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Post by eppinggas on Mar 15, 2023 9:45:51 GMT
Begs the question. Why are Rovers spending time and money building 'near perfect pitches' at the Quarters, when those conditions are not replicated at the Memorial Stadium? Who is ultimately responsible? Answer. Not Barton. Defo not Barton. Never is. Interesting comment. ‘look if that pitch doesn’t get fixed, I’m going to have to recruit completely differently to what I want to do’,” Barton said. “To the point where I’m like, it almost might be better bringing in another coach" Sounds like a threat. Either fix the pitch (I presume in the close season to replicate the Quarters), Or give me a huge cheque to rebuild the side, Or I'm off.
Hope springs eternal.
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Post by eppinggas on Mar 15, 2023 9:51:55 GMT
Edit: Doesn't the pitch get re-laid every season? Who did it last year? Will they be fired? Bristolian accent and they're out the door. Apparently there are some fantastic groundsmen available in the north west.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2023 10:04:42 GMT
Begs the question. Why are Rovers spending time and money building 'near perfect pitches' at the Quarters, when those conditions are not replicated at the Memorial Stadium? Who is ultimately responsible? Answer. Not Barton. Defo not Barton. Never is. Interesting comment. ‘look if that pitch doesn’t get fixed, I’m going to have to recruit completely differently to what I want to do’,” Barton said. “To the point where I’m like, it almost might be better bringing in another coach" Sounds like a threat. Either fix the pitch (I presume in the close season to replicate the Quarters), Or give me a huge cheque to rebuild the side, Or I'm off. Hope springs eternal. It does sound like a threat, that pitch is more than suitable for visiting sides that move the ball along the ground. The attack on Collins absolutely stinks, the bloke runs his bollocks off trying feed off scraps at the moment. A manager definitely under pressure verbally lashing out to cover his own mounting failures.
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Post by baselswh on Mar 15, 2023 10:17:23 GMT
When the field of play was smooth Joe was happy and said so.
Now it's dropped in standard he's not happy with it and said so.
Consistent.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2023 10:56:14 GMT
When the field of play was smooth Joe was happy and said so. Now it's dropped in standard he's not happy with it and said so. Consistent. Hi Bas, it’s an excuse Bas, we were knocking the ball around and creating chances along the floor right up until Wycombe scored, along the floor. The ball didn’t bobble at all when Bogarde turned back straight into a tackle which Gordon regularly does as well. Wycombe, Barnsley, Burton, Ipswich all played without difficulty. To see a Wycombe player run 80 yards down the right comfortably controlling the ball leading to their second goal completely undermines Barton’s complaint. More worrying for me is the attack on Collins after the game, the latest in an increasing number of these ‘dirty washing’ outbursts that should be kept behind closed doors.
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Post by chelt_gas on Mar 15, 2023 11:04:58 GMT
I just can’t warm to the guy.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Mar 15, 2023 11:40:55 GMT
I just can’t warm to the guy. He says exactly what he wants as he, basically, know that he will never get sacked. I very rarely read his comments as they are always excuse laden. I would love Wael to call his bluff on this but i very much doubt he would. Looks like we are going to have to put up and shut up, that is unless Barton walks. I have said this before, to leave and stay in football , he would need HIS team to do better though and he is not exactly going about that in a motivational manner eh. I cannot imagine how it would feel to have a manager who could pick you out, at any given time. Is he trying to lower bids on Collins ffs. Maybe a part of his master plan to try to keep him lol. Hard to believe Wycombe are now the club in ascendancy.
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Post by CabbagePatchBlues on Mar 15, 2023 11:45:28 GMT
Wycombe played the perfect tactical away game and without any of their previous manager's s**thousery overkill. They look a decent side.
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Post by oldie on Mar 15, 2023 12:20:17 GMT
Edit: Doesn't the pitch get re-laid every season? Who did it last year? Will they be fired? Bristolian accent and they're out the door. Apparently there are some fantastic groundsmen available in the north west. 😂😂😂😂
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Mar 15, 2023 12:23:29 GMT
Just got back.
Take a bow, Mr Hanlon. Probably as good as a run the front line performance as jch.... dangerous, energetic and gave our defence a torrid time. And, respectful in his gracious victory over our defence.
I'm not saying we quite have to go back to drawing board, but if you make 2 simple mistakes for both goals, you're going to get punished. And punishment was dealt out ruthlessly.
Lost possession when trying to play out for the first. Bogarde not his fault per se was always gonna happen.
No grant ward stop cross, or Quansah Gibs Bogarde marking for the simple header.
In truth, Wycombe were well drilled at the back, our diagonal crossing was too easy to deal with and their defence lapped it up all night.
In truth, Wycombe were either first to the ball strongly, or made the second ball challenge count. We struggled to complete. But we still had our chances and half chances....a post hit from header (loft?) and John Marquis found space for himself a couple of times but just couldn't finish.
This match was a stark reminder we have aot of work to do.
It also served to tell us some of our players are sometimes naive and hesitant in possession.... something which was highlighted by the pressing of Wycombe as a team unit.
We weren't as concise in our attack formula, even though the Collons-Coburn-Sinclair alliance showed promise in first half, so we can play.... maybe just not as consistently and precise enough to warrant any serious challenge this year.
It is encouraging, though.
Ref got most things correct which made a nice change, and Wycombe refrained from over egging the timewasting pudding...but here's some more truth: they didn't really need to. They were better than us on the night and no complaints...
We move on to a different animal in the form of Pompeii. Potential explosions lie dormant for a Saturday sensation!(?)
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Post by oldie on Mar 15, 2023 12:27:03 GMT
Joey Barton makes shock Bristol Rovers transfer claim amid strong criticism of Mem pitch..Joey Barton claims the playing surface at the Mem is becoming such an issue he’s told Bristol Rovers owner Wael Al-Qadi and CEO Tom Gorringe he may have to adapt his summer transfer plans and coaching style due to its perceived inconsistency. For the second home game in a row Barton was critical of the pitch in BS7 claiming Lamare Bogarde’s error, as he mis-controlled a pass in midfield to allow Brandon Hanlan to score the opener in a 2-0 win for Wycombe Wanderers, was the result of a bobble rather than a momentary technical mistake by the Dutch teenager. Having declared after the 0-0 draw against Barnsley last week that it wasn’t up to standard and suited the Tykes' more direct approach, it continues to irritate Barton as he brought it up twice in his post-match press conference when discussing Rovers’ poor home form in 2023. The Gas haven’t won at the Mem since Cheltenham Town on New Year’s Day, losing four games and drawing two in all competitions, and while the manager admits there are other factors behind that run, it could have much greater consequences for his squad moving forward. “I’ve spoken to Tom and the owner about the pitch saying, ‘look if that pitch doesn’t get fixed, I’m going to have to recruit completely differently to what I want to do’,” Barton said. “To the point where I’m like, it almost might be better bringing in another coach in; somebody who doesn’t need grass who just wants to go back to front relatively quickly. “Because if the pitch doesn’t get resolved, as you’ve seen tonight, we’ve played a squad pass in there, it’s hit a bobble and it’s put the opposition through one-on-one. I know that does happen from time to time but I want to build a team that controls the ball. “Last year, in League Two, we had a better pitch than we have in League One. They tell me there’s problems with the drainage, stuff’s collapsed… I don’t know but we’ve got an owner who spends a lot of money on the facilities, we’ve got lots of grounds people but yet our training pitches are better than our matchday pitches and that is not acceptable. “To the point where I might have to change how I recruit in the summer and the style of football we play because of the surface that we’re going to play on, there’s no point us playing 23 games. I’m building a team to control the ball. We play 23 on a surface we control that is not conducive to the way we want to play.” Barton emphasised that his views around the pitch were not the primary reason Rovers were beaten by a Wycombe side he didn’t appear overly impressed by, citing his side’s profligacy in front of goal and their “soft” underbelly in the face of the Chairboys’ physicality. But the fact it continues to be a bone of contention for the manager indicates a growing issue in which there may not be a quick fix, with just five home games remaining in the 2022/23 campaign before the annual maintenance work after the conclusion of the season. Rovers’ ground staff were declared the best in League One by the EFL for the 2018/19 campaign after successfully addressing a long period where the Mem surface was lambasted for its unevenness and propensity to cut up, particularly by former manager Darrell Clarke. That debate unfortunately looks to be returning as Barton’s frustrations have been amplified by the fact direct sides such as Barnsley and now Wycombe have benefitted from playing at the Mem, where the opposite should be true. “You’ll get all the people saying, ‘oh, what’s his excuse this time? It’s not the ref, it’s the pitch’ but you’re asking me a question and I’m giving you an answer: is the pitch the reason we got beat tonight? No, absolutely not. Is it a mitigating circumstance to the first goal and goals change games, yeah, you have to look at that bobble and think it is,” Barton added. “You’ve watched Lamare play in recent weeks, he very rarely gives it away. If you watch the ball, it hits a bobble, hits his other foot and then puts Hanlan in for the first goal. “We need to get to the bottom of it because if we want to get promoted out of this division, my teams usually have the ball, build through. I can coach a different way, I played a different way so it’s no problem for me. But I don’t want to do it because I believe I can do it a different way. "It’s a lot easier to strip this back and go route one but it means I’ll have to recruit completely differently in terms of personnel and we’ll be in the market for Wycombe-type players who can handle the physicality.” footballgroundguide.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/bristol-rovers-fc-memorial-ground-1420563336.jpg Absolute bollocks, Wycombe weren’t hoofing it we were. For the first 10 minutes we were moving the ball sweetly and quite frankly should have scored at least once if not twice. The first goal was down to pissing around at the back, the second to allowing their player to run 80 yards down the right unchallenged. Barton is starting to become unhinged, his ‘revolutionary’ style of play is too wide open leaving players at the back struggling to deal with overloads down the sides. Instead of excuses and strange confrontations with players he should be learning the lessons and adjusting his tactics to recognise that his stock in trade of bust a gut running is not the answer. And pigs might fly. After a quiet couple of weeks I was hoping he had learned to keep his mouth shut. But no, here we go again. Pathetic
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Post by baselswh on Mar 15, 2023 13:05:31 GMT
When the field of play was smooth Joe was happy and said so. Now it's dropped in standard he's not happy with it and said so. Consistent. Hi Bas, it’s an excuse Bas, we were knocking the ball around and creating chances along the floor right up until Wycombe scored, along the floor. The ball didn’t bobble at all when Bogarde turned back straight into a tackle which Gordon regularly does as well. Wycombe, Barnsley, Burton, Ipswich all played without difficulty. To see a Wycombe player run 80 yards down the right comfortably controlling the ball leading to their second goal completely undermines Barton’s complaint. More worrying for me is the attack on Collins after the game, the latest in an increasing number of these ‘dirty washing’ outbursts that should be kept behind closed doors. Alright Steptoe,I've looked at Bogarde miscontrolling the ball a few times and I can't see a bobble,but that does'nt mean there was'nt one. I think perhaps JB was doing abit of blarney so our young Villa loanee does'nt feel bad.Possibly a word at the Quartets? Anyway,at worst a miscontrol that led to WWFC scoring. A young talented player made a mistake. Bogarde,reminds me of John McGovern,runs like him and plays the same way. Agreed,if our finishing had been better we might of won. Plenty of young players,still finding their way in what is a high quality division.At least the top ten or so. The squad know JBs ways.Collins will now try even harder and if he continues to take in JBs advice he'll make a Wales squad. JB sounds off now and again,it's his style and personally I don't see it as a problem at all.
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Post by Bamber Gashead on Mar 15, 2023 13:15:48 GMT
Wycombe played the perfect tactical away game and without any of their previous manager's s**thousery overkill. They look a decent side. Agreed. They reminded me a bit of us under GC - effective, but not pretty.
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Post by lostinspace on Mar 15, 2023 14:01:44 GMT
Hi Bas, it’s an excuse Bas, we were knocking the ball around and creating chances along the floor right up until Wycombe scored, along the floor. The ball didn’t bobble at all when Bogarde turned back straight into a tackle which Gordon regularly does as well. Wycombe, Barnsley, Burton, Ipswich all played without difficulty. To see a Wycombe player run 80 yards down the right comfortably controlling the ball leading to their second goal completely undermines Barton’s complaint. More worrying for me is the attack on Collins after the game, the latest in an increasing number of these ‘dirty washing’ outbursts that should be kept behind closed doors. Alright Steptoe,I've looked at Bogarde miscontrolling the ball a few times and I can't see a bobble,but that does'nt mean there was'nt one. I think perhaps JB was doing abit of blarney so our young Villa loanee does'nt feel bad.Possibly a word at the Quartets? Anyway,at worst a miscontrol that led to WWFC scoring. A young talented player made a mistake. Bogarde,reminds me of John McGovern,runs like him and plays the same way. Agreed,if our finishing had been better we might of won. Plenty of young players,still finding their way in what is a high quality division.At least the top ten or so. The squad know JBs ways.Collins will now try even harder and if he continues to take in JBs advice he'll make a Wales squad. JB sounds off now and again,it's his style and personally I don't see it as a problem at all. Take the blinkers off Bas....just try and stop defending the geezer,,, he has wasted this season with his " experiments and it's all down to the grass is too long too green or someone's boots are laced up wrong.....the group . Odyssey come to mind here " looking for a way out" ...well " I won't stand in your way" ....
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Post by baselswh on Mar 15, 2023 14:36:23 GMT
Alright Steptoe,I've looked at Bogarde miscontrolling the ball a few times and I can't see a bobble,but that does'nt mean there was'nt one. I think perhaps JB was doing abit of blarney so our young Villa loanee does'nt feel bad.Possibly a word at the Quartets? Anyway,at worst a miscontrol that led to WWFC scoring. A young talented player made a mistake. Bogarde,reminds me of John McGovern,runs like him and plays the same way. Agreed,if our finishing had been better we might of won. Plenty of young players,still finding their way in what is a high quality division.At least the top ten or so. The squad know JBs ways.Collins will now try even harder and if he continues to take in JBs advice he'll make a Wales squad. JB sounds off now and again,it's his style and personally I don't see it as a problem at all. Take the blinkers off Bas....just try and stop defending the geezer,,, he has wasted this season with his " experiments and it's all down to the grass is too long too green or someone's boots are laced up wrong.....the group . Odyssey come to mind here " looking for a way out" ...well " I won't stand in your way" .... 🙂 LIS,I think this season has been a success because JB and players are learning about this high standard 3rd tier. JB has complimented groudstaff and the Mem field before.He is now telling us it's not up to scratch. I can't remember but did he mention the pitch after the Barnsley draw? I imagine WAQ will get on the case and come ko next season,we'll have a lovely playing surface once more. I don't think JB is looking for a way out at all.A manager and man like himself, speaking after a home defeat, adrenalin pumping ain't necessarily going to be at their most diplomatic. Quite right to. I just see last night as par for the course of a season and i"m looking forward to giving Pompey a good game Saturday.
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Post by rufustfirefly on Mar 15, 2023 14:41:00 GMT
If Barton has to ask if Collins was on the park he wasn't watching the same game as me....prior to WW taking the lead Collins fed Corburn with two exceptional balls that carved the defence wide open.......Coburn didn't convert from the Collins 'would be' assists.
Perhaps it wasn't the Welsh mans most accomplished performance but did he deserve the gob $hite rocket for one powder puff challenge in the air?
The problem was neither Collins or the pitch it was the plan B introduced in the second 45 by Barton who claims he says it how he sees it.
The previous Saturday a victory was won on a poor pitch that was the same for both sides, he withdrew a player introduced from the bench whose attitude could have lost the 3 points that a decent performance deserved.
As i see it JB got last Saturdays important calls correct as he did the tactics for the Barnsley and Ipswich fixtures.
Sorry JB you got this one wrong - be the bloke you think you are and have balls to own it instead of issuing veiled threats and nit picking at your most gifted player.
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Post by bluetornados on Mar 15, 2023 14:57:01 GMT
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Post by lostinspace on Mar 15, 2023 16:25:31 GMT
Take the blinkers off Bas....just try and stop defending the geezer,,, he has wasted this season with his " experiments and it's all down to the grass is too long too green or someone's boots are laced up wrong.....the group . Odyssey come to mind here " looking for a way out" ...well " I won't stand in your way" .... 🙂 LIS,I think this season has been a success because JB and players are learning about this high standard 3rd tier. JB has complimented groudstaff and the Mem field before.He is now telling us it's not up to scratch. I can't remember but did he mention the pitch after the Barnsley draw? I imagine WAQ will get on the case and come ko next season,we'll have a lovely playing surface once more. I don't think JB is looking for a way out at all.A manager and man like himself, speaking after a home defeat, adrenalin pumping ain't necessarily going to be at their most diplomatic. Quite right to. I just see last night as par for the course of a season and i"m looking forward to giving Pompey a good game Saturday. Success? It seems that the .pretty inconsistent form, continual messing about with team selection and avoidance of relegation.if that is what you call success then you've lost me
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Post by baselswh on Mar 15, 2023 17:04:17 GMT
🙂 LIS,I think this season has been a success because JB and players are learning about this high standard 3rd tier. JB has complimented groudstaff and the Mem field before.He is now telling us it's not up to scratch. I can't remember but did he mention the pitch after the Barnsley draw? I imagine WAQ will get on the case and come ko next season,we'll have a lovely playing surface once more. I don't think JB is looking for a way out at all.A manager and man like himself, speaking after a home defeat, adrenalin pumping ain't necessarily going to be at their most diplomatic. Quite right to. I just see last night as par for the course of a season and i"m looking forward to giving Pompey a good game Saturday. Success? It seems that the .pretty inconsistent form, continual messing about with team selection and avoidance of relegation.if that is what you call success then you've lost me Lessons will be learnt.In that respect it's a successful first season back in a very competitive 3rd tier.
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Post by laughinggas on Mar 15, 2023 17:07:55 GMT
Begs the question. Why are Rovers spending time and money building 'near perfect pitches' at the Quarters, when those conditions are not replicated at the Memorial Stadium? Who is ultimately responsible? Answer. Not Barton. Defo not Barton. Never is. Interesting comment. ‘look if that pitch doesn’t get fixed, I’m going to have to recruit completely differently to what I want to do’,” Barton said. “To the point where I’m like, it almost might be better bringing in another coach" Sounds like a threat. Either fix the pitch (I presume in the close season to replicate the Quarters), Or give me a huge cheque to rebuild the side, Or I'm off. Hope springs eternal. Now are you being mischievous? The pitch was good and the quarters mimicked the pitch in terms of quality. All was good last season. At some point the Mem pitch has deteriorated. It is said that a pipe has burst. One assumes that it cannot be fixed during the season. You should be asking has JB been told we are not fixing.
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