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Post by eppinggas on Aug 15, 2023 8:25:23 GMT
A very dangerous game being played out here. Early this year the odds of Trump being the Republican candidate were Evens. He is now 1-3. I would conclude that the more he is indicted, the more of a witch hunt it 'appears', and the more popular he has become amongst Republican voters. People are either bored reading about it, emboldened to give him further support, or frothing at the mouth to get Trump found guilty of something. Anything. For the record, I 100% do not want Trump to be the next President.
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Post by Nobbygas on Aug 15, 2023 9:20:39 GMT
A very dangerous game being played out here. Early this year the odds of Trump being the Republican candidate were Evens. He is now 1-3. I would conclude that the more he is indicted, the more of a witch hunt it 'appears', and the more popular he has become amongst Republican voters. People are either bored reading about it, emboldened to give him further support, or frothing at the mouth to get Trump found guilty of something. Anything. For the record, I 100% do not want Trump to be the next President. And that is the way it is ! Most of the charges against Trump in Georgia are laws that were introduced to catch Mobsters. In fact I think there are thirty other people being charged with him as Georgia are going for the 'organised crime' angle. The charges in Washington are based on a law introduced in 1870 to protect black voters from the KKK. Your comment about people 'frothing at the mouth to get Trump guilty of something, anything' is spot on. It just appears that they are scrambling through the statute books to find something, anything, no matter how obscure, in an attempt to find him guilty of something. Like you I do not want Trump to be the next President, but by their actions the prosecutor's are just helping it happen !
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Post by oldie on Aug 15, 2023 10:52:30 GMT
I really do not understand why anyone thinks the DAs', doing their job, is a dangerous game? This narrative is exactly what Trump and his insane supporters want you to repeat. You both say you don't want Trump as President but you are both repeating a false narrative, in one case getting the facts wrong and distorting the charge sheet. To wit, there 18 named people on the charge sheet plus Trump for the Georgia indictment. The charges are
"The former president is accused of the following felony counts, including:
Violating Georgia's racketeering act
Solicitation of violation of oath by public officer
Conspiracy to impersonate a public officer
Conspiracy to commit forgery in the first degree
False statements and writings and filing false documents
The indictment refers to the defendants as a "criminal organisation", accusing them of other crimes including influencing witnesses, computer trespass, theft and perjury.
The most serious charge, violating the Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act (Rico) Act, is punishable by a maximum of 20 years in prison."
To obtain an indictment the DA has to present the case to a jury overseen by judge. As I understand it this happened on Monday and the charges were passed on all counts and unanimously. At that point the judge ordered the arraignment, which I believe is to be this coming Friday.
This is proper due process after 18 months of investigation.
Are you two seriously suggesting that we should abandon the rule of law because of fear and intimidation?
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Post by Nobbygas on Aug 15, 2023 12:42:48 GMT
I really do not understand why anyone thinks the DAs', doing their job, is a dangerous game? This narrative is exactly what Trump and his insane supporters want you to repeat. You both say you don't want Trump as President but you are both repeating a false narrative, in one case getting the facts wrong and distorting the charge sheet. To wit, there 18 named people on the charge sheet plus Trump for the Georgia indictment. The charges are "The former president is accused of the following felony counts, including: Violating Georgia's racketeering act Solicitation of violation of oath by public officer Conspiracy to impersonate a public officer Conspiracy to commit forgery in the first degree False statements and writings and filing false documents The indictment refers to the defendants as a "criminal organisation", accusing them of other crimes including influencing witnesses, computer trespass, theft and perjury. The most serious charge, violating the Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act (Rico) Act, is punishable by a maximum of 20 years in prison." To obtain an indictment the DA has to present the case to a jury overseen by judge. As I understand it this happened on Monday and the charges were passed on all counts and unanimously. At that point the judge ordered the arraignment, which I believe is to be this coming Friday. This is proper due process after 18 months of investigation. Are you two seriously suggesting that we should abandon the rule of law because of fear and intimidation? "Are you two seriously suggesting that we should abandon the rule of law because of fear and intimidation?" - Nope, not at all. You do know that the charges were published online three hours before the Grand Jury made their decision? That suggests it was a foregone conclusion. Why has it taken so long for these charges to be brought to court? Nothing to do with the Presidential Campaign that is about to start? I'll make another prediction. If Trump somehow ends up in prison, he'll walk the next election!
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Post by oldie on Aug 15, 2023 12:49:48 GMT
I really do not understand why anyone thinks the DAs', doing their job, is a dangerous game? This narrative is exactly what Trump and his insane supporters want you to repeat. You both say you don't want Trump as President but you are both repeating a false narrative, in one case getting the facts wrong and distorting the charge sheet. To wit, there 18 named people on the charge sheet plus Trump for the Georgia indictment. The charges are "The former president is accused of the following felony counts, including: Violating Georgia's racketeering act Solicitation of violation of oath by public officer Conspiracy to impersonate a public officer Conspiracy to commit forgery in the first degree False statements and writings and filing false documents The indictment refers to the defendants as a "criminal organisation", accusing them of other crimes including influencing witnesses, computer trespass, theft and perjury. The most serious charge, violating the Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act (Rico) Act, is punishable by a maximum of 20 years in prison." To obtain an indictment the DA has to present the case to a jury overseen by judge. As I understand it this happened on Monday and the charges were passed on all counts and unanimously. At that point the judge ordered the arraignment, which I believe is to be this coming Friday. This is proper due process after 18 months of investigation. Are you two seriously suggesting that we should abandon the rule of law because of fear and intimidation? "Are you two seriously suggesting that we should abandon the rule of law because of fear and intimidation?" - Nope, not at all. You do know that the charges were published online three hours before the Grand Jury made their decision? That suggests it was a foregone conclusion. Why has it taken so long for these charges to be brought to court? Nothing to do with the Presidential Campaign that is about to start? I'll make another prediction. If Trump somehow ends up in prison, he'll walk the next election! These are very serious charges so it is no surprise that it took a thorough and time consuming investigation to get right. I have read that a number of people who took part in the attempt to defraud the election process have accepted a plea bargain and submitted a full testimony. That could be devastating for Trump. As far as the charges were published on a court website, yes I read that. But to me that reads like a cock up rather than some form of conspiracy. After all the charges would be in circulation within the court.
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Post by Cheshiregas on Aug 15, 2023 13:58:06 GMT
I really do not understand why anyone thinks the DAs', doing their job, is a dangerous game? This narrative is exactly what Trump and his insane supporters want you to repeat. You both say you don't want Trump as President but you are both repeating a false narrative, in one case getting the facts wrong and distorting the charge sheet. To wit, there 18 named people on the charge sheet plus Trump for the Georgia indictment. The charges are "The former president is accused of the following felony counts, including: Violating Georgia's racketeering act Solicitation of violation of oath by public officer Conspiracy to impersonate a public officer Conspiracy to commit forgery in the first degree False statements and writings and filing false documents The indictment refers to the defendants as a "criminal organisation", accusing them of other crimes including influencing witnesses, computer trespass, theft and perjury. The most serious charge, violating the Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act (Rico) Act, is punishable by a maximum of 20 years in prison." To obtain an indictment the DA has to present the case to a jury overseen by judge. As I understand it this happened on Monday and the charges were passed on all counts and unanimously. At that point the judge ordered the arraignment, which I believe is to be this coming Friday. This is proper due process after 18 months of investigation. Are you two seriously suggesting that we should abandon the rule of law because of fear and intimidation? "Are you two seriously suggesting that we should abandon the rule of law because of fear and intimidation?" - Nope, not at all. You do know that the charges were published online three hours before the Grand Jury made their decision? That suggests it was a foregone conclusion. Why has it taken so long for these charges to be brought to court? Nothing to do with the Presidential Campaign that is about to start? I'll make another prediction. If Trump somehow ends up in prison, he'll walk the next election! I believe if he ends up in prison he will be excluded from standing. Also he is getting very favourable treatment. The system has trod softly softly with Trump precisely because, as you suggest, people will see him as a martyr rather than someone who tried to pervert the democratic system and override the Constitution of the USA. Much the same as Johnson rode roughshod over the UK unwritten constitution as he knew there were few consequences.
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Post by Nobbygas on Aug 15, 2023 15:05:47 GMT
"Are you two seriously suggesting that we should abandon the rule of law because of fear and intimidation?" - Nope, not at all. You do know that the charges were published online three hours before the Grand Jury made their decision? That suggests it was a foregone conclusion. Why has it taken so long for these charges to be brought to court? Nothing to do with the Presidential Campaign that is about to start? I'll make another prediction. If Trump somehow ends up in prison, he'll walk the next election! I believe if he ends up in prison he will be excluded from standing. Also he is getting very favourable treatment. The system has trod softly softly with Trump precisely because, as you suggest, people will see him as a martyr rather than someone who tried to pervert the democratic system and override the Constitution of the USA. Much the same as Johnson rode roughshod over the UK unwritten constitution as he knew there were few consequences. "I believe if he ends up in prison he will be excluded from standing." - Unfortunately not. He can still stand. Unless they can dig out another law from say, 1860 that will stop that. I don't think being impeached twice (cleared twice) and having about 7 different lawsuits being fired at him can be called treating him softly.
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Post by oldie on Aug 15, 2023 18:37:08 GMT
I believe if he ends up in prison he will be excluded from standing. Also he is getting very favourable treatment. The system has trod softly softly with Trump precisely because, as you suggest, people will see him as a martyr rather than someone who tried to pervert the democratic system and override the Constitution of the USA. Much the same as Johnson rode roughshod over the UK unwritten constitution as he knew there were few consequences. "I believe if he ends up in prison he will be excluded from standing." - Unfortunately not. He can still stand. Unless they can dig out another law from say, 1860 that will stop that. I don't think being impeached twice (cleared twice) and having about 7 different lawsuits being fired at him can be called treating him softly. Sarcasm, fortunately, is not law. "Many Trump critics — and some legal scholars, including two conservative law professors in a new article — argue that Mr. Trump should be disqualified from holding office under Section 3 of the 14th Amendment, which is aimed at anyone who “engaged in insurrection or rebellion” after taking an oath to support the Constitution." Right there, and he did. Let's see if a Jury agrees.
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Post by trymer on Aug 15, 2023 18:49:15 GMT
I hope that Trump becomes president again,partly because the World was a better place when he was president before but mainly because it will upset all the bed wetters again just like Brexit still does !
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Post by oldie on Aug 16, 2023 10:54:52 GMT
I hope that Trump becomes president again,partly because the World was a better place when he was president before but mainly because it will upset all the bed wetters again just like Brexit still does ! A contribution to the discussion representative of the lowest common denominator.
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Post by Cheshiregas on Aug 16, 2023 14:45:08 GMT
I hope that Trump becomes president again,partly because the World was a better place when he was president before but mainly because it will upset all the bed wetters again just like Brexit still does ! A contribution to the discussion representative of the lowest common denominator. Once the insults of the opposition start to flow, there are people clutching at straws..... How very Trump and Tory like.
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Post by oldie on Aug 16, 2023 18:46:51 GMT
A contribution to the discussion representative of the lowest common denominator. Once the insults of the opposition start to flow, there are people clutching at straws..... How very Trump and Tory like. Indeed.
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Post by eppinggas on Aug 18, 2023 10:22:32 GMT
If Trump does get found guilty of something (anything, anything, trawl the statute book back to 1776 for Goodness sake)... then he will be seen as a martyr. This will surely polarise US politics still further, which is not good for anyone. Is it really worth stoking the fires of hatred and intolerance just to see Trump found guilty? Is this really a price worth paying? Question for the frothy mouthed to answer.
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Post by oldie on Aug 18, 2023 11:39:59 GMT
If Trump does get found guilty of something (anything, anything, trawl the statute book back to 1776 for Goodness sake)... then he will be seen as a martyr. This will surely polarise US politics still further, which is not good for anyone. Is it really worth stoking the fires of hatred and intolerance just to see Trump found guilty? Is this really a price worth paying? . "Question for the frothy mouthed to answer" I thought he had been banned?🤔🤔 More seriously, should we not prosecute people who break the law out of fear of political repercussions?
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Post by Cheshiregas on Aug 18, 2023 13:03:49 GMT
If Trump does get found guilty of something (anything, anything, trawl the statute book back to 1776 for Goodness sake)... then he will be seen as a martyr. This will surely polarise US politics still further, which is not good for anyone. Is it really worth stoking the fires of hatred and intolerance just to see Trump found guilty? Is this really a price worth paying? Question for the frothy mouthed to answer. Trump and his ilk are very dangerous individuals. Their constant threats - Trump has said to the juries that he will come after them - woman arrested yesterday for planning attacks on jurors, judges and representatives - and not just a threat to individuals but a threat to the foundations of democracy. The trouble is that the system is hamstrung by the fact it follows the rules, Trump doesn't. And behind Trump are others who want to take democracy captive both in the US, UK and elsewhere. And as they tend to be the wealthiest individuals around they have made considerable headway over the last 15 years. The attacks by the Mail, Express and Telegraph on Judges, 'lefty lawyers', the ECHR, refugees, etc are all reflective of what's happening in the US.
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Post by oldie on Aug 18, 2023 14:19:18 GMT
If Trump does get found guilty of something (anything, anything, trawl the statute book back to 1776 for Goodness sake)... then he will be seen as a martyr. This will surely polarise US politics still further, which is not good for anyone. Is it really worth stoking the fires of hatred and intolerance just to see Trump found guilty? Is this really a price worth paying? Question for the frothy mouthed to answer. Trump and his ilk are very dangerous individuals. Their constant threats - Trump has said to the juries that he will come after them - woman arrested yesterday for planning attacks on jurors, judges and representatives - and not just a threat to individuals but a threat to the foundations of democracy. The trouble is that the system is hamstrung by the fact it follows the rules, Trump doesn't. And behind Trump are others who want to take democracy captive both in the US, UK and elsewhere. And as they tend to be the wealthiest individuals around they have made considerable headway over the last 15 years. The attacks by the Mail, Express and Telegraph on Judges, 'lefty lawyers', the ECHR, refugees, etc are all reflective of what's happening in the US. Yep "The attacks by the Mail, Express and Telegraph on Judges, 'lefty lawyers', the ECHR, refugees, etc are all reflective of what's happening in the US. " And repeated so often on this forum
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Post by oldie on Aug 18, 2023 18:27:37 GMT
If Trump does get found guilty of something (anything, anything, trawl the statute book back to 1776 for Goodness sake)... then he will be seen as a martyr. This will surely polarise US politics still further, which is not good for anyone. Is it really worth stoking the fires of hatred and intolerance just to see Trump found guilty? Is this really a price worth paying? Question for the frothy mouthed to answer. And, your response is??
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Post by oldie on Aug 18, 2023 21:33:15 GMT
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Post by lostinspace on Aug 27, 2023 14:42:19 GMT
FOLLOWING his arrest on Thursday of this week, his "scowling face mugshot" has been printed out and used as a fundraiser for the clown, his rather dumb followers have spent in the region of $7.1 million dollars on it... unbelievable jeff,, don't know wether to laugh at them for their stupidity .....or cry at their stupidity
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Post by lostinspace on Dec 1, 2023 18:23:03 GMT
Well Trump fan and New York Republican, George Santos has now been expelled from The House of Representatives on further fraudulent charges,he had previously survived two previous attempts to oust him,already facing 23 criminal charges in 2024 relating to fraudulent use of party funds,not looking good on the Republican cause at the moment .. Santos claims these are slanderous claims against him ..sounds very Trumpesque !! 😊
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