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Post by bluetornados on Aug 29, 2023 7:49:42 GMT
The Athletic's Mark Critchley believes bringing in Joao Felix if Mohammed Salah leaves "makes sense" for Liverpool, but that a move remains "unlikely".ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/800/cpsprodpb/8dcd/live/51eb3300-432a-11ee-9a14-bb7610020ae1.jpgSpeaking to the Transfer Gossip Daily podcast, he said: "I'd bet on him (Salah) staying. Liverpool have been adamant all the way through that they're not going to sell him, there's four days to go. I know the sums being spoken about here are huge but this is a guy who will be impossible to replace in this time. "He's (Joao Felix) a bit of an enigma. He's still only just 23-years-old, it feels like he's been around forever. He's available because he's totally out of favour, his relationship with Simeone at Atletico has totally broken down. Even the Atleti president has come out this week and said he doesn't want to play there. "The question is if teams will come in and pay what's needed. I think he fits more a Barcelona profile than a Liverpool profile. "If Salah goes and suddenly Liverpool need to find a world-class player at short notice, it makes sense to turn to Felix because of the situation but there's a lot of dominoes that need to fall before that happens. I still think this one is a bit unlikely for now."
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Post by bluetornados on Aug 29, 2023 7:51:03 GMT
ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/800/cpsprodpb/a9c1/live/40bd9ed0-425b-11ee-9b58-cb80889117a8.jpgWe asked for your views on Sunday's game between Newcastle and Liverpool.
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Merv: I do not think a lot of Newcastle with this performance. It was too much like the old Newcastle, huffing and puffing and getting nowhere. Good goalkeeper or not, they should have put the game to bed with a second and possibly a third goal. Andy: Howe's 'football by numbers' approach has been found out. It was a solid team performance undermined by a lack of creativity. In the end, we managed to defeat ourselves. It was a cagey game crying out for that second Newcastle goal. If Saint-Maximin was still available, he'd have shredded a fragile Liverpool defence and ran their 10 men ragged. Three points dropped, not good. Billy: Sorry but Newcastle were disgraceful. I expect football from an Eddie Howe team. Joelinton and the referee were very poor, worse than Liverpool who fought and deserved the three points. Graeme: Sad to say that it's time for Bruno to be benched. He was culpable for giving the ball away for both goals, his distribution is awful, and we lack creativity from our creative midfielder. Tonali playing central with Willock and Anderson either side will get Newcastle back to winning ways. Liverpool fans
John: If this was a footballing equivalent of a Monopoly game, Liverpool used their "get out of jail free" card and should have lost today, especially after Trent Alexander-Arnold's poor start and Virgil van Dijk's red card (which was debatable). They showed tremendous battling qualities to earn three points today. Sandy: Trent was not at fault for Gordon's goal, it was a terrible pass from Salah. He should've seen that Trent was not in position to receive it. However, he did make amends with that pass to Nunez. It wasn't Salah's greatest of games. Muaz: Wow, just wow. I cannot believe we have beaten Newcastle United again, after conceding a goal from Gordon and getting a red card for Van Dijk. Darwin Nunez is amazing, how does he do it? Two late goals and one in injury time, quite unbelievable. It's a bit early to say it but, if we can beat Newcastle then we could beat any team. Let's go Reds. Chris: This win is more about Liverpool's character and will to win then Newcastle's lack of sustained momentum. Not one player lost it for Newcastle, but you have to say two players won it for Liverpool: Nunez and Alisson.
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Post by bluetornados on Aug 29, 2023 21:53:03 GMT
Virgil van Dijk: Liverpool defender charged by FA after red card against Newcastle..
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Virgil van Dijk argues with referee John Brooks over the decision to send him off at NewcastleVirgil van Dijk has been charged by the Football Association for acting in an "improper manner" after being sent off in Liverpool's win at Newcastle. The Liverpool captain was shown a straight red card in the 29th minute at St James' Park on Sunday for fouling Newcastle forward Alexander Isak. The defender appeared to argue with referee John Brooks while the incident was reviewed by VAR. The FA says it is alleged Van Dijk used "abusive and/or insulting words". ichef.bbci.co.uk/ace/standard/240/cpsprodpb/FA7B/production/_130932146_gettyimages-1628176733.jpg"Virgil van Dijk has been charged with a breach of FA rule E3.1 following Liverpool's Premier League game against Newcastle United on Sunday, 27 August," said the FA in a statement. "It's alleged that the defender acted in an improper manner and/or used abusive and/or insulting words towards a match official after being sent off in the 29th minute." The 32-year-old Netherlands centre-back, who also appeared to argue with the fourth official before making his way down the tunnel, has until Friday to respond to the charge. Currently, Van Dijk will serve a one-match ban for the initial red card and miss Liverpool's next game against Aston Villa on Sunday. The charge comes after referees' chief Howard Webb said he was "determined" officials would not "turn a blind eye" to bad behaviour from players and coaches this season. The incident occurred three minutes after Liverpool went behind to Anthony Gordon's opening goal and with the visitors under pressure in the game.
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Post by bluetornados on Aug 30, 2023 21:19:03 GMT
Ryan Gravenberch: Liverpool discuss deal for Netherlands midfielder with Bayern Munich..By Mandeep Sanghera, BBC Sport.
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Ryan Gravenberch has won 11 senior caps for the NetherlandsLiverpool are in discussions with Bayern Munich about the possibility of signing midfielder Ryan Gravenberch from the German champions. The Netherlands international joined Bayern from Ajax last summer but has struggled for first-team football. Gravenberch, 21, has made just one substitute appearance this season. Liverpool have been linked with him for much of the summer, but it remains to be seen if a deal can now be finalised before Friday's transfer deadline. The Reds have already signed Alexis Mac Allister, Dominik Szoboszlai and Wataru Endo this summer as they refreshed their midfield. Key midfielders Jordan Henderson and Fabinho left Anfield to join Saudi Arabian clubs this summer, while James Milner and Naby Keita also departed on free transfers. ichef.bbci.co.uk/ace/standard/240/cpsprodpb/C7C8/production/_130944115_gettyimages-1628179144.jpg
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Post by bluetornados on Aug 30, 2023 22:33:04 GMT
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Post by bluetornados on Aug 31, 2023 15:05:42 GMT
Liverpool transfers: Defender Nat Phillips to join Celtic on loan..By Mandeep Sanghera, BBC Sport.
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Phillips is behind Virgil van Dijk, Ibrahima Konate, Joe Gomez, Joel Matip and Jarell Quansah in the pecking order at AnfieldLiverpool central defender Nat Phillips has agreed to join Celtic on loan until January. The Scottish champions want the 26-year-old with centre-backs Cameron Carter-Vickers, Stephen Welsh and Maik Nawrocki facing lengthy spells out. Phillips, who joined Liverpool in 2016, has spent previous loan spells at Stuttgart and Bournemouth. He has yet to play for the Reds this season and made only five appearances during the 2022-23 campaign. His best season for Liverpool came in 2020-21 when he made 20 outings, including three in the Champions League as Liverpool suffered an injury crisis of their own in the centre of defence. Phillips has made 79 career appearances, scoring once in a 3-0 Liverpool victory over Burnley His contract at Anfield runs until 2025.
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Post by bluetornados on Aug 31, 2023 19:37:28 GMT
Ryan Gravenberch: Liverpool agree £34m deal for Netherlands midfielder with Bayern Munich..By Mandeep Sanghera, BBC Sport.ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/800/cpsprodpb/68d2/live/b87593d0-489e-11ee-9faa-f340dbd45ec2.jpgLiverpool have agreed a deal worth 40m euros (£34.3m) to sign midfielder Ryan Gravenberch from Bayern Munich. The 21-year-old Netherlands international joined the German champions from Ajax last summer but has struggled for first-team football. Gravenberch has made just one substitute appearance this season. Liverpool have been linked with him for much of the summer and will now aim to conclude a deal before Friday's transfer deadline. The Reds have already signed Alexis Mac Allister, Dominik Szoboszlai and Wataru Endo this summer in a refresh of their midfield. ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/800/cpsprodpb/d561/live/64b5adf0-4891-11ee-af94-0d4edf17beea.jpgKey midfielders Jordan Henderson and Fabinho have left Anfield to join Saudi Arabian clubs, while James Milner, Naby Keita and Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain also departed on free transfers. Gravenberch came through the Ajax academy and made his debut for the club in September 2018 against PSV Eindhoven. In all, the box-to-box midfielder played 103 matches for the Dutch club, scoring 12 goals, before joining Bayern for an initial 18.5m euros. Last season he started just three games in his 24 Bundesliga outings for Bayern, and made his one appearance this season as a late substitute in a 3-1 win against Augsburg on Sunday.
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Post by bluetornados on Sept 1, 2023 8:08:20 GMT
ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/800/cpsprodpb/8dcd/live/51eb3300-432a-11ee-9a14-bb7610020ae1.jpgSaudi Pro League club Al-Ittihad are willing to offer a record Premier League fee of £150m to Liverpool for forward Mohamed Salah. ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/800/cpsprodpb/f135/live/6bc4e930-4657-11ee-9b58-cb80889117a8.jpgWe asked who would make your deadline day wish list...Here are some of your thoughts:Adli: To bring in another defensive midfielder and a centre-back who can play right-back ideally - and still have some transfer budget for the January transfer window. Barry: Doucoure from Palace, but I fear £70m is too much for FSG at this late stage. He, for me, has everything Liverpool need in a defensive midfielder, with Premier League experience and Palace's best player last season. KP: Salah leaving would have more of an impact on our season than failure to bring in another central defensive midfielder. I guess in an ideal world Khephren Thuram would be nice, but focus needs to be on keeping Salah. If we have to free up wages by holding back on signings so be it. Joe: A good defensive midfielder and Mbappe if Salah is allowed to leave! Vardon: Unfortunately, our dream transfers have all ended up elsewhere in Gvardiol, Bellingham and Camavinga and bids for Barella and Palhinha seem unlikely, although they would be top of my list. Gravenberch? He will need to develop quickly to adapt to the Premier League. A left-sided centre-back? A cheeky bid for Gabriel or Ndicka. I doubt we'll get them. Roger: We desperately need a good, solid right-back to allow Trent Alexander-Arnold to play in midfield and a strong defensive midfielder who can link attack and defence while breaking up opponents' attacks. This has been obvious for some time but, sadly, we seem as far away from it as we were in May.
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Post by bluetornados on Sept 1, 2023 15:26:55 GMT
Mohamed Salah transfer news: Liverpool reject £150m Al-Ittihad bid..By Mandeep Sanghera, BBC Sport.ichef.bbci.co.uk/live-experience/cps/624/cpsprodpb/vivo/live/images/2023/9/1/f69690a0-c7a6-4be3-8641-3be0d2465871.jpgLiverpool have rejected a £150m offer for Mohamed Salah from Saudi Pro League club Al-Ittihad. The bid for the 31-year-old forward was for in excess of £100m, with add-ons taking it up to £150m. Liverpool remain insistent the Egypt international is not for sale, and that is final as far as the club are concerned. Salah, who joined the Reds from Italian side Roma in 2017, signed a new three-year contract last summer. Liverpool manager Jurgen Klopp said last week that Salah was "100% committed" to the Anfield cause, and on Friday he reiterated the club's stance that the player was not for sale. "The position remains the same. Absolutely no doubt about that. That's how it is. Nothing else to say," said Klopp. Liverpool would have little time to react to Salah's potential departure, with the transfer window closing at 23:00 BST on Friday for incoming deals involving Premier League teams. However, Al-Ittihad will still be able to sign players as the Saudi Pro League transfer window is set to close on 7th September. ichef.bbci.co.uk/onesport/cps/800/cpsprodpb/16ED2/production/_130960939_hi087225798.jpgSalah's agent has previously dismissed talk of a move to Saudi Arabia but has not responded following the latest links with Al-Ittihad. "Mohamed remains committed to Liverpool," agent Ramy Abbas Issa wrote in a social media post on 7 August. "If we considered leaving Liverpool this year, we wouldn't have renewed the contract last summer." Salah has started all three of Liverpool's games this season, with Klopp's side having accumulated seven points following a draw with Chelsea and wins against Bournemouth and Newcastle United. He set up Luis Diaz to score at Chelsea but showed frustration at being substituted in the draw before knocking in the rebound from his saved penalty in the win against Bournemouth. Salah had the assist for Darwin Nunez's winner at Newcastle, with Liverpool getting the three points despite being down to 10 men for most of the match. A key player for the Merseysiders, Salah has 187 goals in 308 games for Liverpool and registered 76 assists. He has won the Champions League, Premier League, FA Cup, League Cup, Fifa Club World Cup and Uefa Super Cup during his time at Anfield. He has also won or shared the Premier League Golden Boot three times and been named the PFA player of the year twice.
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Post by bluetornados on Sept 1, 2023 15:54:04 GMT
Former Arsenal midfielder Paul Merson has been speaking on Sky Sports about Mohamed Salah. Liverpool earlier rejected a £150m bid from Saudi Pro League side Al-Ittihad for the forward. "He's one of the best players in the world. It's a hard one. He's 31, £150 million. If you sell him for £150 million then what can you buy for that? They're not going to be better than Salah. At the same time, are they going to win the league this season? I don't think so. "Do you take the money and try and rebuild and win the Premier League in the next four years. I'm a massive fan of Salah, he scores goals for fun." ichef.bbci.co.uk/live-experience/cps/624/cpsprodpb/vivo/live/images/2023/9/1/b29c0810-61b7-4a03-b739-16a8b9b977bd.jpg |
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Post by bluetornados on Sept 1, 2023 16:11:24 GMT
ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/800/cpsprodpb/f135/live/6bc4e930-4657-11ee-9b58-cb80889117a8.jpgichef.bbci.co.uk/live-experience/cps/624/cpsprodpb/vivo/live/images/2023/9/1/7e31344f-7d91-4670-83e7-95e2463be4f2.jpgKwong: Every player has a price. What we don't know is whether Salah wants to move. But Liverpool are brave to turn down £150m for player who could walk away for free in 2025. As a supporter of Liverpool I am happy he is staying but would totally understand if he is sold. Locky: Salah is not loyal he refused to sign new contract without a massive pay day, and this one is even bigger from Locky Salah is not loyal he refused to sign new contract without a massive pay day, and this one is even bigger Oliver: If Bellingham were to leave Dortmund the season just gone I would have personally driven Salah to the airport myself. Use his money to get Jude. Annoying how things happen at just the wrong time. from Oliver If Bellingham were to leave Dortmund the season just gone I would have personally driven Salah to the airport myself. Use his money to get Jude. Annoying how things happen at just the wrong time. Carl, Derby: If Liverpool get £150m for Salah then surely someone is already offering Arsenal £120m for Bukayo Saka, who would be an ideal replacement. Pete: Keegan, Dalglish, Torres and Suarez were all irreplaceable, but we did. IF Salah goes he will be replaced but not straight away so this season is then about building. But my number 1 concern is Klopp’s thoughts as he IS irreplaceable. J, Bath: Why don't Liverpool accept and then offer £200m for Mbappe? They might just get him from J, Bath Why don't Liverpool accept and then offer £200m for Mbappe? They might just get him Joe: If the offer had been made a week ago for Salah at 150M I think Liverpool might have considered !?! But it's just too late in the window for them to spend it I think? Tom, Bath: Liverpool really can’t afford to accept £150m for Salah even if the bid was made earlier in the window - they would need a world-class replacement for him, and it’s not as though these people are looking for Europa League action… from Tom, Bath Liverpool really can’t afford to accept £150m for Salah even if the bid was made earlier in the window - they would need a world-class replacement for him, and it’s not as though these people are looking for Europa League action… Bob in Hammersmith: Regarding the Salah offer, there’s just no time today to get a replacement in today. I can see the Saudis coming back in January with something similar but then we’d hopefully have some options lined up. Madness to sell today though. Anon: Those in favour of selling Salah are blind to the fact that he is genuinely irreplaceable. Which other winger in the world is going to score 25+ goals every season? Will: RE Joe 13:53 - You realise Liverpool turned down the deal not Salah? Money absolutely buys loyalty. That loyalty just lasts until more money is offered and that loyalty moves on to someone else... Richie, in the North West: Liverpool should announce Ryan Gravenberch asap, then get Piero Hincapie, Perr Shuurs, Jarrod Bowen & Johan Bakayoko locked down today with the majority of the Salah sale money. They can send the surplus to me for the advice. Stevie: Madness for Liverpool not to take the £150m for Salah. He's 32 next summer, they've got a young goal machine in Nunez who would come into his own if they sold him! Thomas: Surely £150 million is too good to turn down for Salah. That is a huge number that could lead to a total transformation of this Liverpool team. However, it wouldn’t be good for football, the first current world class player to leave for Saudi. Big statement. Joe: Great resolve from Liverpool, not cowering to the supposed 'might' of Saudi money. You can't buy loyalty my friend, but appreciate next summer will be a different conversation. By then it will simply have been fantatsic business for Liverpool all round. Imti: We should sell Salah, he isn't the same and the money is better invested on our midfield, and possibly right back.Sign a right back and play trent defensive midfield. Sell Salah. from Imti, from Liverpool We should sell Salah, he isn't the same and the money is better invested on our midfield, and possibly right back.Sign a right back and play trent defensive midfield. Sell Salah. James, Stourbridge: Last time we sold our star striker on transfer deadline day we ended up with Andy Carroll. It's not about the amount of money, it's about the timing. Salah is not irreplaceable but he is probably irreplaceable with less than 24 hours to go.
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Post by bluetornados on Sept 5, 2023 8:15:09 GMT
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Post by bluetornados on Sept 5, 2023 8:29:29 GMT
'Money has never been a motivation' - Jordan Henderson interview..ichef.bbci.co.uk/live-experience/cps/624/cpsprodpb/vivo/live/images/2023/9/5/e0dd7640-1545-44de-9c39-e1bad66c03ad.jpgWhen Jordan Henderson's move from Liverpool to Al-Ettifaq was confirmed, there were reports the 33-year-old England midfielder would be earning £700,000 a week. Henderson laughed off those rumours and told The Athletic, for him, the move was never about money. "No. I wish it was," laughed Henderson when asked about the £700,000 figure. "No, honestly, the numbers just aren’t true. But again, it had to work out for us financially as well. I’m not saying that it didn’t and I’m not saying, “Oh, I’m not on good money” because it’s good money and it was a good deal but it wasn’t the numbers that were reported. No." He added: "That was the hardest thing. People will see this club come with loads of money and he’s just gone, “Yeah, I’m going.” When in reality that just wasn’t the case at all. "People can believe me or not, but in my life and my career, money has never been a motivation. Ever. "Don’t get me wrong, when you move, the business deal has to be right. You have to have financials, you have to feel wanted, you have to feel valued. And money is a part of that. But that wasn’t the sole reason. And these possibilities came up before money was even mentioned." 'I wanted something that would excite me'..ichef.bbci.co.uk/live-experience/cps/624/cpsprodpb/vivo/live/images/2023/9/5/15fd7836-2faf-4eb1-a5fe-644164abe5d8.jpgJordan Henderson told The Athletic that he would have struggled with the idea of playing against Liverpool with a new club - either in the Premier League or Europe - and viewed his move to Al-Ettifaq as the right "challenge" where he could "add value". "I wanted something that would excite me," said the 33-year-old of his move to the Saudi Pro League side, where he now works under former Liverpool team-mate Steven Gerrard. "It needed to be something that I felt as though I could add value in and do and try something new, a new challenge and for different reasons. "This opportunity with Stevie [Gerrard] in a totally different league and totally different culture was something completely different, that maybe it would excite us in terms of the project that was put in front of us, in terms of the league and using my experience to try to help with that in many different areas and feeling that people value [me]. "It’s nice to feel wanted. I know Stevie really wanted me. I know the club really wanted me to go and they wanted us to try and build over the next few years — something that is here to stay and be one of the best leagues in the world." 'I knew there were going to be new players coming in my position'..ichef.bbci.co.uk/live-experience/cps/624/cpsprodpb/vivo/live/images/2023/9/5/0c852d5b-289f-4f4e-b4ec-e97f0c206bee.jpg"There were a few things that sent alarm bells ringing," said Henderson. "I’ve got a very good relationship with [Liverpool manager] Jurgen [Klopp]. He was very honest with me. I won’t go into detail about the conversation because it’s private, but it put me in a position where I knew that I wasn’t going to be playing as much. I knew there were going to be new players coming in my position. "And if I’m not playing, as anybody will know, especially the manager, that can be quite difficult for me and especially when I’ve been at a club for so long, I’ve captained the team for so long. Especially when England’s a big thing for me. "You’ve got the Euros coming up. And then there was an approach from Al-Ettifaq to the club to see if it would be possible for me to go there. The reaction from the club again wasn’t to say no. "At that moment I felt as though my value or the want for me to stay, with the manager and within the club, maybe it had shifted. I knew that time would come at some point. I didn’t think it would be now. And I had to accept that." 'My intention was never, ever to hurt anyone'..ichef.bbci.co.uk/live-experience/cps/624/cpsprodpb/vivo/live/images/2023/9/5/e652edfa-0720-49e6-b3ac-11dfcfecfea2.jpgFinally, Jordan Henderson said that he had second thoughts when considering how his move would be viewed by LGBTQ+ people, due to the fact that Saudi Arabia criminalises homosexuality. The 33-year-old midfielder had actively campaigned in support of LGBTQ+ rights in the past, as part of his leadership role with Liverpool and England. He told The Athletic [subscription required]: "I can understand the frustration. I can understand the anger. I get it. All I can say around that is that I’m sorry that they feel like that. "My intention was never, ever to hurt anyone. My intention has always been to help causes and communities where I felt like they have asked for my help. "Now, when I was making the decision, the way that I tried to look at it was I felt as though, by myself not going, we can all bury our heads in the sand and criticise different cultures and different countries from afar. But then nothing’s going to happen. Nothing’s going to change." Henderson added: "I think people know what my views and values were before I left and still do now. And I think having someone with those views and values in Saudi Arabia is only a positive thing."
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Post by bluetornados on Sept 5, 2023 8:32:58 GMT
ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/800/cpsprodpb/a9c1/live/40bd9ed0-425b-11ee-9b58-cb80889117a8.jpgRoss: Let's not beat around the bush, Jordan. You went for the money, and left your morals behind in doing so. Don't try and play the sympathy card now please. Enjoy your time over there. Kenny, Liverpool: Thought the interview from Henderson was pathetic. You were the 33-year-old club captain, who played more minutes under Jurgen Klopp than most... why do you need the club to beg you to stay? Lost a lot of respect for him, and I feel he's tarnished his legacy (slightly). from Kenny, Liverpool Thought the interview from Henderson was pathetic. You were the 33-year-old club captain, who played more minutes under Jurgen Klopp than most... why do you need the club to beg you to stay? Lost a lot of respect for him, and I feel he's tarnished his legacy (slightly).
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Post by bluetornados on Sept 5, 2023 15:58:08 GMT
'If Salah stays I believe Liverpool can make a challenge to Man City'..
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Post by bluetornados on Sept 5, 2023 16:00:25 GMT
ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/800/cpsprodpb/a9c1/live/40bd9ed0-425b-11ee-9b58-cb80889117a8.jpgYour reaction to HendersonPaul: For Jordan Henderson to say he's hurt about criticism following his move to SA is absurd. He went for the eye-watering amount of money his was offered. Plain and simple. Issues of LGBTQ+ rights wouldn't have entered his mind, or if they did, would have been quickly forgotten when he saw the £30m plus annual salary in his contract Ben: I'm sadly unconvinced by Henderson's explanation. I get why he wanted to leave Liverpool and didn't want to play in the PL, but is he really saying his only option was to go and play in a country where the religion and culture he is not willing to challenge is explicitly at odds with his purported values? If that's true then his support for the LGBTQ community isn't as robust as he thinks it is. from Ben I'm sadly unconvinced by Henderson's explanation. I get why he wanted to leave Liverpool and didn't want to play in the PL, but is he really saying his only option was to go and play in a country where the religion and culture he is not willing to challenge is explicitly at odds with his purported values? If that's true then his support for the LGBTQ community isn't as robust as he thinks it is. Anon: Not sure the line of questioning to Jordan is required. We all have our opinions and the issue is so politicised. It's a lose-lose situation. What I will say is I am unsure how he can represent England when he knows his personal decision contradict the values of our society. Tom: There’s a lot of strange comments in that interview. We’re not that stupid Jordan, you went for money, nothing else. What is most ludicrous though is that Henderson is still picked by Southgate - he says it’s partly why he went. And this is justified by Southgate in the same press conference where he rules out Coady for playing in the Championship. Smalling has also been ignored since going to Roma. You can’t honestly tell me that the Saudi league is anywhere near the levels of Serie A or the Championship. I now don’t just question Henderson’s judgement but Southgate’s as well!
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Post by bluetornados on Sept 6, 2023 8:40:31 GMT
'I get the anger and I'm sorry'.. The papers lead with Henderson, with the former Liverpool man saying he "understands" some of the criticism. "My intention was never, ever to hurt anyone. My intention has always been to help causes and communities," Henderson told the Athletic. "I do care about different causes that I've been involved in, and different communities… I do care. And for people to criticise and say that I'd turned my back on them really, really hurt me. "All I can say is that I apologise, I'm sorry that I've made them feel that way. But I haven't changed as a person." ichef.bbci.co.uk/live-experience/cps/624/cpsprodpb/vivo/live/images/2023/9/6/fe1721f8-004d-4569-9988-0c02d4d6e5cb.jpgLiverpool's LGBTQ+ fan group Kop Outs urged Henderson to "stand by your words as a professed ally and champion of #LGBT+ rights, of women's rights and of basic human dignity" after he agreed the move to Saudi Arabia. The group has reacted to his latest interview with a post on X, formerly known as Twitter, saying: "This sounds more like an attempt to rebuild his 'brand', sorry isn't good enough, actions speak louder than words." ichef.bbci.co.uk/live-experience/cps/624/cpsprodpb/vivo/live/images/2023/9/6/0e7f735f-5947-458f-b328-84e5bdfc0667.jpgHis position at the club came under the spotlight after failing to secure a regular starting role under Jurgen Klopp in the 2022-23 campaign. The arrivals of Dominik Szoboszlai and Alexis Mac Allister early in the summer transfer window suggested the skipper's game time would continue to be limited this season, and he no longer felt secure in his position at the club. Henderson said: "If one of those people [at Liverpool] said to me, 'Now we want you to stay', then we wouldn't be having this conversation. "Now, that's not to say that they forced me out of the club or they were saying they wanted me to leave but at no point did I feel wanted by the club or anyone to stay." ichef.bbci.co.uk/onesport/cps/800/cpsprodpb/595E/production/_130987822_gettyimages-1644851843.jpgSince moving to Al-Ettifaq, Henderson has featured four times, winning three games and drawing one with his new club, but his focus this week has turned to international football after being named in Gareth Southgate's England squad for fixtures against Ukraine and Scotland. |
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Post by bluetornados on Sept 6, 2023 8:47:18 GMT
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Post by bluetornados on Sept 6, 2023 10:44:26 GMT
Henderson 'appears to be held to different standards'..On his and Adam Crafton's interview with Jordan Henderson for the Athletic, David Ornstein said:"I think to do justice to himself, in his own mind, he wanted to put himself forward and try to articulate his personal views - and they are his views, whatever we may or may not think about them. "He wasn't particularly flustered. It got intense at times because Adam Crafton, an excellent journalist and member of the LGBTQ+ community in his own right, is very well versed in all this. He would come back at Jordan Henderson, pick up on things he'd said and scrutinise them. In the moment, I felt Henderson dealt with them quite capably. There were pauses where he tried to collect his thoughts and give what he believed to be an accurate and credible answer." "Jordan Henderson has stepped forward as the most vocal supporter and advocate of LGBTQ+ rights, campaigns and causes within football in recent years. I can't think of a footballer who's been more prominent in that regard, but as a result of that he appears to be held to different standards compared to others who have gone to Saudi Arabia. "I can't think of this subject really being raised about a single other player - Ronaldo, Neymar, Benzema - but it is with Jordan Henderson because of the situation he's put himself into." ichef.bbci.co.uk/live-experience/cps/624/cpsprodpb/vivo/live/images/2023/9/6/987081d1-c818-4f4c-9c0e-659a82b7466c.jpgHenderson's 'dug an even bigger hole for himself'ESPN’s senior writer Mark Ogden has spoken to the Football Daily podcast about Jordan Henderson's interview with David Ornstein and Adam Crafton of the Athletic: "He was in a no-win situation. If I was advising Jordan Henderson, I would have kept him a million miles away from David and Adam. It's not a level playing field because, for me, he hasn't got an argument to go into the interview with, to defend himself. I knew David and Adam would not let him off the hook, and they didn't, quite rightly. "Jordan Henderson can't win in this battle. I don't think he thought it through. He's dug an even bigger hole for himself. It was a great interview to get but, for me, Jordan Henderson's come out of it really badly." Mark Ogden added: "All of us who have dealt with Jordan over the years, he is one of the good guys, and he's been vilified in many quarters recently. I think he's been quite naive in many ways. I think he's been naive to think he's going to change things in Saudi Arabia. Cristiano Ronaldo might have a chance, in terms of his profile, but with the best will in the world, Jordan Henderson is not going to make a change. "His advisers should have said to him 'if you go to Saudi Arabia, there's going to be an incredible backlash for these reasons. Are you prepared for that?' If it was spelled out in that way, I think Jordan might've thought twice about it because his reputation has been tarnished by this. "He's been painted as a bad guy when he's not, but he's made a bad decision, in terms of his past stance on things. I do have sympathy because of his naivety but I think he has to accept the criticism that comes his way." ichef.bbci.co.uk/live-experience/cps/624/cpsprodpb/vivo/live/images/2023/9/6/0d56cd69-34e5-4176-a4db-3d6f79013b20.jpgHenderson is 'taking us for fools'..Times chief football writer Henry Winter says all the good work Jordan Henderson has done for charity and society over recent years has been "tarnished" by a "naive" move to Saudi Pro League. Speaking on BBC Radio 5 Live, Winter said: "From Henderson's perspective it's a very sad but self inflicted fall from grace. "The work he has done for the NHS, Players Together, for the LGBTQ+ community with Rainbow Laces and now this. If he had gone for the money and just said that then I think people would have respected that more. He's taking us for fools. We're not naive, he's naive. "He hasn't gone there to develop the game and we can compare him to James Milner who was also coming to the end of his time at Liverpool but still wanted to play at a high level. He could have gone to Saudi but he decided no and he's not even in the England equation anymore. "How long can Henderson continue with England at that standard when he's playing a lower standard of football? Yes it's been increased with loads of players going in but it's not going to be like playing in the Premier League or Europe. "So, on many levels the hypocrisy and naivety of Henderson is outstanding. It's sad because he's done so much for football and society but his reputation is now tarnished." ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/800/cpsprodpb/a9c1/live/40bd9ed0-425b-11ee-9b58-cb80889117a8.jpgChris: Henderson's apology should fall on deaf ears. It is greed that has taken him and Gerrard to Saudi Arabia. And it is greed that has destroyed their reputation and legacy. Shame on both of them.
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