Cheshiregas
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Post by Cheshiregas on Aug 5, 2023 18:22:09 GMT
"She was not just imprisoned for having an abortion. It was for procuring at home pills from the HNS after the 10 week limit [for such issue] and causing an abortion after the statutory legal limit [she was estimated at 32 to 34 weeks] at such time that babies have been viable. The legal limit is 24 weeks, although where life is endangered can be after that." Legally correct. But whether we like it or not the decision on abortion, one which I have fortunately not had to make, is a decision for the individual not the State. As is the taking of one's own life with the help of a loved one. This quasi religious/moral oversight needs to be revoked completely. In my humble and atheist opinion. I appreciate that it is a legalistic one but there comes a point where we have to say that a life is viable [from a time perspective] or we end up effectively euthanising life which is viable. Should we go to the day before birth for termination? That is a practical viewpoint not a religious viewpoint. With regard to taking one's life, my view is that a person is entitled to determine how they end their own life. Whilst I am a person of a certain faith, in my time as a volunteer with the Samaritans my view changed having spoken to people whose lives had been so abysmal from a physical, mental, and/or emotional viewpoint that I recognised that each person has the entitlement to make their own decision on their future. I have shared the last moments of people who were in the process of ending their their lives and it is a very deeply personal experience. That said, if we go down the route of legalised euthanasia we must have safeguards in place to protect people. The Liverpool Pathway which was meant to be a half way house was a disaster as doctors and medical people were withdrawing meds often without consultation and sometimes with pressure from family. It must be the individual's decision not that of those who pressure or decide against the best interests of the individual for their own reasons whether professional or personal.
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Post by oldie on Aug 11, 2023 16:52:02 GMT
No Oldie, of course it's nothing to do with the Democrats, no siree 😀😀😀 Has this anything to do with the Democratic Party?? "In October 2022, investigators gathered sufficient evidence to charge Biden with tax and gun purchase crimes By April 2023, prosecutors were considering four charges: two misdemeanor counts for failure to file taxes, a single felony count of tax evasion, and a charge related to a gun purchase." Go on. 😂😂😂 Has this anything to do with democrats? BBC News - Special counsel to investigate President Biden's son Hunter www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-66480353It's all a conspiracy I tell you.
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Post by Nobbygas on Aug 12, 2023 5:44:31 GMT
Because, as with Nixon, when the evidence is overwhelming they have to take action.
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Post by oldie on Aug 12, 2023 5:58:54 GMT
Because, as with Nixon, when the evidence is overwhelming they have to take action. And the evidence against Trump is not(overwhelming)??
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Post by Nobbygas on Aug 13, 2023 7:03:09 GMT
Because, as with Nixon, when the evidence is overwhelming they have to take action. And the evidence against Trump is not(overwhelming)?? What has he been found guilty of? Seriously.
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Post by oldie on Aug 13, 2023 10:00:41 GMT
And the evidence against Trump is not(overwhelming)?? What has he been found guilty of? Seriously. Nothing, as yet. Like Hunter Biden he has been indicted and is facing a full court trial on several counts. We shall see what the court decides.
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Post by Nobbygas on Aug 14, 2023 7:18:05 GMT
What has he been found guilty of? Seriously. Nothing, as yet. Like Hunter Biden he has been indicted and is facing a full court trial on several counts. We shall see what the court decides. How many times as he been indicted? How many times has he been impeached? How many times has he had to face a full Federal Inquiry ie. Russian collusion? How many times has he been found guilty?
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Post by oldie on Aug 14, 2023 7:38:40 GMT
Nothing, as yet. Like Hunter Biden he has been indicted and is facing a full court trial on several counts. We shall see what the court decides. How many times as he been indicted? How many times has he been impeached? How many times has he had to face a full Federal Inquiry ie. Russian collusion? How many times has he been found guilty? To this date, I am not aware of Trump standing in the dock facing charges in a court of law and being subject of a trial by jury. That is to come and we shall see.
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Post by Nobbygas on Aug 14, 2023 7:42:37 GMT
How many times as he been indicted? How many times has he been impeached? How many times has he had to face a full Federal Inquiry ie. Russian collusion? How many times has he been found guilty? To this date, I am not aware of Trump standing in the dock facing charges in a court of law and being subject of a trial by jury. That is to come and we shall see. I'll be surprised if this even get to court.
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Cheshiregas
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Post by Cheshiregas on Aug 14, 2023 7:48:01 GMT
Nothing, as yet. Like Hunter Biden he has been indicted and is facing a full court trial on several counts. We shall see what the court decides. How many times as he been indicted? How many times has he been impeached? How many times has he had to face a full Federal Inquiry ie. Russian collusion? How many times has he been found guilty? If you mean Trump, 3 indictments, 1 more due. BBC says 40 charges [Bloomberg reckons 78]. www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-61084161Hunter Biden is charged with twice failing to pay over $100,000 in income tax. The amounts stem from over $1.5 million in taxable income Biden received in 2017 and again in 2018, according to the court papers. Third is also a gun charge. Are you saying that charges to change the course of democracy in the USA have the equivalence as failure to pay taxes and a gun charge where a similar case has recently been dismissed?
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Post by oldie on Aug 14, 2023 7:50:14 GMT
To this date, I am not aware of Trump standing in the dock facing charges in a court of law and being subject of a trial by jury. That is to come and we shall see. I'll be surprised if this even get to court.  Which one? The inappropriate and potentially illegal handling of government documents? Or incitement to insurrection that led to the death of law enforcement officers? Or the attempt to corrupt the voting process in Georgia?
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Post by oldie on Aug 14, 2023 7:51:48 GMT
How many times as he been indicted? How many times has he been impeached? How many times has he had to face a full Federal Inquiry ie. Russian collusion? How many times has he been found guilty? If you mean Trump, 3 indictments, 1 more due. BBC says 40 charges [Bloomberg reckons 78]. www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-61084161Hunter Biden is charged with twice failing to pay over $100,000 in income tax. The amounts stem from over $1.5 million in taxable income Biden received in 2017 and again in 2018, according to the court papers. Third is also a gun charge. Are you saying that charges to change the course of democracy in the USA have the equivalence as failure to pay taxes and a gun charge where a similar case has recently been dismissed? It's all conspiracy I tell you🤔😂😂😂
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Post by Nobbygas on Aug 14, 2023 12:36:15 GMT
How many times as he been indicted? How many times has he been impeached? How many times has he had to face a full Federal Inquiry ie. Russian collusion? How many times has he been found guilty? If you mean Trump, 3 indictments, 1 more due. BBC says 40 charges [Bloomberg reckons 78]. www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-61084161Hunter Biden is charged with twice failing to pay over $100,000 in income tax. The amounts stem from over $1.5 million in taxable income Biden received in 2017 and again in 2018, according to the court papers. Third is also a gun charge. Are you saying that charges to change the course of democracy in the USA have the equivalence as failure to pay taxes and a gun charge where a similar case has recently been dismissed?Not saying that at all Terry. Young Biden has got away with it so far because who his father is. Let's see in court if the truth comes out about the identity of "the big man" he often refers to in his crooked e-mails. Trump will get off those charges you mentioned. Have you read the charges? They are all to do with what he was thinking, not what he did. There is no way that will stand up. You cannot convict someone based on what you think they were thinking. and every time a Democrat prosecutor dreams up more charges against Trump, the more votes Trump will receive.
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Post by Nobbygas on Aug 14, 2023 12:39:39 GMT
I'll be surprised if this even get to court. Which one? The inappropriate and potentially illegal handling of government documents? Or incitement to insurrection that led to the death of law enforcement officers? Or the attempt to corrupt the voting process in Georgia? "The inappropriate and potentially illegal handling of government documents?" - Once again, read the charges. Biden also had documents piled up in his garage. The difference is a technicality over the way the documents were handed back to the authorities. "Or incitement to insurrection that led to the death of law enforcement officers?" - Have you read the charges? "Or the attempt to corrupt the voting process in Georgia?" - Same again. Have you read the charges?
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Cheshiregas
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Post by Cheshiregas on Aug 14, 2023 12:52:43 GMT
If you mean Trump, 3 indictments, 1 more due. BBC says 40 charges [Bloomberg reckons 78]. www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-61084161Hunter Biden is charged with twice failing to pay over $100,000 in income tax. The amounts stem from over $1.5 million in taxable income Biden received in 2017 and again in 2018, according to the court papers. Third is also a gun charge. Are you saying that charges to change the course of democracy in the USA have the equivalence as failure to pay taxes and a gun charge where a similar case has recently been dismissed?Not saying that at all Terry. Young Biden has got away with it so far because who his father is. Let's see in court if the truth comes out about the identity of "the big man" he often refers to in his crooked e-mails. Trump will get off those charges you mentioned. Have you read the charges? They are all to do with what he was thinking, not what he did. There is no way that will stand up. You cannot convict someone based on what you think they were thinking. and every time a Democrat prosecutor dreams up more charges against Trump, the more votes Trump will receive. You do realise that it is a Republican prosecutor for Biden Jnr and he hasn't got away with anything. He has admitted the tax charges.... If you are saying Democrats in the Judiciary are biased then the same stands for Republicans, you can't have it both ways Nobby! Didn't realise you were that close to the US judiciary that you already know the outcome of the 4 indictments - impressive!
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Post by oldie on Aug 14, 2023 13:11:25 GMT
Not saying that at all Terry. Young Biden has got away with it so far because who his father is. Let's see in court if the truth comes out about the identity of "the big man" he often refers to in his crooked e-mails. Trump will get off those charges you mentioned. Have you read the charges? They are all to do with what he was thinking, not what he did. There is no way that will stand up. You cannot convict someone based on what you think they were thinking. and every time a Democrat prosecutor dreams up more charges against Trump, the more votes Trump will receive. You do realise that it is a Republican prosecutor for Biden Jnr and he hasn't got away with anything. He has admitted the tax charges.... If you are saying Democrats in the Judiciary are biased then the same stands for Republicans, you can't have it both ways Nobby! Didn't realise you were that close to the US judiciary that you already know the outcome of the 4 indictments - impressive! You beat me to it Cheshire "Didn't realise you were that close to the US judiciary that you already know the outcome of the 4 indictments - impressive!"
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Post by Nobbygas on Aug 14, 2023 14:27:17 GMT
Not saying that at all Terry. Young Biden has got away with it so far because who his father is. Let's see in court if the truth comes out about the identity of "the big man" he often refers to in his crooked e-mails. Trump will get off those charges you mentioned. Have you read the charges? They are all to do with what he was thinking, not what he did. There is no way that will stand up. You cannot convict someone based on what you think they were thinking. and every time a Democrat prosecutor dreams up more charges against Trump, the more votes Trump will receive. You do realise that it is a Republican prosecutor for Biden Jnr and he hasn't got away with anything. He has admitted the tax charges.... If you are saying Democrats in the Judiciary are biased then the same stands for Republicans, you can't have it both ways Nobby! Didn't realise you were that close to the US judiciary that you already know the outcome of the 4 indictments - impressive! "If you are saying Democrats in the Judiciary are biased then the same stands for Republicans, you can't have it both ways Nobby!" - You've missed what I wrote in the thread earlier. A can of worms has been opened by the Democrats in the way they have gone after Trump. The next Republican President will certainly return the favour, and the overall effect is not good for democracy in the US. I don't know the outcome. I do know though that the charges are very thin. For example, the charges around the Capitol Hill issue are based on a law passed in 1870 to protect black voters. Other charges are related to what Trump was thinking. Good luck getting a prosecution with that!
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Post by oldie on Aug 14, 2023 14:39:18 GMT
One of the actual indictments, this one in relation to Jan 6
Conspiracy to defraud the United States, by attempting to overturn a legitimate election.
Conspiracy to obstruct an official proceeding, by attempting to stop the electoral certification on Jan. 6, 2021.
Obstruction of and attempt to obstruct an official proceeding. (See above.)
Conspiracy against rights, by attempting to overturn voters' rightful decision in 2020. This charge comes from a 19th-century post-Civil War law.
Let's see what the jury decides
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Post by oldie on Aug 14, 2023 16:26:26 GMT
In the meantime
" "I am reading reports that failed former Lt. Governor of Georgia, Jeff Duncan, will be testifying before the Fulton County Grand Jury," Trump wrote on his Truth Social account on Monday.
"He shouldn't. I barely know him but he was, right from the beginning of this Witch Hunt, a nasty disaster for those looking into the Election Fraud that took place in Georgia." Duncan, who criticized Trump's false election fraud claims in 2020, said Saturday that he had been told to appear Tuesday before the Fulton County grand jury. "Republicans should never let honesty be mistaken for weakness," he wrote in a post on X."
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Post by oldie on Aug 15, 2023 4:10:51 GMT
And then
"Prosecutors in Georgia have charged Donald Trump and 18 others in a 41-count indictment for attempting to overturn his 2020 election loss in the state An investigation was sparked in part by a leaked phone call where the former president asked Georgia's top election official to 'find 11,780 votes' Trump lost the state of Georgia to Joe Biden in the 2020 presidential election This is Trump's fourth criminal indictment - he faces 78 criminal charges from the three other cases The former president has already been indicted over allegations of 2020 election interference, hush money paid to a porn star, and for hoarding classified documents"
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