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Post by baselswh on May 26, 2023 12:49:04 GMT
I see the 2022 immigration figures confirm the Conservative Party are liars.
Labour will have to go some to be "even worse".
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Cheshiregas
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Post by Cheshiregas on May 26, 2023 13:46:20 GMT
The Tories, I believe it was Jenrick, the other day were blaming Labour for the current backlog and had to be corrected. Backlog 2011 - 5,957 Backlog March 2023 - 138,052 Brexit - taking back control of our borders! view.officeapps.live.com/op/view.aspx?src=https%3A%2F%2Fassets.publishing.service.gov.uk%2Fgovernment%2Fuploads%2Fsystem%2Fuploads%2Fattachment_data%2Ffile%2F1152238%2Fstatistics-relating-to-the-Illegal-Migration-Bill-data-tables.ods&wdOrigin=BROWSELINKAt 31 March 2023, there were 112,294 individuals in receipt of support, of which: 56,979 people were in dispersed accommodation (51%) 49,606 people were in contingency accommodation (including hotels and other contingency accommodation; 44%) 1,651 people were in initial accommodation (1%) 4,058 people were in receipt of subsistence only (cash support only; 4%) At 31 March 2023, there were 15,427 properties being used for dispersed accommodation and 397 properties being used for contingency and initial accommodation. No one is to blame other than the Tories. They slashed budgets and now blame civil servants for the mess. They are costing us billions in wasted money. |
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Post by oldie on May 26, 2023 14:13:05 GMT
I just wish we could have a grown up conversation about it without all the nationalist ranting and then blindness to the impacts from both sides of the debate.
For example, what are the real numbers?
Perhaps 600,000
Less-
Hong Kong residents given an escape rout after the crackdown
Ukrainian residents given an escape route from the Russian fascists
Students here on fixed term visas
Those given visas to fill skill gaps.
= Real immigration.
Then we have a number to discuss
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Post by Nobbygas on May 30, 2023 14:45:17 GMT
I just wish we could have a grown up conversation about it without all the nationalist ranting and then blindness to the impacts from both sides of the debate. For example, what are the real numbers? Perhaps 600,000 Less- Hong Kong residents given an escape rout after the crackdown Ukrainian residents given an escape route from the Russian fascists Students here on fixed term visas Those given visas to fill skill gaps. = Real immigration. Then we have a number to discuss 600,000. That's the equivalent of a city the size of Bristol every year. Are we increasing the capacity of the NHS to deal with an additional 600,00 a year? Are we building enough housing to accomodate 600,000 a year? I think the answer to both those questions is no, hence additional pressure on the NHS, plus constant rises in house prices and rent as demand is outstripping supply. Plus, how many of those 600,000 per year end up in employment, or does it just add to the Welfare bill for the taxpayers. Things like these need long term planning. You won't fix things in one or two years and most politicians don't hang around long enough to worry about it. How long does the average Health Secretary last? The same with the Housing Minister. They know they will not be in the job long enough to implement and oversee any long-term policies so why bother. So, the NHS can't cope. House prices and rent going up. More tax to be paid. It won't end well will it. |
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Post by oldie on May 30, 2023 17:06:49 GMT
I just wish we could have a grown up conversation about it without all the nationalist ranting and then blindness to the impacts from both sides of the debate. For example, what are the real numbers? Perhaps 600,000 Less- Hong Kong residents given an escape rout after the crackdown Ukrainian residents given an escape route from the Russian fascists Students here on fixed term visas Those given visas to fill skill gaps. = Real immigration. Then we have a number to discuss 600,000. That's the equivalent of a city the size of Bristol every year. Are we increasing the capacity of the NHS to deal with an additional 600,00 a year? Are we building enough housing to accomodate 600,000 a year? I think the answer to both those questions is no, hence additional pressure on the NHS, plus constant rises in house prices and rent as demand is outstripping supply. Plus, how many of those 600,000 per year end up in employment, or does it just add to the Welfare bill for the taxpayers. Things like these need long term planning. You won't fix things in one or two years and most politicians don't hang around long enough to worry about it. How long does the average Health Secretary last? The same with the Housing Minister. They know they will not be in the job long enough to implement and oversee any long-term policies so why bother. So, the NHS can't cope. House prices and rent going up. More tax to be paid. It won't end well will it. Yes We need to face up to all of that. The Higher Education Sector claims a £42Billion positive impact on the economy. Just on that point, wherever there are major HE institutions there has been phenomenal building of student accommodation so the impact on local housing is not the gross level of student incoming (they are not long term migrants), but that is not to say there is not a net impact. But then you also have figure in the non accommodation impacts, like the new campus being built at derelict land at Temple Meads. On the NHS, take out the temporary student population as they are mostly young and their demand on the NHS whilst not zero it is minimal relatively. I would contend our NHS is in dire straights because of government policy and also not planning for its success. We are living far longer which brings far more demand on the NHS than a 25 year old immigrant |
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Post by trymer on May 30, 2023 17:50:59 GMT
I just wish we could have a grown up conversation about it without all the nationalist ranting and then blindness to the impacts from both sides of the debate. For example, what are the real numbers? Perhaps 600,000 Less- Hong Kong residents given an escape rout after the crackdown Ukrainian residents given an escape route from the Russian fascists Students here on fixed term visas Those given visas to fill skill gaps. = Real immigration. Then we have a number to discuss 600,000. That's the equivalent of a city the size of Bristol every year. Are we increasing the capacity of the NHS to deal with an additional 600,00 a year? Are we building enough housing to accomodate 600,000 a year? I think the answer to both those questions is no, hence additional pressure on the NHS, plus constant rises in house prices and rent as demand is outstripping supply. Plus, how many of those 600,000 per year end up in employment, or does it just add to the Welfare bill for the taxpayers. Things like these need long term planning. You won't fix things in one or two years and most politicians don't hang around long enough to worry about it. How long does the average Health Secretary last? The same with the Housing Minister. They know they will not be in the job long enough to implement and oversee any long-term policies so why bother. So, the NHS can't cope. House prices and rent going up. More tax to be paid. It won't end well will it. In a city like Bristol with 2 local universities the amount of students cause pressure on the housing market and the NHS. University halls of residence only house first year students from then on they usually rent flats or houses driving up house prices and rents in the city. Students also visit NHS doctors for real or imaginary ailments they suffer from mental health issues at a higher rate than similar aged non students,there has been in Bristol a sexual health problem and at one time it was taking a lot longer to get a test for STDs here than the average time around the country. A pity that the proposed campus at Temple quarter never got off the ground,costs have increased so much since it was supposed to open in 2021 that I doubt that it would be possible to build now. |
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Post by oldie on May 30, 2023 18:08:46 GMT
600,000. That's the equivalent of a city the size of Bristol every year. Are we increasing the capacity of the NHS to deal with an additional 600,00 a year? Are we building enough housing to accomodate 600,000 a year? I think the answer to both those questions is no, hence additional pressure on the NHS, plus constant rises in house prices and rent as demand is outstripping supply. Plus, how many of those 600,000 per year end up in employment, or does it just add to the Welfare bill for the taxpayers. Things like these need long term planning. You won't fix things in one or two years and most politicians don't hang around long enough to worry about it. How long does the average Health Secretary last? The same with the Housing Minister. They know they will not be in the job long enough to implement and oversee any long-term policies so why bother. So, the NHS can't cope. House prices and rent going up. More tax to be paid. It won't end well will it. In a city like Bristol with 2 local universities the amount of students cause pressure on the housing market and the NHS. University halls of residence only house first year students from then on they usually rent flats or houses driving up house prices and rents in the city. Students also visit NHS doctors for real or imaginary ailments they suffer from mental health issues at a higher rate than similar aged non students,there has been in Bristol a sexual health problem and at one time it was taking a lot longer to get a test for STDs here than the average time around the country. A pity that the proposed campus at Temple quarter never got off the ground,costs have increased so much since it was supposed to open in 2021 that I doubt that it would be possible to build now. Can you quote your sources for those opinions, or are those assertions just that, opinion? |
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