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Post by oldie on Sept 5, 2024 21:21:19 GMT
Whatever language you choose....your still not funny Ok But I still don't get your point, if indeed there is one? Care to elaborate?
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Post by baldrick on Sept 5, 2024 22:04:30 GMT
Just needs a Government that's not into mass immigration and the backbone to turn the boats back. Obviously not Labour or Tory. So how are, I presume, the Reform Party Limited going to do that without breaking UK or international laws? They are talking a lot knowing full well they can say any old rubbish with no responsibility whatsoever yet some people will hang on their every word and believe they can..... "Reform Party Limited" - love that, I might nick it myself. π As for the bit about breaking the law, Bas and I have discussed that before. Essentially they can't, but not having responsibility allows them to pretend otherwise.
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Post by Nobbygas on Sept 6, 2024 8:57:49 GMT
Well, well, well.
Germany are going to use the very same facilities that we built in Rwanda to house immigrants!
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Post by baldrick on Sept 6, 2024 9:06:25 GMT
Well, well, well. Germany are going to use the very same facilities that we built in Rwanda to house immigrants! They aren't, they are considering processing some applications. Different to what we were proposing.
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Post by Cheshiregas on Sept 6, 2024 9:50:19 GMT
Well, well, well. Germany are going to use the very same facilities that we built in Rwanda to house immigrants! A junior partner in the coalition has suggested it. However as the German Ambassador to the UK has said "Letβs be clear, there is no plan of the German government to deport asylum seekers to Rwanda," he said. "The discussion is about processing asylum applications in third countries under international humanitarian law and with support of the United Nations."Whereas the UK wanted to break international law and leave the asylum seekers there even if their application was agreed and accepted, the German proposal is simply to house them there while processing their applications. It is intended to be done within international law. If successful they would return to Germany, the country for which they are applying for asylum. You make it sound as if its the same principle Nobby, it isn't.
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Post by oldie on Sept 6, 2024 9:56:56 GMT
Well, well, well. Germany are going to use the very same facilities that we built in Rwanda to house immigrants! A junior partner in the coalition has suggested it. However as the German Ambassador to the UK has saidΒ Β "Letβs be clear, there is no plan of the German government to deport asylum seekers to Rwanda," he said. "The discussion is about processing asylum applications in third countries under international humanitarian law and with support of the United Nations."Whereas the UK wanted to break international law and leave the asylum seekers there even if their application was agreed and accepted, the German proposal is simply to house them there while processing their applications. It is intended to be done within international law. If successful they would return to Germany, the country for which they are applying for asylum. You make it sound as if its the same principle Nobby, it isn't.Β Verification by Moderation....I like itππ
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Post by aghast on Sept 6, 2024 16:25:59 GMT
Someone in a minority party in Germany suggests using the UK's abandoned Rwanda plan, and suddenly it's 'Germany Takes Over Rwanda Facilities'.
Very surprised that anyone with a modicum of sense would see fit to suggest it's serious.
More sensible Teutonic heads have nipped that one in the bud of course.
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Post by baldrick on Sept 6, 2024 16:50:20 GMT
Someone in a minority party in Germany suggests using the UK's abandoned Rwanda plan, and suddenly it's 'Germany Takes Over Rwanda Facilities'. Very surprised that anyone with a modicum of sense would see fit to suggest it's serious. More sensible Teutonic heads have nipped that one in the bud of course. A German thinking of using Rwanda = same as UK. Except it's not and has been debunked by a few on here. Still, headlines is all that matters.
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Post by oldie on Sept 6, 2024 22:00:26 GMT
Someone in a minority party in Germany suggests using the UK's abandoned Rwanda plan, and suddenly it's 'Germany Takes Over Rwanda Facilities'. Very surprised that anyone with a modicum of sense would see fit to suggest it's serious. More sensible Teutonic heads have nipped that one in the bud of course. A German thinking of using Rwanda = same as UK. Except it's not and has been debunked by a few on here. Still, headlines is all that matters. It's a classic case of "it may not be true, but I want to believe it"
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Post by baldrick on Sept 6, 2024 22:22:14 GMT
A German thinking of using Rwanda = same as UK. Except it's not and has been debunked by a few on here. Still, headlines is all that matters. It's a classic case of "it may not be true, but I want to believe it" Definitely and not the first time someone on here has posted a 'fact' that doesn't stand up to first contact with the truth, or even the headline being contradicted by the first line of the article. Must be nearing double figures in the past two weeks alone.
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Post by Nobbygas on Sept 9, 2024 14:40:32 GMT
Meanwhile, in Germany... "Germany will bring in controls on all its land borders to deal with the 'continuing burden' of migration and 'Islamist terrorism', the country's interior minister has told the EU. Nancy Faeser of the struggling Social Democrat party (SPD) has finally accepted that Germany has no choice but to enforce proper border controls if it has any hope of coping with the staggering amount of unauthorised entries. According to German newspaper Bild, the new rules will see 'harsh rejections of migrants at the borders'. Faeser has reportedly already informed the EU Commission of the decision, which is fuelled by deep-rooted panic over Germany's current migrant situation and internal security threats." "Manuel Ostermann, deputy federal chairman of the Federal Police Union, has launched a fierce condemnation of Schengen, the EU's hair-brained border-free scheme, in an interview with Focus magazine. 'The crisis in Germany's security is a direct consequence of Schengen's ineffective policies. Schengen's inability to manage migration effectively has put Germany's safety at stake.' 'Germany must realize the current failure of Schengen and either make a concerted effort to return to the current legal situation or terminate Schengen,' Here he pointed to the rising crime rates in Germany, exacerbated by the migration crisis, as proof that Schengen is no longer viable. He said Schengen's open borders have made it easier for criminals to operate across Europe, impacting Germany's safety. 'Schengen has failed to protect Germany from the influx of criminals, necessitating immediate action.' 'We must continue to notify our internal borders because border controls, whose effectiveness has been proven, are no longer maintained under Schengen. 'The failure of Schengen is evident in the increased crime rates, making it clear that changes are needed.'" Daily Mail
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Post by baselswh on Sept 9, 2024 16:03:27 GMT
The West must stop the Islamic invasion.
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Post by baselswh on Sept 9, 2024 16:33:57 GMT
The IOPC and Manchester Police are having an investigation into who released the film that showed the WPC get her nose broken at Manchester Airport,thus proving the guilt of the Muslim thugs.
I think they're looking for a way of letting them off.
In the scenario the Police had released the film proving the Muslim thugs guilty,it may well of stopped alot of trouble.
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Post by oldie on Sept 9, 2024 20:04:37 GMT
The IOPC and Manchester Police are having an investigation into who released the film that showed the WPC get her nose broken at Manchester Airport,thus proving the guilt of the Muslim thugs. I think they're looking for a way of letting them off. In the scenario the Police had released the film proving the Muslim thugs guilty,it may well of stopped alot of trouble. Or of course, perverted the course of justice and caused a mistrial. Thus letting those charged off from a proper trial and subsequent sentence. Is there any chance we could supplant the stupidity of indigenous UK nationals by birth making these profoundly stupid remarks in the public domain, with those seeking asylum here and have those indigenous locals deported? Quite frankly it is embarrassing
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Post by baselswh on Sept 9, 2024 20:11:11 GMT
The IOPC and Manchester Police are having an investigation into who released the film that showed the WPC get her nose broken at Manchester Airport,thus proving the guilt of the Muslim thugs. I think they're looking for a way of letting them off. In the scenario the Police had released the film proving the Muslim thugs guilty,it may well of stopped alot of trouble. Or of course, perverted the course of justice and caused a mistrial. Thus letting those charged off from a proper trial and subsequent sentence. Is there any chance we could supplant the stupidity of indigenous UK nationals by birth making these profoundly stupid remarks in the public domain, with those seeking asylum here and have those indigenous locals deported? Quite frankly it is embarrassing You're talking rubbish,you nasty little stuck up traitor.
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Post by oldie on Sept 9, 2024 20:15:05 GMT
Or of course, perverted the course of justice and caused a mistrial. Thus letting those charged off from a proper trial and subsequent sentence. Is there any chance we could supplant the stupidity of indigenous UK nationals by birth making these profoundly stupid remarks in the public domain, with those seeking asylum here and have those indigenous locals deported? Quite frankly it is embarrassing You're talking rubbish,you nasty little stuck up traitor. πππππ Imagine
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Post by baldrick on Sept 9, 2024 20:23:25 GMT
Or of course, perverted the course of justice and caused a mistrial. Thus letting those charged off from a proper trial and subsequent sentence. Is there any chance we could supplant the stupidity of indigenous UK nationals by birth making these profoundly stupid remarks in the public domain, with those seeking asylum here and have those indigenous locals deported? Quite frankly it is embarrassing You're talking rubbish,you nasty little stuck up traitor. Oldie's first part is true, their could be the danger of them getting off on a technicality by posting the video, prejudicing the case.
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Post by baselswh on Sept 9, 2024 20:29:23 GMT
You're talking rubbish,you nasty little stuck up traitor. Oldie's first part is true, their could be the danger of them getting off on a technicality by posting the video, prejudicing the case. I've not seen any suggestion that's the case except from you two.
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Post by oldie on Sept 9, 2024 21:51:10 GMT
Oldie's first part is true, their could be the danger of them getting off on a technicality by posting the video, prejudicing the case. I've not seen any suggestion that's the case except from you two. That's because you have zero understanding of the law.
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Post by Nobbygas on Sept 9, 2024 23:36:17 GMT
I've not seen any suggestion that's the case except from you two. That's because you have zero understanding of the law. Nonsense. Most of the videos in the public domain were shot by members of the public on their phones. You cannot suppress this information getting into the public domain unless you have a totalitarian state ! These videos should help the Police to convict these criminals. Time and time again we see the Police issuing videos along the lines of "have you seen this man/woman?". Every time they do that are they not possibly "prejudicing the trial" that could result? Good policing is dependent on the goodwill of the public. To even suggest these videos could prejudice the trial is nonsense and that argument is a just 'barrack room argument'. We are seeing people being sent to prison for something they posted on Facebook, and not only that but some of these are 'first offenders'. I fully expect these criminals involved in this incident at Manchester Airport to be tried, convicted and to receive a lengthy prison sentence. If they had pleaded guilty then it would be all over by now. By declaring they are not guilty I fully expect the sentence to be even harsher, as is the law. Anything less will be a further indication of the two-tier judicial system that seems to have been developed. The same applies to the Labour guy who declared that the throats should be cut of any 'right winger'. He has pleaded 'not guilty'. Should that video have also been suppressed? Has the release of the video of him declaring that 'prejudiced' his trial? Oh, and for a guy who is a local councilor, how can he afford to have a KC defend him? Where has the money come for that? Are you saying that the video of him declaring this should never have been released into the public domain? After all, it is the video that is the main piece of evidence.
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