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Nov 28, 2023 19:56:48 GMT
Post by bluetornados on Nov 28, 2023 19:56:48 GMT
VAR set to become even more complicated! New ideas for next season being discussed are:- "VAR to look at free-kicks, corners and second yellow cards". How long will it be before we start seeing tv adverts being played while decisions are being made by the VAR crew? Slowly but surely it's turning football into American Football where adverts are shown during stoppages as the norm, with the 'refs' waiting to be told when to restart the game (once the advert has finished). Personally I think they should be sorting out the crock of s**te it is now rather than trying to expand it. As for offside, every player nowadays wears a GPS tracker for data collection. Why not use that technology. No need to worry if a toe or elbow is offside, just use the location of the tracker to determine if the player is offside as it is located on the main body mass. Using this would also give an instant decision, no need for the long delay. Agree, the game will be an hour each half and will be known as 'Match of the Delay'... ichef.bbci.co.uk/onesport/cps/800/cpsprodpb/F099/production/_128339516_var.jpg |
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Nov 28, 2023 22:30:11 GMT
Post by Nobbygas on Nov 28, 2023 22:30:11 GMT
VAR got it wrong again tonight in the Newcastle game. A truly shocking decision.
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Nov 29, 2023 15:06:11 GMT
Post by bluetornados on Nov 29, 2023 15:06:11 GMT
ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/800/cpsprodpb/0e4f/live/985c4ce0-4265-11ee-9b58-cb80889117a8.jpgZac: The day of reckoning is fast approaching for VAR. There is a disastrous power imbalance where the on-field referee is no longer officiate-in-chief. Rather, it's a couple of people not even in the stadium. Since when did the ref going to the monitor automatically mean the on-field decision would be overturned? So, we need to give power back to referees (make it clear VAR is the video ASSISTANT referee) in a tangible fashion (law changes) or sack it all off. Keep goal-line tech and get in automated offsides. Ben, Newcastle: You win some, you lose some with VAR, the same as when we didn't have it, but Eddie Howe and Alexander Isak's dignified responses last night sum up why Newcastle fans are so proud of the club right now. Andy: Please stop blaming VAR for everything. Newcastle were denied the win because ultimately the referee thought that was a penalty. Simple. VAR just asked him to have a look. Scott: VAR is ruining the game and putting me off watching football altogether as it's not even about the football anymore. Good luck with sin-bins - never ever gonna work. Adesoji: It's deja vu for Newcastle and the EPL. Unfortunately, it's coming at the back of a spirited performance from Newcastle. But wait, we all saw VAR give something similar against Saliba and Webb defended the decision. Newcastle profited against Arsenal with all the checks and Howe felt it was correct to award Gordon the goal. It's what it is. It is VAR, it is football. Simon: VAR genie out of the bottle. Imagine the first MOTD if VAR was removed. There would be multiple wrong decisions and comments about how VAR would have corrected that. It's not VAR it's the humans operating it. Brendan: Seen as most referee decisions are open to interpretation, would it be better to have three people independently review decisions for VAR? That way, it's less pressure on a single viewpoint? Ian: It's not the VAR technology that is the problem. The standard of refereeing has dropped dramatically over the last couple of seasons, so if you then put the same poor referees into the VAR booth, then we can't expect anything other than more shocking decisions. Richard: As a Toon fan I am a supporter of VAR. Take it away and the same people moaning about VAR will moan about refs making the wrong decisions. It is, however, very hard to stick up for VAR when it consistently makes shocking errors. Baffling errors! Yes, it gets the majority of decisions right but some of the mistakes of late begged belief. There is a fault in the system. Paul: The standard of refereeing is poor because they're losing the ability, and desire, to make decisions because Big Brother steps in randomly. I was gutted last night, but just have to accept we're stuck with VAR. Al: There is universal condemnation of the penalty awarded against Newcastle. But the handball rule needs reworded so that it is easier to apply. The rule should state that handball should NOT be awarded if the offence is "unavoidable". Only an "avoidable" handball should be punished. This is much easier to judge than the nonsense about "intent" or "unnatural position". This was an unavoidable handball! Maggie: With all the controversy surrounding VAR, I suggest that the referee be given the opportunity to view a replay on a pitchside monitor and do away with VAR altogether. The ref could then make up his own mind as it is he that is in charge of the game after all! Chris: Could AI be the future of VAR? Feed it with millions of correct decisions from the past and it will use those to make a comparative decision in milliseconds. No human error and instant decisions. Call it Refbot.
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Dec 14, 2023 23:58:28 GMT
Post by bluetornados on Dec 14, 2023 23:58:28 GMT
Howard Webb: Referees chief on dissent, Turkey referee attack and why football must keep technology..By Simon Stone, BBC Sport.
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Do you dread weekends ?"Of course not. Most games pass smoothly and the officials do a really good job. They are all highly trained professionals doing a challenging job they are well prepared for. "It's not just the matches on Match of the Day. We have games to deliver in the Premier League, EFL, Women's Super League and Women's Championship. Across all those games there are going to be talking points and situations that split opinion. "There will be some errors and they are the ones we can learn from. I look forward to every weekend. It is a challenging role but one I relish and get a lot of satisfaction from." Some say standards are worse than they have ever been - do you agree ?"I don't agree with that. People can have a fond recollection of the past. The game is spoken about and scrutinised more and is probably less forgiving than ever. That factors into people's perceptions. "There have been errors that live large. We have to accept that. I always hold my hands up if I get something wrong. Over time, you work to reduce them. But the reality is pretty positive. "Some of the initiatives in place through extra investment take some time to permeate through. We have seen officials come out of the development group taking charge of their first Premier League games. That is happening at every level." What are your thoughts on the attack on a referee in Turkey ?A referee was punched to the ground by a club president during a top-flight match. MKE Ankaragucu president Faruk Koca was later arrested. "The scenes were disgraceful. We should never, at any level, see that type of incident happen to any participant. "It is indicative of a problem that exists in the game, where people feel they can challenge officials in a way that is not acceptable. We have seen over time a decline in certain types of behaviours towards officials. "Just because you don't agree with a decision, that doesn't mean it is acceptable to behave in a wholly unacceptable way." How are you trying to drive out dissent ?Bookings for dissent in the men's and women's professional game have increased by 88% so far this season. Both Brighton manager Roberto de Zerbi and Arsenal boss Mikel Arteta have avoided sanctions for publicly criticising referees. "We have seen some real success in the way the participant charter - a set of measures to address issues of player, manager and fan behaviour - has been implemented in the English game. "There has been a reduction in the number of times the referee has been surrounded and there has been confrontation between the participants and the officials. There is still work to do, and we have had to increase the number of cautions to get those positive outcomes. "It takes time to change behaviours. We will keep doing it because of the events in Turkey and the need to have a positive direction of travel, not just this season, but for good. "That is the only way we can set a really strong and powerful example at grassroots level. We will not back down in that respect. "We will keep drawing the curtain back on how decisions are made. That is what we can control. Comments by coaches and managers is something that is dealt with elsewhere." Should we get rid of VAR ?
ichef.bbci.co.uk/ace/standard/240/cpsprodpb/16C75/production/_131810339_var1.png"It would be foolish to take away a tool that can remove clear errors from the game - almost 40 this season. "Usually we have seen around 100 situations rectified through the use of VAR. Why would you want to take that away and leave those errors in the game? "We are always looking for ways we can improve the use of it, through consistent application in the subjective world that football is and the enhanced use of technology. "I understand delays can cause frustration but sometimes they are unavoidable when you are doing the job diligently. "It protects the game from some clear errors and the thought of going into some big games without that facility there, I don't think many referees would want that."
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Jan 5, 2024 9:44:50 GMT
Post by bluetornados on Jan 5, 2024 9:44:50 GMT
ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/800/cpsprodpb/e772/live/20314ee0-9c16-11ee-8df3-1d2983d8814f.jpgichef.bbci.co.uk/live-experience/cps/624/cpsprodpb/vivo/live/images/2024/1/4/f23aeb97-d869-408c-8657-ba3c56770bb2.jpgThe red card incident from the Crystal Palace 0-0 Everton game...Charlie, Wirral: It is all well and good players saying that Dominic Calvert-Lewin should not have been sent off (and he probably shouldn't have been), but he wasn't helped by Nathaniel Clyne's reaction, writhing around on the ground. If professional footballers/managers don't agree with 'weak' red cards then players should stop play acting and trying to get their opponents sent off. Makes the 'contact' look far worse than it is. Mark, Wales: I'm a complete neutral - In no way should that be a red card. No endangering a player, as he brushed the shin, or excessive force. Farcical decision. Tim: Ridiculous decision. Scandalous. Will: That red is ridiculous. That wasn't reckless, dangerous, at speed, or anything. Red cards for feather light touches? That's enough to make me give up on football. Alex, London: Everton should have absolutely no complaints with that. If you're gonna go in that high, the least you should do is win the ball with the same foot actually making the tackle Joe, Surrey: It is very harsh, but that is a studs up challenge. If your foot is a foot off the ground then that's a dangerous tackle. Feel for CL though as he was going for the ball Ed, London: There will come a point where players will stop making tackles on the basis that their challenges will be slowed down to the extent that they look way worse than they were in reality Dom: Complete neutral, but how is that a red! If that had been against my team (Villa fan) then I would be going absolutely apoplectic! Sean Dyche post match interview will be a great watch... Steve, Bristol: How many games would Roy Keane complete if he was playing by today's rules...? Luke: I hate VAR decisions like that. If no players protest, or anyone else inside the stadium, is it really necessary to do a VAR check for a tackle? Kinda indicates that there was no issue with his challenge Jon: I’m generally pro VAR, but that’s the sort of decision and use of it that calls the whole system into question.. Yes, studs are high, but he brushes with zero force. None. He’s practically come to a stop before making contact. If there was even a slight bit of force in it, then absolutely a red due to the height, but there just isn’t.
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Jan 9, 2024 16:00:27 GMT
Post by bluetornados on Jan 9, 2024 16:00:27 GMT
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Get Involved - Is football better without VAR ?
Tony, West Yorkshire: I find it incredible that some cup ties have VAR involved and others don’t - it should be the same for every club in a competition. If one tie doesn’t have VAR then no ties should have it. Mike: Football without VAR is full or errors and mistakes, Football with VAR has less of them and more of the right decisions. Broadcasters have been drawing lines on pitches to complain about offside since the PL began - VAR means they actually get the right decision on the pitch. Personally I'd rather we go further towards the rugby union version - let the VAR help the ref with things they miss so a handball on halfway gets blown up for rather than winding back from a goal to rule it out. Rob: Without VAR decisions are subjective. With VAR decisions are subjective. We get the same number of mistakes and opinions/interpretation differences./ controversies. The difference being VAR comes at the expense of spontaneous excitement. Scrap it. Glad my club, Peterborough, are not inflicted by it. Jake: The advent of VAR in football has utterly sapped the soul out of the best part of the game: the scoring of a goal. Now, as the ball hits the back of the net, instead of erupting into ecstatic cheers, we find ourselves mired in a maddening limbo, our joy on a leash, as we await the cold, clinical verdict of a video replay. This isn't the football I fell in love with; this isn't the sport where spontaneous jubilation united strangers in collective euphoria. The game's fluidity is now constantly interrupted by jarring stoppages, referees second-guessing themselves, and fans bewildered by perplexing rulings. It feels like we're trading the game's human heart for technological precision, but what's the point if it strips away the raw emotion, the very essence of football? We wanted fairness, but not at the cost of the game's soul, not if it means the purest form of happiness in the sport is diluted by the sterile anticipation of approval from an unseen, all-seeing electronic eye. Football was never meant to be perfect; it's the flaws, the human errors, and the instant drama that gave it its life. VAR, is turning our beautiful, flowing game into a stop-start spectacle that's as much about waiting as it is about watching. Get rid. Ash: I love watching games without VAR! Keep goal line tech and tight offsides (but change the rules so attacker has advantage) but scrap it for everything else. And it must be consistent across a tournament - that’s obvious isn’t it?!! Art, London:Think the solution for the future of VAR is to give the on-field ref all the control - if they or their assistants miss something or cannot make a call on the pitch then ask the video assistant to replay the action so they can see it. Have the ref on field ask the question that he/she is referring to so we are all in on it and have them make up their own mind. Stockley Park is not interfering and everyone is a part of the process. Semi-automated offside is a must, also if the assistants cannot make an on-field call. Gary Foley, Leicester: In addition to our decent season so far, a big plus with many of our fans is also the welcome absence of VAR. One can relish that instant joy of a goal being scored. Not the deflated feeling of post-goal tribulations experienced by fans and players alike in the Premiership. Mike, Canterbury: The onus should be on the on-field decision. VAR should not be reviewing everything the ref does to evaluate whether their decision was the best interpretation of the rules. They should be intervening only when the on-field team has missed something clear and obvious. By definition this does not include marginal offside calls, the constant and lengthy reviews of which are sucking the life out of the game. In my view, VAR should be totally uninvolved in most games. Phil: It has been like a breath of fresh air to watch FA games without VAR and unless VAR is available at all the cup games, it should not be used at any as it makes a mockery of the FA Cup. Dave P: The immediate celebration when a goal is scored has been replaced by a period of hopeful doubt whilst VAR goes through the motions. The eventual celebration never being quite the same. The VAR technology simply isn't accurate enough to be drawing lines fractions of an inch apart. A difference of one frame when estimating the ball leaving the passing player's foot can make a massive difference as to where the players are aligned in such a fast moving sport. If the technology was perfect, then what VAR has taken away in terms of excitement may be more acceptable. As it stands, I would rather go back to how things were. Chris, Southport: The only reason we have VAR in the first place is because fans, pundits, players can't accept that human beings make mistakes. VAR is also operated by humans so guess what? Mistakes still happen. There is focus on errors but VAR gets rid of plenty of errors too. They just don't get talked about as much. There is no change to VAR that can be made to eliminate mistakes. We either accept humans make errors (refs as well as players) or keep pursuing unachievable perfection and harm the sport in the process. Steve, Kent: VAR is like any tool It's only as good as the people using it and the rules they have to use. Rather than check everything give each team two referrals the same as in cricket. John in Northants: For years the FA worked on the principle that if a rule change could not be made to work at grass roots level it could not be implemented in the pro game. Now we have the whole "with VAR / without VAR" thing. Same basic rules but different application and interpretation. The referee's decision might be final...or not depending where the game is being played.
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Jan 22, 2024 14:56:10 GMT
Post by bluetornados on Jan 22, 2024 14:56:10 GMT
Get Involved - Simon Stone Q&A
Adrian in Bentham: I don't think you really answered the question asked about the Kluivert tackle compared to Jones. Jones’ foot slipped off the ball and landed on the foot but the Kluivert tackle was straight onto the foot so surely this tackle was far more reckless that Jones. Is this lack of consistency that is leaving fans confused and frustrated. Yet nothing is still being done about it and same old people are still making the same mistakes on VAR and taking the Michael out of the paying fan. I have cancelled all my subscriptions as cannot pay towards a broken system. When on earth is it going to be addressed and fixed. It's not rocket science... it's football . The media could help by being on the fans side and putting pressure on the FA which let’s be honest has not been fit for purpose for a long time. Simon: Hiya Adrian. Strong stuff. Firstly, I am very much on the fans’ side when it comes to VAR in particular. I don’t feel they are being included in the process in terms of explanations about what is actually happening. They are just left for minutes on end sometimes, without any real knowledge of what is being discussed. That is an IFAB issue. On the wider point, as I said initially, I don’t think it is helpful to compare two incidents. What you think/know happened and what the officials saw may be different. You may think something is clear but it might not be. PGMOL will argue – strongly – that more incorrect decisions are being correctly overturned than ever before. BUT, there are some mistakes, which they are trying to cut down. Realistically, the chances of getting 100% accuracy or consistency is impossible as we are talking about human beings not robots – and observers, including you, have differing opinions on the same situation. Chris Wilder argued yesterday that Rhian Brewster shouldn’t have been sent off. I don’t think many would agree, but some would. ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/800/cpsprodpb/vivo/live/images/2024/1/22/aa305fa8-eaa5-488b-9350-5c88e100f9b2.jpgTom: How was Ivan Toney’s goal ever allowed to stand? Makes no sense that VAR can clearly see him move the ball for an advantage and the ref not making him move it back is a clear and obvious error so there is no excuse Simon: Well, VAR is not allowed to intervene on restarts. I can see Forest’s position on this. They would argue if there was an issue in the wall and a goal was scored, it might not have been allowed. Maybe the referee or the nearside assistant should have spotted it and done something about it. But equally, the Forest players were looking at the ball as they stood in the wall. They could also have intervened if they had wanted. It is not the first time this season Forest have felt they have not been treated well by the officials. I will be interested to see what the response is. ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/800/cpsprodpb/vivo/live/images/2024/1/22/0a979d72-136d-4a6c-a4fd-56275928444d.jpgGraham MacLaren in Notts: As we see VAR means Variable Accuracy in Replay, even given the comment that "no two tackles are the same", is this new process needing its own review at the end of this season to redefine the incidents that should or should not be included in its involvement. Simon: I think this is the key element that many leagues – not just the Premier League – are dealing with at the moment. In general, many people can – grudgingly – accept most mistakes by the on-field officials because it is in real time and it is tough. But they don’t see how someone miles away can make mistakes. Again, perfection can never happen. But the process can get better and there is always room for improvement how many correct interventions we get. At the moment, it is the same group of officials who are refereeing matches and acting as VAR. Over time, this might change and we end up with VAR specialists. But IFAB do not allow for that at the moment. ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/800/cpsprodpb/vivo/live/images/2024/1/22/92b98ee8-d462-4fd4-bf5e-3b547dce15bd.jpg
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Jan 27, 2024 23:34:49 GMT
Post by bluetornados on Jan 27, 2024 23:34:49 GMT
Belgian Pro League: Anderlecht v Genk replayed after VAR penalty error..
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Anderlecht goalkeeper Kasper Schmeichel saved Bryan Heynen's penalty before the rebound was scored, which led to VAR's interventionA Belgian Pro League match between Anderlecht and Genk will be replayed in full because of an error made by the video assistant referee. The incident occurred in Genk's 2-1 defeat by Anderlecht at Lotto Park on 22nd December when Yira Sor scored a rebound from a missed penalty. VAR disallowed the goal because Genk's Sor encroached in the area but ignored encroachment by two Anderlecht players. A Genk appeal based on the rules being "misapplied" by VAR was upheld. Law 14.3 of the International Football Association Board states that if there is encroachment by both a defending and attacking player, the penalty kick should be retaken regardless of whether the kick is scored or not. Genk said in a statement that the Disciplinary Council for Professional Football declared itself "competent to rule on the matter" which "overturned the earlier decision of the Professional Referee Department not to replay the match". The statement added that the "council then followed Genk's argument that the match officials misapplied the rules at the penalty phase in question". A date for the match to be replayed has not yet been agreed. Genk are fifth in Belgium's top flight, while record 34-times champions Anderlecht sit second. In October, the Premier League refused to consider a replay after Liverpool's controversial defeat by Tottenham. On that occasion VAR wrongly failed to overturn an on-field decision to rule out a Luis Diaz goal for offside because of "significant human error".
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Post by bluetornados on Apr 25, 2024 20:54:56 GMT
How are VAR lines drawn? How do they decide when the ball is played forward? And is the technology even up to speed? Biggest offside questions answered after Man United's lucky escape against Coventry..by James Cohen.It's fair to say that a number of football fans were left bemused by VAR's decision to rule out Victor Torp's late winner for Coventry against Man United on Sunday. VAR ruled that Haji Wright was offside by a fraction after he assisted Torp in the 121st minute at Wembley, with Coventry thinking they had finished a generational comeback to win 4-3. Many argued that it 'ruined one of the greatest FA Cup moments ever', as the Red Devils eventually went on to win the semi-final after a 4-2 penalty shoot-out victory. i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/04/23/12/83924217-13340089-VAR_ruled_Coventry_s_extra_time_winner_in_Sunday_s_FA_Cup_semi_f-a-1_1713872307866.jpgVAR ruled Coventry's extra-time winner in Sunday's FA Cup semi-final marginally offside and a source close to the PGMOL confirmed to Mail Sport that the decision was correct
WHO IS IN THE VAR ROOM ?VAR may stand for 'Video Assistant Referee' but there are actually three officials who work together to help reach an on-field decision. Firstly, the lead official judges the reviews, while the assistant continues to watch the match as the his colleague makes a decision. Meanwhile, the third official is the Hawk-Eye operative and is tasked with controlling the VAR technology. They remain independent of the decision-making process. HOW ARE THE LINES DRAWN?As per the official Premier League website, VAR uses two-dimensional lines - one placed on the attacker and one on the defender - to make offside decisions. A crosshair is used to identify the exact position of the offside line, so that the relevant body part can be accurately identified by the VAR. VAR lines are drawn on the leading part of the defender and the leading part of the attacker with which they can score. The decision also has a 'tolerance' level in favour of the attacker if the lines touch, which gives the forward the benefit of the doubt. In that case, a green line would be shown, but the lines were not touching in the case of Wright and Wan-Bissaka, meaning there was no doubt. So fine were the margins that Coventry boss Mark Robins joked Wright would have been considered onside had he cut his toenails. i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/04/23/12/83936157-13340089-England_s_Ellen_White_was_denied_an_equaliser_in_the_2019_Women_-a-3_1713872431453.jpgVAR uses two-dimensional lines - placed on the attacker and the defender - to make decisions
CAMERAS AND FRAME RATEIn the Premier League, VAR makes use of five in-stadium cameras to aid in their Hawk-Eye technology. There is one main wide camera, two 18-yard box cameras and two goalline cameras. Hawk-Eye is also able to use any broadcast camera to identify the point of contact with the ball by the attacker. The officials then go frame-by-frame to identify the first point of contact of the passing act, not the point of release. The Hawk-eye operative then selects three frames for the VAR, who will choose the one that represents that first point. Broadcast cameras only operate with 50 frames per second, so the point of contact with the ball is one of those frames inside the 50 per second. However, this aspect of VAR is one that has been particularly criticised, with doubters claiming the technology is not good enough to make these tight calls. If the correct frame is not actually be available, the VAR must select the first frame where the ball has definitely been touched. i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/04/23/12/83982607-13340089-image-a-15_1713873186580.jpgIn the Premier League, VAR officials have the ability to use one of five cameras for reviews
WHY ARE SOME VAR PICTURES DECEIVING?Often, still-images of VAR can look deceiving for viewers at home. Unless one of the available cameras is directly in line with the final defender, the player's body position may look further forward or back compared to reality. According to the Premier League website, if the broadcast camera is not perfectly horizontal - the vertical line can appear to lean to one side. This perhaps explains why many felt aggrieved by Wright's ruled out assist, which - from certain angles - appeared to be incorrectly drawn. i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/04/23/12/83523501-13340089-Semi_automated_offside_technology_will_be_introduced_in_a_bid_to-a-19_1713873286100.jpgSemi-automated offside technology will be introduced in a bid to allow officials to make quick decisions and cut down the long waiting times VAR has been criticised for.
WHAT IS BEING DONE? Well, English football will embrace semi-automated offside technology from next season, with the system expected to cut VAR delays by 30 seconds. Premier League clubs voted unanimously yesterday to introduce the new system, which has been deployed successfully in the World Cup, Champions League and other major domestic leagues. But there will be a further delay to its arrival, which is not scheduled until after ‘one of the autumn international breaks’ next season. Twelve cameras will be installed under the stadium roof to track 29 data points on the players, allowing a much more accurate measure of when a pass is played. If a player is offside, the system sends an alert to the VAR official, who decides if they are interfering with play.
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May 16, 2024 7:37:51 GMT
Post by bluetornados on May 16, 2024 7:37:51 GMT
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May 16, 2024 7:43:04 GMT
Post by bluetornados on May 16, 2024 7:43:04 GMT
ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/800/cpsprodpb/67df/live/079c9cb0-1207-11ef-b9d8-4f52aebe147d.jpgAnalysis - PL says scrapping VAR not the way forward..by BBC chief football news reporter Simon Stone.It is understood the Premier League fundamentally does not believe this is the right way forward. While it is obvious Wolves - and others - have had frustrations with the system this season, the league believes removing VAR would increase the number of incorrect decisions and potentially leave the on-field officials open to even greater criticism than they currently receive. The Premier League’s figures show the number of correct decisions in matches has increased from 82% before VAR was introduced to 96% currently. With semi-automated offside technology due to be introduced early next season, it is felt that figure will increase even further. PGMOL head of refereeing Webb is pushing for greater in-game communication between VAR and fans and is pushing the international rule-making body IFAB for greater changes. The Premier League also believes removing VAR would have a negative impact on its global reputation. This is likely to cut little ice with Wolves, who feel they have been on the wrong end of a series of bad decisions, starting on the opening weekend when Manchester United goalkeeper Andre Onana went unpunished for punching striker Sasa Kalajdzic in the face in the final minute at Old Trafford as he tried to clear the ball. Many fans do not like the amount of time taken to reach marginal offside decisions, even if the outcome ultimately proved to be the correct one.
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May 17, 2024 8:34:42 GMT
Post by bluetornados on May 17, 2024 8:34:42 GMT
ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/800/cpsprodpb/9575/live/d3129ea0-137c-11ef-b9d8-4f52aebe147d.jpgWolves are in the news this week for their pursuit of a vote on the scrapping of VAR. Their wishes drew further scrutiny on Wednesday when Newcastle United winger Anthony Gordon found himself in the middle of a contentious call before offering a strong view on the technology after his side went down at Manchester United. "Modified" is the word when we are talking about VAR going to a vote. We are still getting to grips with it, but we have seen some good come from it. There have been some instances of indifferent decisions because calls are getting too many looks at them from so many angles. They still do not know what is a good tackle and what is not. I think they need help from some former players, who have been in that situation and understand what the differences are in those challenges. We keep talking about different angles and that is not going to go away because with VAR or without it, on certain challenges we would still disagree. You could have two current players in a room and they still would not agree. It is Wolves' opinion on VAR and if they feel it is not working for them, then you can understand why they are saying to have a go without it again. Molineux boss Gary O'Neil has been very frustrated, but he has also been balanced and tried to stay quiet. Now he does not want to stay quiet because he feels it does not benefit them and decisions are not going their way. Overall, we have seen good things from VAR, even if it does bring with it a delay and a wait. It would be a shame now for it to all go away when we have all the technology in place. Michael Brown was speaking to BBC Sport's Katie Stafford
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May 17, 2024 8:36:16 GMT
Post by bluetornados on May 17, 2024 8:36:16 GMT
Liverpool not supportive of scrapping VAR..by Mandeep Sanghera, BBC Sport journalist.ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/800/cpsprodpb/3896/live/4fff59c0-1379-11ef-83f9-51268683e1ae.jpgLiverpool have had their issues with VAR this season. The most controversial was Luis Diaz's goal against Tottenham not being awarded after being incorrectly given offside by the assistant referee. The Reds called for a "review with full transparency" of VAR in the wake of an incident they said resulted in "sporting integrity being undermined", while the PGMOL said the decision to disallow the goal was "a significant human error". Later on in the season, referees' chief Howard Webb admitted Liverpool should have been awarded a penalty in a 1-1 draw with Arsenal for a Martin Odegaard handball. VAR reviewed the on-field ruling not to give a penalty and confirmed the decision. However, I understand that Liverpool are not supportive of scrapping VAR and would vote against the Wolves proposal at the meeting in June.
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May 17, 2024 9:13:47 GMT
Post by eppinggas on May 17, 2024 9:13:47 GMT
VAR is killing the game. I really enjoy lower league football with no VAR. The officials are left to officiate. Yup, they make some howlers, but that's just human nature. Good / bad decisions even out over the season. But there is no way Clubs will vote to abolish VAR. The 'big' Clubs will all vote to keep it to keep in line with European competition rules. Semi-automated off-side decisions will help a lot as it's the wait for a decision that is ruining the entertainment. One thing I find frustrating is why do attackers risk going off-side? There is no need to be 'on the shoulder' of the last defender, stay clearly on-side - all of the time. If that means the last defender will follow you up the pitch - great - there is more room to run in behind.
So it's a combination of s**t, lengthy VAR decisions and brainless forwards causing the problem.
As for the handball rule - it has become ridiculously complex. Leave that 100% to the on-field officials. If it's deliberate (very rare) then it's a penalty. If it's not deliberate, no penalty. The old 'ball to hand' or 'hand to ball' worked perfectly well.
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Jun 6, 2024 9:28:24 GMT
Post by bluetornados on Jun 6, 2024 9:28:24 GMT
ichef.bbci.co.uk/ace/standard/1024/cpsprodpb/bd63/live/6572b240-23d0-11ef-80aa-699d54c46324.pngPremier League prepares for VAR vote..by Emma Smith, BBC SportThere would be 100 more incorrect refereeing decisions made per season if clubs vote to scrap video assistant referees (VAR), the Premier League has claimed. The league sent a briefing document to all 20 clubs before their annual general meeting later today, explaining the reasons why it feels VAR should remain. Wolves formally submitted a resolution to the Premier League in May, which triggered a vote on the continued use of VAR. Premier League clubs are unlikely to vote through this proposal, though in-game VAR announcements are set to be introduced.
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Jun 6, 2024 20:07:52 GMT
Post by bluetornados on Jun 6, 2024 20:07:52 GMT
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Jun 6, 2024 20:08:58 GMT
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Post by lostinspace on Jun 6, 2024 20:08:58 GMT
ichef.bbci.co.uk/ace/standard/1024/cpsprodpb/bd63/live/6572b240-23d0-11ef-80aa-699d54c46324.pngPremier League prepares for VAR vote..by Emma Smith, BBC SportThere would be 100 more incorrect refereeing decisions made per season if clubs vote to scrap video assistant referees (VAR), the Premier League has claimed. The league sent a briefing document to all 20 clubs before their annual general meeting later today, explaining the reasons why it feels VAR should remain. Wolves formally submitted a resolution to the Premier League in May, which triggered a vote on the continued use of VAR. Premier League clubs are unlikely to vote through this proposal, though in-game VAR announcements are set to be introduced. 19-1 against stopping VAR.. And Wolves did vote for it ...( To be stopped) |
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Jul 23, 2024 20:14:25 GMT
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Post by lostinspace on Jul 23, 2024 20:14:25 GMT
A match in Norway has been abandoned after fans threw , firstly fish cakes, causing the referee to halt the match for 30 minutes, then after the match resumed fans threw smoke bombs onto the pitch, this time the referee withdrew the players and then announced the abandonment of the game, this all occurred as fans are demonstrating about the introduction of VAR into the Norwegian game
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Jul 28, 2024 9:15:52 GMT
Post by eppinggas on Jul 28, 2024 9:15:52 GMT
A match in Norway has been abandoned after fans threw , firstly fish cakes, causing the referee to halt the match for 30 minutes, then after the match resumed fans threw smoke bombs onto the pitch, this time the referee withdrew the players and then announced the abandonment of the game, this all occurred as fans are demonstrating about the introduction of VAR into the Norwegian game Good for Norwegian fans! Similar to the German ownership model (from Reddit): "The rules constitute that clubs have to be membership organizations, so on paper all clubs are fan owned. However, a lot of investors and benefactors enjoy a sizeable influence on their clubs through corporate structuring called the dual model (dualmodellen)". |
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