warehamgas
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Post by warehamgas on Aug 18, 2022 10:26:09 GMT
The point I'm making is it doesn't mean he didn't do it. That's what matters to us supporters and the club. Oh right, got you. We can pick and choose which guilty or not guilty verdicts we like, depending on prejudice. Please don't ever get on the Supreme Court. They’ve got enough of those already! UTG!
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Post by Bath Gas on Aug 18, 2022 10:28:40 GMT
If there was consistency in football about how to handle situations where Managers or players who are charged with serious violent or sexual offences then there wouldn't have been the issue in the first place. It shouldn't be down to the ethics of the owners. As for JB nobody is born violent and mental health often has a factor. Everyone deserves a chance to access help and support. If you dont learn and grow from it then thats where the questions need to be asked. For me its only a matter of time before JB blows up again. I hope he continues to access support and proves me wrong. It is known that some children are born with aggressive tendencies, however, positive parenting will teach the majority of them how to control these tendencies, and allow them to become well socialised at an early age. From what I have heard of JB's early family life, these tendencies were actually nurtured throughout his childhood. I can imagine that it is very difficult to completely erradicate the seeds sown, the same as a passive, well behaved child is very unlikely to become an aggressive, physically abusive adult.
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Post by trymer on Aug 18, 2022 15:23:27 GMT
If there was consistency in football about how to handle situations where Managers or players who are charged with serious violent or sexual offences then there wouldn't have been the issue in the first place. It shouldn't be down to the ethics of the owners. As for JB nobody is born violent and mental health often has a factor. Everyone deserves a chance to access help and support. If you dont learn and grow from it then thats where the questions need to be asked. For me its only a matter of time before JB blows up again. I hope he continues to access support and proves me wrong. It is known that some children are born with aggressive tendencies, however, positive parenting will teach the majority of them how to control these tendencies, and allow them to become well socialised at an early age. From what I have heard of JB's early family life, these tendencies were actually nurtured throughout his childhood. I can imagine that it is very difficult to completely erradicate the seeds sown, the same as a passive, well behaved child is very unlikely to become an aggressive, physically abusive adult. Yes,if their mothers are junkies and their fathers are drunks well golly moses naturally they'll be punks. You see society has played them a terrible trick so socialogically they are sick.
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Post by bloogas on Aug 18, 2022 17:06:40 GMT
If there was consistency in football about how to handle situations where Managers or players who are charged with serious violent or sexual offences then there wouldn't have been the issue in the first place. It shouldn't be down to the ethics of the owners. As for JB nobody is born violent and mental health often has a factor. Everyone deserves a chance to access help and support. If you dont learn and grow from it then thats where the questions need to be asked. For me its only a matter of time before JB blows up again. I hope he continues to access support and proves me wrong. "Nobody is born violent." Where did you get that from?
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Post by Bath Gas on Aug 18, 2022 18:09:45 GMT
It is known that some children are born with aggressive tendencies, however, positive parenting will teach the majority of them how to control these tendencies, and allow them to become well socialised at an early age. From what I have heard of JB's early family life, these tendencies were actually nurtured throughout his childhood. I can imagine that it is very difficult to completely erradicate the seeds sown, the same as a passive, well behaved child is very unlikely to become an aggressive, physically abusive adult. Yes,if their mothers are junkies and their fathers are drunks well golly moses naturally they'll be punks. You see society has played them a terrible trick so socialogically they are sick. Not quite sure what point you are trying to make, seems to be a lot of stereo-typing going on there.
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Post by trymer on Aug 18, 2022 19:34:22 GMT
Yes,if their mothers are junkies and their fathers are drunks well golly moses naturally they'll be punks. You see society has played them a terrible trick so socialogically they are sick. Not quite sure what point you are trying to make, seems to be a lot of stereo-typing going on there. Well they behave as they do because they have been deprived of a normal homelife, they're depraved because they're deprived. A stronger role model would help them,perhaps the local Police sergeant,a lot of young men fall into gang culture because they lack an authority figure that they can relate to.
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Post by Bath Gas on Aug 18, 2022 21:03:57 GMT
Not quite sure what point you are trying to make, seems to be a lot of stereo-typing going on there. Well they behave as they do because they have been deprived of a normal homelife, they're depraved because they're deprived. A stronger role model would help them,perhaps the local Police sergeant,a lot of young men fall into gang culture because they lack an authority figure that they can relate to. Thanks - got it now.
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Post by rideintothesun on Aug 18, 2022 21:30:09 GMT
I was just going to post the same article! I too thought it was an excellent read, very candid and interesting. Initially I was not happy at JB's appointment (but did decide last year life was too short and innocent until proven guilty etc etc). But now I wonder if maybe I jumped to the wrong conclusion initially, after all he wouldn't be the only person/people to have been subject to media "exaggeration" would he? He wouldn't be the only person. But you forget to mention that JB has effectively projected himself onto the implicit prejudices of middle-class journalists, creating a persona in the process. But Barton actually speaks for himself - he doesn't represent or embody anybody else. He is pandered to by the MSM as some kind of performing seal who can bestow some working-class authenticity onto an overwhelmingly middle-class profession. Julie Burchill performed the same role, with considerably more flair, intelligence, panache and self-awareness, for several decades.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2022 7:48:11 GMT
Julie Burchill? Ha. Coked up Thatcherite extremist, who regards her upbringing in Briz with total disdain.
Great example.
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kingswood Polak
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Post by kingswood Polak on Aug 19, 2022 8:05:36 GMT
Julie Burchill? Ha. Coked up Thatcherite extremist, who regards her upbringing in Briz with total disdain. Great example. Hi Doc, if she is anything like Thatcher then i already hate her but maybe be careful with your words. Who knows who reads these places.
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Post by rideintothesun on Aug 19, 2022 8:33:08 GMT
Julie Burchill? Ha. Coked up Thatcherite extremist, who regards her upbringing in Briz with total disdain. Great example. She's more of an iconoclast. She doesn't really have consistent positions or beliefs. Whichever way the wind blows, she goes in the opposite direction. She actually speaks of Bristol with considerable fondness and has made it clear that the city she grew up in is very different to the city of today. Given how self-absorded and self-regarding the city has become, its refreshing to hear an actual Bristolian give her honest impressions of the Bristol she grew up in.
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Post by rideintothesun on Aug 19, 2022 8:37:05 GMT
Julie Burchill? Ha. Coked up Thatcherite extremist, who regards her upbringing in Briz with total disdain. Great example. Hi Doc, if she is anything like Thatcher then i already hate her but maybe be careful with your words. Who knows who reads these places. She isn't anything like Thatcher. She said positive things about her in the 1980s because the Liberal-Left virtually expected people from working-class backgrounds to loathe Thatcher. She even later retracted her positive statements about Thatcher.
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kingswood Polak
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Post by kingswood Polak on Aug 19, 2022 8:57:41 GMT
Hi Doc, if she is anything like Thatcher then i already hate her but maybe be careful with your words. Who knows who reads these places. She isn't anything like Thatcher. She said positive things about her in the 1980s because the Liberal-Left virtually expected people from working-class backgrounds to loathe Thatcher. She even later retracted her positive statements about Thatcher. Thanks but i have disengaged from all thing political , since the Buffon was elected. Never thought I’d say this as i was always involved and even door knocked but i think most are in it for themselves. The times i wrote to chris skidmore, i got whitewashed and given a stock reply. I will vote now for whoever i think will serve the area best
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2022 9:01:29 GMT
She openly said she despised Briz (for non Bristolians among us, Brislington where she grew up). She also dismissed Bristol as a parochial backwater, openly boasted of her cocaine habit (vile drug), lauded Thatcher and managed to alienate almost everyone she ever got close to. Awful woman.
Anyway, this is about the excellent article where our manager candidly talks about his demons. Good on him.
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kingswood Polak
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Post by kingswood Polak on Aug 19, 2022 11:31:04 GMT
She openly said she despised Briz (for non Bristolians among us, Brislington where she grew up). She also dismissed Bristol as a parochial backwater, openly boasted of her cocaine habit (vile drug), lauded Thatcher and managed to alienate almost everyone she ever got close to. Awful woman. Anyway, this is about the excellent article where our manager candidly talks about his demons. Good on him. Thanks for explaining as i genuinely had not even heard of her. I used to work for my local Labour Party and was, very deeply, involved, i just feel there is such apathy now that the ironic part is i can’t be bothered now. Seeing the country vote in the buffoon was the last straw and i finally realised that many are deeply misguided. I could go on about this but no point. To openly say she took cocaine is appalling and she should be sacked for that alone
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Post by eppinggas on Aug 19, 2022 13:59:06 GMT
Some people think that because he won some football matches that somehow he is miraculously cured of being a violent man. Who said that? Apologies - I can't remember (though I'm not prone to just make things up for the sake of it). I wouldn't name anyone without being able to back it up. Anyhow. Let's just say that a vast majority of people would agree that he needs professional help/therapy to overcome his many demons. Anyone that doesn't agree with that statement - I guess that would answer your question.
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Post by Teigngas on Aug 19, 2022 18:06:42 GMT
I was just going to post the same article! I too thought it was an excellent read, very candid and interesting. Initially I was not happy at JB's appointment (but did decide last year life was too short and innocent until proven guilty etc etc). But now I wonder if maybe I jumped to the wrong conclusion initially, after all he wouldn't be the only person/people to have been subject to media "exaggeration" would he? He wouldn't be the only person. But you forget to mention that JB has effectively projected himself onto the implicit prejudices of middle-class journalists, creating a persona in the process. You say "I forget to mention", but as I have no idea what that comment means, I really couldn't have mentioned it anyway.
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Post by bluetornados on Aug 19, 2022 21:57:25 GMT
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Post by bluetornados on Oct 28, 2022 21:42:36 GMT
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Post by gasprom on Oct 28, 2022 22:30:08 GMT
I love this. I'm sure the anti-Barton muppets at OTIB and the Daily Mail will be all over it trying to turn it into something it isn't, but Barton consistently delivers on his word. We were awful in September but he said when we got our defenders fit again we'd be a different side. Through October we've grown and grown. In my view we have a very good manager and are getting stronger like last year. I look forward to Portsmouth getting Bartoned as we overtake them as he said we would, leading to ridicule from their massive fanbase at the time. They are on the slide as he predicted.
I haven't listened to Talksport since they slated him for his Cowley comments. Base your opinion on the full interview and not the headline and you get the full picture. An interviewer can ask a question and toxic turd Barton will talk for an hour. If you want boring meaningless cliches go to Charlton and speak to Ben Garner, if you want honesty speak to toxic turd. I know who I'd want to listen to.
I was very anti-Barton after our relegation. Examples like when he fired into Max Ehmer, talked about the previous managers being negligent, the referees, the "so-called strikers" comment - I saw them as deflecting from his own inadequacies. What he has done since has proved me and many others wrong. The side he has built would destroy the one he inherited.
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