule of law... at every step"."

Polish state media closed down.

And then the reality

"State media is an important tool in Poland. About a third of people rely solely on it for their news, having no access to private broadcasters."

"In recent years, TVP's main evening news broadcasts, and TVP Info, became a propaganda machine for the PiS government, and the new coalition, led by pro-EU Prime Minister Donald Tusk, had promised voters to turn state media into a platform for "reliable information".

So, the opposite of what you suggest Nobby.

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"Illiberal democracy" in Poland reversed. Jan 2, 2024 23:05:22 GMT

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Post by Nobbygas on Jan 2, 2024 23:05:22 GMT

Jan 2, 2024 13:17:16 GMT oldie said:

Jan 2, 2024 11:17:19 GMT Nobbygas said:

and the first thing that Tusk and his EU backers have done is to close down the State media in Poland......Isn't democracy wonderful?

"Parliament in Warsaw backed a resolution on Tuesday night calling for independence, objectivity and pluralism in public TV and radio.
The new culture minister has sacked the heads of TVP, Polish Radio and the Polish Press Agency.
Former Prime Minister Mateusz Morawiecki accused the new government of violating its "supposed care for the rule of law... at every step"."

Polish state media closed down.

And then the reality

"State media is an important tool in Poland. About a third of people rely solely on it for their news, having no access to private broadcasters."

"In recent years, TVP's main evening news broadcasts, and TVP Info, became a propaganda machine for the PiS government, and the new coalition, led by pro-EU Prime Minister Donald Tusk, had promised voters to turn state media into a platform for "reliable information".

So, the opposite of what you suggest Nobby.

Is it? Or is it the government shutting down any opposition or reporting? Sounds like the government only want their views to be reported/broadcast. So, the new Polish government will decide what is 'reliable information', and you're happy with that?

Love a lot, trust a few, and always paddle your own canoe.

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"Illiberal democracy" in Poland reversed. Jan 3, 2024 0:12:45 GMT via mobile

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Post by oldie on Jan 3, 2024 0:12:45 GMT

Jan 2, 2024 23:05:22 GMT Nobbygas said:

Jan 2, 2024 13:17:16 GMT oldie said:

And then the reality

"State media is an important tool in Poland. About a third of people rely solely on it for their news, having no access to private broadcasters."

"In recent years, TVP's main evening news broadcasts, and TVP Info, became a propaganda machine for the PiS government, and the new coalition, led by pro-EU Prime Minister Donald Tusk, had promised voters to turn state media into a platform for "reliable information".

So, the opposite of what you suggest Nobby.

Is it? Or is it the government shutting down any opposition or reporting? Sounds like the government only want their views to be reported/broadcast. So, the new Polish government will decide what is 'reliable information', and you're happy with that?

I am happy that the incoming government there put it to the people that they were going to do it and were voted in.
The BBC mentions that the station had turned into a propaganda outlet for the previous government, which is exactly what you fear.

Let's see what the new government does with it.

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"Illiberal democracy" in Poland reversed. Jan 3, 2024 10:45:13 GMT

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Post by Nobbygas on Jan 3, 2024 10:45:13 GMT

Jan 3, 2024 0:12:45 GMT oldie said:

Jan 2, 2024 23:05:22 GMT Nobbygas said:

Is it? Or is it the government shutting down any opposition or reporting? Sounds like the government only want their views to be reported/broadcast. So, the new Polish government will decide what is 'reliable information', and you're happy with that?

I am happy that the incoming government there put it to the people that they were going to do it and were voted in.
The BBC mentions that the station had turned into a propaganda outlet for the previous government, which is exactly what you fear.

Let's see what the new government does with it.

So now it will become a propaganda outlet for the new government. Wow, and you're happy with this in an EU country?

Love a lot, trust a few, and always paddle your own canoe.

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"Illiberal democracy" in Poland reversed. Jan 3, 2024 18:21:35 GMT via mobile

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Post by oldie on Jan 3, 2024 18:21:35 GMT

Jan 3, 2024 10:45:13 GMT Nobbygas said:

Jan 3, 2024 0:12:45 GMT oldie said:

I am happy that the incoming government there put it to the people that they were going to do it and were voted in.
The BBC mentions that the station had turned into a propaganda outlet for the previous government, which is exactly what you fear.

Let's see what the new government does with it.

So now it will become a propaganda outlet for the new government. Wow, and you're happy with this in an EU country?

Like I said, we shall see. The previous nationalist government absolutely turned this media outlet into a propaganda outlet for their own purposes and the new government, voted in on a democratic vote with a manifesto which included reform of this media outlet. This they have done. We will have to wait and see how this pans out. You, on the other hand, are accusing them of something they have not done. At least, not yet. Let's see what happens.

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"Illiberal democracy" in Poland reversed. Jan 5, 2024 12:11:33 GMT via mobile

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Post by ltdgas on Jan 5, 2024 12:11:33 GMT

Poland will not accept a single migrant under eu relocation scheme , says tusk
Polands prime minister , Donald tusk has declared that his goverment would refuse to accept any relocated seekers under the eu,s proposed new migration pact , he added that he is opposed in general to the introduction of such a system
The position of the polish goverment is that we will not accept any forced mechanism ( to relocate asylum seekers ) and I want to assure you that Poland will not accept illegal migrants under any such mechanism said tusk on Wednesday
We will not accept a single migrant he added , Poland will never be part of such a mechanism
Bloody nationalist, populist goverments !!

ltdgas Joined: June 2014 Posts: 346	"Illiberal democracy" in Poland reversed. Jan 30, 2024 6:23:47 GMT via mobile Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by ltdgas on Jan 30, 2024 6:23:47 GMT Poland records the 2nd highest rise in houses prices in eu , 9.8 % , yep tusk running the country is really going well for the polish people who want to buy a house

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"Illiberal democracy" in Poland reversed. Feb 15, 2024 10:27:13 GMT via mobile

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Polish president criticised by DR Congo over cooperation with Rwanda
FEB 15, 2024 | BUSINESS, POLITICS

The Democratic Republic of Congo (DRC) has criticised Poland over its support for Rwanda expressed by Polish President Andrzej Duda during his recent trip to the African country.
The DRC ministry called Poland’s actions “two-faced” and argued that the recent visit is proof that Poland has allied itself with Rwanda despite previously supporting the DRC at the United Nations assembly in condemning Rwanda for its support for rebels fighting in parts of DRC.
Criticism of Poland’s president has come among anti-Western protests that have continued in DRC’s capital since last week. According to the Vatican news agency Fides, protesters targeted the diplomatic missions of the United States, Britain, France, and, after Duda visited Rwanda, Poland.

Last week, during his visit to Rwanda’s capital, Duda held talks with Rwanda’s President Paul Kagame over strengthening economic relations, the global impact of the Russian aggression against Ukraine, and cooperation in defence and education.
“If Rwanda is ever in danger, we will also support it,” said Duda and expressed the hope of developing defence industry cooperation between the two countries in the future.
“Poland is looking for reliable partners in African countries that share common values. We do not doubt that we find understanding and friends in Rwanda in this respect,” stressed Duda.
According to the Polish president’s official website, Duda’s trip to East Africa – where, alongside Rwanda, he visited Kenya and Tanzania – had two main goals: promoting Poland and Polish business and providing information on the situation in Europe related to the Russian aggression against Ukraine.

However, Duda’s words were met with strong opposition from the foreign ministry of the Democratic Republic of Congo – a neighbouring country that remains in conflict with Rwanda.
In a note verbale shared by the Congolese Press Agency, the ministry protested “against the two-faced attitude of Poland”.
“The DRC reserves the right to draw the full consequences of this deliberate and indelicate behaviour by the Polish government,” read the note.
The DRC and Rwanda have been in conflict, whose roots date back to the 1990s. Rwanda has been accused by the DRC and the UN of supporting the rebel group M23 and profiting from coltan – a key raw material in mobile phone production – extracted in the conflict area.

“The situation in the eastern part of the Democratic Republic of Congo is critical. The United Nations has confirmed that Rwanda is supporting the M23 rebels. But the Polish President Duda has declared his full support for…Rwanda,” wrote Belgian MEP Marc Botenga on X.
The protesters that took to the streets of DRC’s capital, Kinshasa, last week accused the governments of the United States, Belgium and other Western powers of failing to react to the conflict in the region.
According to footage posted on social media, some protesters burnt the flags of these countries and targeted some Western diplomatic missions. One video released by the Africanews portal shows a young man holding a banner reading “Poland get out of the DRC” (Pologne degage en D.R.C).

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😂😂😂😂😂😂Rwanda , and we had oldie telling us how great it was tusk was now in charge 😂😂😂w
What a week , I’m going for a lie down , my ribs are at breaking point

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"Illiberal democracy" in Poland reversed. Feb 15, 2024 12:37:42 GMT via mobile

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Post by oldie on Feb 15, 2024 12:37:42 GMT

Feb 15, 2024 10:27:13 GMT ltdgas said:

Polish president criticised by DR Congo over cooperation with Rwanda
FEB 15, 2024 | BUSINESS, POLITICS

The Democratic Republic of Congo (DRC) has criticised Poland over its support for Rwanda expressed by Polish President Andrzej Duda during his recent trip to the African country.
The DRC ministry called Poland’s actions “two-faced” and argued that the recent visit is proof that Poland has allied itself with Rwanda despite previously supporting the DRC at the United Nations assembly in condemning Rwanda for its support for rebels fighting in parts of DRC.
Criticism of Poland’s president has come among anti-Western protests that have continued in DRC’s capital since last week. According to the Vatican news agency Fides, protesters targeted the diplomatic missions of the United States, Britain, France, and, after Duda visited Rwanda, Poland.

Last week, during his visit to Rwanda’s capital, Duda held talks with Rwanda’s President Paul Kagame over strengthening economic relations, the global impact of the Russian aggression against Ukraine, and cooperation in defence and education.
“If Rwanda is ever in danger, we will also support it,” said Duda and expressed the hope of developing defence industry cooperation between the two countries in the future.
“Poland is looking for reliable partners in African countries that share common values. We do not doubt that we find understanding and friends in Rwanda in this respect,” stressed Duda.
According to the Polish president’s official website, Duda’s trip to East Africa – where, alongside Rwanda, he visited Kenya and Tanzania – had two main goals: promoting Poland and Polish business and providing information on the situation in Europe related to the Russian aggression against Ukraine.

However, Duda’s words were met with strong opposition from the foreign ministry of the Democratic Republic of Congo – a neighbouring country that remains in conflict with Rwanda.
In a note verbale shared by the Congolese Press Agency, the ministry protested “against the two-faced attitude of Poland”.
“The DRC reserves the right to draw the full consequences of this deliberate and indelicate behaviour by the Polish government,” read the note.
The DRC and Rwanda have been in conflict, whose roots date back to the 1990s. Rwanda has been accused by the DRC and the UN of supporting the rebel group M23 and profiting from coltan – a key raw material in mobile phone production – extracted in the conflict area.

“The situation in the eastern part of the Democratic Republic of Congo is critical. The United Nations has confirmed that Rwanda is supporting the M23 rebels. But the Polish President Duda has declared his full support for…Rwanda,” wrote Belgian MEP Marc Botenga on X.
The protesters that took to the streets of DRC’s capital, Kinshasa, last week accused the governments of the United States, Belgium and other Western powers of failing to react to the conflict in the region.
According to footage posted on social media, some protesters burnt the flags of these countries and targeted some Western diplomatic missions. One video released by the Africanews portal shows a young man holding a banner reading “Poland get out of the DRC” (Pologne degage en D.R.C).

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😂😂😂😂😂😂Rwanda , and we had oldie telling us how great it was tusk was now in charge 😂😂😂w
What a week , I’m going for a lie down , my ribs are at breaking point

Sadly your posts have gone from illiterate to incomprehensible.
If you would like to state the point you are trying, desperately it seems, to make, then state it. Rather than posting up copy and paste word salads

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"Illiberal democracy" in Poland reversed. Feb 15, 2024 18:34:41 GMT via mobile

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Post by ltdgas on Feb 15, 2024 18:34:41 GMT

Feb 15, 2024 12:37:42 GMT oldie said:

Feb 15, 2024 10:27:13 GMT ltdgas said:

Polish president criticised by DR Congo over cooperation with Rwanda
FEB 15, 2024 | BUSINESS, POLITICS

The Democratic Republic of Congo (DRC) has criticised Poland over its support for Rwanda expressed by Polish President Andrzej Duda during his recent trip to the African country.
The DRC ministry called Poland’s actions “two-faced” and argued that the recent visit is proof that Poland has allied itself with Rwanda despite previously supporting the DRC at the United Nations assembly in condemning Rwanda for its support for rebels fighting in parts of DRC.
Criticism of Poland’s president has come among anti-Western protests that have continued in DRC’s capital since last week. According to the Vatican news agency Fides, protesters targeted the diplomatic missions of the United States, Britain, France, and, after Duda visited Rwanda, Poland.

Last week, during his visit to Rwanda’s capital, Duda held talks with Rwanda’s President Paul Kagame over strengthening economic relations, the global impact of the Russian aggression against Ukraine, and cooperation in defence and education.
“If Rwanda is ever in danger, we will also support it,” said Duda and expressed the hope of developing defence industry cooperation between the two countries in the future.
“Poland is looking for reliable partners in African countries that share common values. We do not doubt that we find understanding and friends in Rwanda in this respect,” stressed Duda.
According to the Polish president’s official website, Duda’s trip to East Africa – where, alongside Rwanda, he visited Kenya and Tanzania – had two main goals: promoting Poland and Polish business and providing information on the situation in Europe related to the Russian aggression against Ukraine.

However, Duda’s words were met with strong opposition from the foreign ministry of the Democratic Republic of Congo – a neighbouring country that remains in conflict with Rwanda.
In a note verbale shared by the Congolese Press Agency, the ministry protested “against the two-faced attitude of Poland”.
“The DRC reserves the right to draw the full consequences of this deliberate and indelicate behaviour by the Polish government,” read the note.
The DRC and Rwanda have been in conflict, whose roots date back to the 1990s. Rwanda has been accused by the DRC and the UN of supporting the rebel group M23 and profiting from coltan – a key raw material in mobile phone production – extracted in the conflict area.

“The situation in the eastern part of the Democratic Republic of Congo is critical. The United Nations has confirmed that Rwanda is supporting the M23 rebels. But the Polish President Duda has declared his full support for…Rwanda,” wrote Belgian MEP Marc Botenga on X.
The protesters that took to the streets of DRC’s capital, Kinshasa, last week accused the governments of the United States, Belgium and other Western powers of failing to react to the conflict in the region.
According to footage posted on social media, some protesters burnt the flags of these countries and targeted some Western diplomatic missions. One video released by the Africanews portal shows a young man holding a banner reading “Poland get out of the DRC” (Pologne degage en D.R.C).

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😂😂😂😂😂😂Rwanda , and we had oldie telling us how great it was tusk was now in charge 😂😂😂w
What a week , I’m going for a lie down , my ribs are at breaking point

Sadly your posts have gone from illiterate to incomprehensible.
If you would like to state the point you are trying, desperately it seems, to make, then state it. Rather than posting up copy and paste word salads

You said you wanted links , your getting them 😂😂😂

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"Illiberal democracy" in Poland reversed. Feb 15, 2024 19:33:00 GMT via mobile

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Post by oldie on Feb 15, 2024 19:33:00 GMT

Feb 15, 2024 18:34:41 GMT ltdgas said:

Feb 15, 2024 12:37:42 GMT oldie said:

Sadly your posts have gone from illiterate to incomprehensible.
If you would like to state the point you are trying, desperately it seems, to make, then state it. Rather than posting up copy and paste word salads

You said you wanted links , your getting them 😂😂😂

Can you imagine, being so utterly illiterate that you cannot even post a link properly and then to compound that by not even understanding what you posted.

Ffs

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