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Post by Nobbygas on Sept 12, 2023 14:03:04 GMT
"UK manufacturing sector climbs to eighth in world rankings – Make UK analysis The UK’s manufacturing sector has climbed one place to eighth in the world rankings, overtaking France in the process according to analysis of the latest official data published by Make UK today. UK Manufacturing climbs to 8th in the world " Contrary to popular belief the UK manufacturing sector is doing quite well. When you have much of the mainstream media and largely Remainer politicians constantly telling us how crap the UK is at everything, how tiny we are, how racist we are, how our history is disgusting, how poor we are, how we lag behind everyone else and how we cannot survive without the EU/USA etc telling us what to do then, it is no surprise that many people - particularly the youth, are in despair about the UK. The reality is that the UK not as dire as many say it is. |
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Post by oldie on Sept 12, 2023 14:45:13 GMT
"UK manufacturing sector climbs to eighth in world rankings – Make UK analysis The UK’s manufacturing sector has climbed one place to eighth in the world rankings, overtaking France in the process according to analysis of the latest official data published by Make UK today. UK Manufacturing climbs to 8th in the world " Contrary to popular belief the UK manufacturing sector is doing quite well. When you have much of the mainstream media and largely Remainer politicians constantly telling us how crap the UK is at everything, how tiny we are, how racist we are, how our history is disgusting, how poor we are, how we lag behind everyone else and how we cannot survive without the EU/USA etc telling us what to do then, it is no surprise that many people - particularly the youth, are in despair about the UK. The reality is that the UK not as dire as many say it is. Interesting. A link to the statement from MAKE UK would be useful as personally I doubt very much they actually stated what you posted in that last paragraph. Link to their website here www.makeuk.org/ |
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Post by Cheshiregas on Sept 12, 2023 15:00:54 GMT
"UK manufacturing sector climbs to eighth in world rankings – Make UK analysis The UK’s manufacturing sector has climbed one place to eighth in the world rankings, overtaking France in the process according to analysis of the latest official data published by Make UK today. UK Manufacturing climbs to 8th in the world " Contrary to popular belief the UK manufacturing sector is doing quite well. When you have much of the mainstream media and largely Remainer politicians constantly telling us how crap the UK is at everything, how tiny we are, how racist we are, how our history is disgusting, how poor we are, how we lag behind everyone else and how we cannot survive without the EU/USA etc telling us what to do then, it is no surprise that many people - particularly the youth, are in despair about the UK. The reality is that the UK not as dire as many say it is. Like to see some facts and data on those statements, Nobby Apart from the newspapers owned by non dom, non tax paying billionaires..... Most remainers I know want the best for their country hence their concern for MPs and PM ripping off the country. As for its current standing it was 6th in 2016 [https://www.plantautomation-technology.com/articles/top-10-largest-manufacturing-nations-in-the-world-in-2020], let's hope we can get back to 5th where we were at times in the 1970s and 1990s. |
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Post by oldie on Sept 12, 2023 15:03:44 GMT
"UK manufacturing sector climbs to eighth in world rankings – Make UK analysis The UK’s manufacturing sector has climbed one place to eighth in the world rankings, overtaking France in the process according to analysis of the latest official data published by Make UK today. UK Manufacturing climbs to 8th in the world " Contrary to popular belief the UK manufacturing sector is doing quite well. When you have much of the mainstream media and largely Remainer politicians constantly telling us how crap the UK is at everything, how tiny we are, how racist we are, how our history is disgusting, how poor we are, how we lag behind everyone else and how we cannot survive without the EU/USA etc telling us what to do then, it is no surprise that many people - particularly the youth, are in despair about the UK. The reality is that the UK not as dire as many say it is. Like to see some facts and data on those statements, Nobby Apart from the newspapers owned by non dom, non tax paying billionaires..... Most remainers I know want the best for their country hence their concern for MPs and PM ripping off the country. As for its current standing it was 6th in 2016 [https://www.plantautomation-technology.com/articles/top-10-largest-manufacturing-nations-in-the-world-in-2020], let's hope we can get back to 5th where we were at times in the 1970s and 1990s. Straight to the heart Cheshire. 👏👏 |
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Post by Nobbygas on Sept 12, 2023 19:41:40 GMT
"UK manufacturing sector climbs to eighth in world rankings – Make UK analysis The UK’s manufacturing sector has climbed one place to eighth in the world rankings, overtaking France in the process according to analysis of the latest official data published by Make UK today. UK Manufacturing climbs to 8th in the world " Contrary to popular belief the UK manufacturing sector is doing quite well. When you have much of the mainstream media and largely Remainer politicians constantly telling us how crap the UK is at everything, how tiny we are, how racist we are, how our history is disgusting, how poor we are, how we lag behind everyone else and how we cannot survive without the EU/USA etc telling us what to do then, it is no surprise that many people - particularly the youth, are in despair about the UK. The reality is that the UK not as dire as many say it is. Interesting. A link to the statement from MAKE UK would be useful as personally I doubt very much they actually stated what you posted in that last paragraph. Link to their website here www.makeuk.org/The last paragraph are my words. The speech quote marks indicate this.......and there is a link to the report. |
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Post by Nobbygas on Sept 12, 2023 19:46:34 GMT
"UK manufacturing sector climbs to eighth in world rankings – Make UK analysis The UK’s manufacturing sector has climbed one place to eighth in the world rankings, overtaking France in the process according to analysis of the latest official data published by Make UK today. UK Manufacturing climbs to 8th in the world " Contrary to popular belief the UK manufacturing sector is doing quite well. When you have much of the mainstream media and largely Remainer politicians constantly telling us how crap the UK is at everything, how tiny we are, how racist we are, how our history is disgusting, how poor we are, how we lag behind everyone else and how we cannot survive without the EU/USA etc telling us what to do then, it is no surprise that many people - particularly the youth, are in despair about the UK. The reality is that the UK not as dire as many say it is. Like to see some facts and data on those statements, Nobby Apart from the newspapers owned by non dom, non tax paying billionaires..... Most remainers I know want the best for their country hence their concern for MPs and PM ripping off the country. As for its current standing it was 6th in 2016 [https://www.plantautomation-technology.com/articles/top-10-largest-manufacturing-nations-in-the-world-in-2020], let's hope we can get back to 5th where we were at times in the 1970s and 1990s. Is that the 1970's before we joined the Common Market, and is that the 1990's before the EU kicked in? |
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Post by Cheshiregas on Sept 12, 2023 21:31:55 GMT
Like to see some facts and data on those statements, Nobby Apart from the newspapers owned by non dom, non tax paying billionaires..... Most remainers I know want the best for their country hence their concern for MPs and PM ripping off the country. As for its current standing it was 6th in 2016 [https://www.plantautomation-technology.com/articles/top-10-largest-manufacturing-nations-in-the-world-in-2020], let's hope we can get back to 5th where we were at times in the 1970s and 1990s. Is that the 1970's before we joined the Common Market, and is that the 1990's before the EU kicked in? And your point Nobby? You are celebrating being 8th as if it's the great heights when we have been higher. We were the 5th largest global economy by GDP in the EU and have fallen to 6th. We were AAA rated in the EU and now our ratings are - Moody's: Aa3 with negative outlook Fitch: AA- with negative outlook DBRS: AA with stable outlook We were not some failing economy without a voice in the EU like some simpering 3rd world economy. And leaving has not lead us to the promised land. Or are you like Rees Smugg someone who believes it will take 50 years to get to there? So can I have some facts around the negative points you make about Remainers? |
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Post by oldie on Sept 12, 2023 21:49:43 GMT
Interesting. A link to the statement from MAKE UK would be useful as personally I doubt very much they actually stated what you posted in that last paragraph. Link to their website here www.makeuk.org/The last paragraph are my words. The speech quote marks indicate this.......and there is a link to the report. Ah sorry That link wasn't obvious. Yes, I suspected that little rant was not from MAKE UK but you did miss this little gem "According to Make UK while the climb up the rankings is encouraging, it strongly cautioned that it is only the third time since 2002 that the UK has ranked above France and cannot be attributed to any post Brexit bounce or other specific factor." Details details.... |
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Post by Nobbygas on Sept 13, 2023 0:49:03 GMT
Is that the 1970's before we joined the Common Market, and is that the 1990's before the EU kicked in? And your point Nobby? You are celebrating being 8th as if it's the great heights when we have been higher. We were the 5th largest global economy by GDP in the EU and have fallen to 6th. We were AAA rated in the EU and now our ratings are - Moody's: Aa3 with negative outlook Fitch: AA- with negative outlook DBRS: AA with stable outlook We were not some failing economy without a voice in the EU like some simpering 3rd world economy. And leaving has not lead us to the promised land. Or are you like Rees Smugg someone who believes it will take 50 years to get to there? So can I have some facts around the negative points you make about Remainers? To be fair Terry, you didn't provide any detail regarding your claims. Plus you have started to quote GDP when we are not talking about GDP but manufacturing figures. Why not just accept the fact that manufacturing in the UK is growing at a healthy rate? Negative points about remainers? I think both you and Oldie are proving my point in this thread. Good news about manufacturing, and all you can do is mention GDP, Rees Mogg, credit ratings, and a 'simpering third world economy'! All I am waiting for now is for one of you to claim we'd be higher if it wasn't for Brexit! |
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Post by Nobbygas on Sept 13, 2023 0:53:09 GMT
The last paragraph are my words. The speech quote marks indicate this.......and there is a link to the report. Ah sorry That link wasn't obvious. Yes, I suspected that little rant was not from MAKE UK but you did miss this little gem "According to Make UK while the climb up the rankings is encouraging, it strongly cautioned that it is only the third time since 2002 that the UK has ranked above France and cannot be attributed to any post Brexit bounce or other specific factor." Details details.... This 'little gem' just shows things go up and down. A bit ironic with you going on about 'details' as you missed all the details in the OP 😂 |
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Post by Cheshiregas on Sept 13, 2023 7:33:41 GMT
And your point Nobby? You are celebrating being 8th as if it's the great heights when we have been higher. We were the 5th largest global economy by GDP in the EU and have fallen to 6th. We were AAA rated in the EU and now our ratings are - Moody's: Aa3 with negative outlook Fitch: AA- with negative outlook DBRS: AA with stable outlook We were not some failing economy without a voice in the EU like some simpering 3rd world economy. And leaving has not lead us to the promised land. Or are you like Rees Smugg someone who believes it will take 50 years to get to there? So can I have some facts around the negative points you make about Remainers? To be fair Terry, you didn't provide any detail regarding your claims. Plus you have started to quote GDP when we are not talking about GDP but manufacturing figures. Why not just accept the fact that manufacturing in the UK is growing at a healthy rate? Negative points about remainers? I think both you and Oldie are proving my point in this thread. Good news about manufacturing, and all you can do is mention GDP, Rees Mogg, credit ratings, and a 'simpering third world economy'! All I am waiting for now is for one of you to claim we'd be higher if it wasn't for Brexit! That's rich about links in fairness Nobby as I provided one when you rarely produce any and Trymer almost never gives any. You said we had got to 8th as if that is something we have rarely done when we have been much higher. I am just mentioning other facts to counter an argument. It's called debate. We are falling down the rankings, our ratings have fallen and are negative outlook. Where are the major 'oven ready' deals with the USA, EU, etc that we were promised by leading Brexiteers. You are a Brexiteer, own the cause and the result. What major benefit do we have now that we didn't already have when we were in the EU? With regard to negativity, you sound like Tory Brexiteers and Farage who say its all Remainers' fault as we aren't positive enough, we aren't giving out happy positive thoughts!! Really? If I think happy thoughts will we get to the 'sunlit uplands' we were promised? PS I said we WEREN'T some simpering 3rd world economy, Brexiteers act and speak as if we were some cowed simpering 3rd world economy when we were in the EU, we weren't - we had the best deal of all of the EU countries. That's been taken away! |
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Post by Nobbygas on Sept 13, 2023 9:38:44 GMT
"You said we had got to 8th as if that is something we have rarely done when we have been much higher." - In 1875 we were probably No.1. Should we still be No.1 ? The point is not the position we are but the fact that the figures show that manufacturing is improving.
"Where are the major 'oven ready' deals with the USA, EU, etc that we were promised by leading Brexiteers." - There never was a promised oven ready trade deal with the US. However, both you and Oldie constantly deride any Trade Deals signed with other nations or blocs, so why are you so obsessed with a US Trade Deal? So, no Trade Deal with the USA and you try to use that as a stick. If a Trade Deal with the USA was signed you'd use that as a stick as well.
"What major benefit do we have now that we didn't already have when we were in the EU?" - The biggest single thing we have is that we are not governed by unelected people in Brussels. That is priceless.
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Post by Cheshiregas on Sept 13, 2023 10:38:59 GMT
"You said we had got to 8th as if that is something we have rarely done when we have been much higher." - In 1875 we were probably No.1. Should we still be No.1 ? The point is not the position we are but the fact that the figures show that manufacturing is improving. "Where are the major 'oven ready' deals with the USA, EU, etc that we were promised by leading Brexiteers." - There never was a promised oven ready trade deal with the US. However, both you and Oldie constantly deride any Trade Deals signed with other nations or blocs, so why are you so obsessed with a US Trade Deal? So, no Trade Deal with the USA and you try to use that as a stick. If a Trade Deal with the USA was signed you'd use that as a stick as well. "What major benefit do we have now that we didn't already have when we were in the EU?" - The biggest single thing we have is that we are not governed by unelected people in Brussels. That is priceless. Nobby, leading Brexiteers promised us that trade deals would be done quickly. We were promised that people would be queuing to do business with us, that Global Britain would be free to do huge deals. That has not happened. If they had told us it would take years, maybe decades to do deals, would people have voted to leave? I very much doubt it. No honesty, no integrity. I would love to see a trade deal with the USA, but it depends on the terms. Most deals we have are role over deals. The Pacific deal is derisory and means we have to take rules from Malaysia etc. We have no say. So much for Sovereignty. Was Lord Frost elected, was Liz Truss elected by the people, was Rishi Sunak elected by the people? Was a 29 year old promoted to the Lords, for a reason no one can say, elected? There is no tangible, monetary or economic reason any Brexiteer can give me yet. I live in hope. I'll give you one benefit Nobby - Farmers can freely continue to poison the countryside at will, as the UK has failed to ban 36 pesticides that are not allowed for use in the EU, our new title is the “toxic poster child of Europe”. Also soon to come EU/UK rules on builders pollution of rivers to be removed. More crap in our rivers. Hey ho, it's a victory for the builders.... |
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Post by Cheshiregas on Sept 13, 2023 11:01:10 GMT
Quotes for Brexit -
There will be no downside to Brexit, only a considerable upside - David Davis
The free trade agreement that we will do with the European Union should be one of the easiest in human history - Liam Fox
We send the EU £350 million a week, let’s fund our NHS instead - The Red Bus [Reality: Even Nigel Farage, just hours after the referendum result, dismissed the £350m claim as false. I heard that conversation the day after the vote]
If we vote Leave, we will be able to increase funding to science and still save billions - Vote Leave
There will be no change to the border between Northern Ireland and the Republic - Michael Gove, Boris Johnson, Priti Patel
It will be so easy to negotiate a trade deal, and of course, it's in the European Union's interest, just as it is in ours - Paul Nuttal, UKIP backed by Nigel Farage.
I think free trade would be relatively straightforward between the UK and America - Douglas Carswell, MP
There is no plan for no deal because we are going to get a great deal - Boris Johnson
The UK will be a better destination for investors once we have left the EU - Jacob Rees Mogg [who moved his investments to Dublin and income is passed through the Caymans]
We'd hold all the cards' after leaving the European Union - Michael Gove
I want to guide Britain to the sunlit uplands - Andrea Leadsom
I appreciate that you were in Germany at that time Nobby, but the above is just some of the crap people were told and most importantly believed.
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Post by trymer on Sept 13, 2023 15:33:51 GMT
I havent had a tv for years and i certainly wouldnt be watching anything to do with music anyway so I missed this story.
Apparently last saturday was the Proms and some remainiacs turned up and waved little EU flags,I saw some pictures today,their little faces were beaming like little kids when they get a swimming certificate.
They really thought that they had done something special,of course you could have burst their bubble by shouting "how's Anna Soubreys rejoin party getting on"? but that would be cruel,far better to let them do it every year because they look so ridiculously funny.
Mind you I could imagine the conversation after when they realised that they had spunked hundreds of pounds on rail fare and admission to the Proms, probably had to get in the queue at the foodbank.....
Be interesting to see if they do it next year if theres a "far right" landslide at the EU elections....probably hide the EU flags under the bed with the hammer and sickle ones.
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Post by oldie on Sept 13, 2023 19:08:30 GMT
I havent had a tv for years and i certainly wouldnt be watching anything to do with music anyway so I missed this story. Apparently last saturday was the Proms and some remainiacs turned up and waved little EU flags,I saw some pictures today,their little faces were beaming like little kids when they get a swimming certificate. They really thought that they had done something special,of course you could have burst their bubble by shouting "how's Anna Soubreys rejoin party getting on"? but that would be cruel,far better to let them do it every year because they look so ridiculously funny. Mind you I could imagine the conversation after when they realised that they had spunked hundreds of pounds on rail fare and admission to the Proms, probably had to get in the queue at the foodbank..... Be interesting to see if they do it next year if theres a "far right" landslide at the EU elections....probably hide the EU flags under the bed with the hammer and sickle ones. My god. He doesn't even realise how stupid that reads. Perhaps we should allow voting predicated upon reasoning capacity. Perhaps |
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Post by Cheshiregas on Sept 13, 2023 21:19:27 GMT
I havent had a tv for years and i certainly wouldnt be watching anything to do with music anyway so I missed this story. Apparently last saturday was the Proms and some remainiacs turned up and waved little EU flags,I saw some pictures today,their little faces were beaming like little kids when they get a swimming certificate. They really thought that they had done something special,of course you could have burst their bubble by shouting "how's Anna Soubreys rejoin party getting on"? but that would be cruel,far better to let them do it every year because they look so ridiculously funny. Mind you I could imagine the conversation after when they realised that they had spunked hundreds of pounds on rail fare and admission to the Proms, probably had to get in the queue at the foodbank..... Be interesting to see if they do it next year if theres a "far right" landslide at the EU elections....probably hide the EU flags under the bed with the hammer and sickle ones. My god. He doesn't even realise how stupid that reads. Perhaps we should allow voting predicated upon reasoning capacity. Perhaps I have no idea what that rambling is about. But I suppose that is the wonder of free speech that he would like to take away from those he disagrees with..... |
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