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Post by zfc on Jul 30, 2022 20:54:48 GMT
Am I the only one who thinks that Wish You Were Here is a better album than Dark Side of The Moon?
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Post by eppinggas on Aug 2, 2022 8:48:06 GMT
Am I the only one who thinks that Wish You Were Here is a better album than Dark Side of The Moon? Probably. As the 'complete' concept album Dark Side has stood the test of time. It just flows better IMHO. Wish You Were Here is without doubt also a masterpiece, the title track gets me every time. The sound production on both was miles ahead of anything that had gone before (again IMHO). KP probably has some views on this kingswood Polak(Pigs Might Fly - is a great read). |
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Post by kingswood Polak on Aug 2, 2022 14:33:14 GMT
Am I the only one who thinks that Wish You Were Here is a better album than Dark Side of The Moon? I totally agree, it was the perfect storm album as i see it, the theme is loss and about Syd Barrett and there is so much more music rather than the lyrically charged and political content. Don’t get me wrong, i love Roger Waters lyrics but WYWH , for me, is their greatest album and one i play most. |
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Post by kingswood Polak on Aug 2, 2022 14:38:42 GMT
Am I the only one who thinks that Wish You Were Here is a better album than Dark Side of The Moon? Probably. As the 'complete' concept album Dark Side has stood the test of time. It just flows better IMHO. Wish You Were Here is without doubt also a masterpiece, the title track gets me every time. The sound production on both was miles ahead of anything that had gone before (again IMHO). KP probably has some views on this kingswood Polak (Pigs Might Fly - is a great read). Agree with you but even Roger Waters says that DSOTM was more upper 6th angst and that they produced a lot of experimental content on it. It certainly paved their way to greatness and their previous albums were, very much, niche. Personally, apart from maybe 3-4 tracks from Ummaguma, a saucer full full of secrets and relics, i do not really enjoy the Syd Barret Floyd and much prefer the later albums, i am also a huge fan of Waters solo albums and amused to death is a masterpiece. The remaining member went onto release 2 truly original albums but totally different to when they had Waters with them and then they brought out the endless river, as a new album when it was just cuttings, that never made it to the two albums, a momentary lapse of reason and the division bell. |
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Post by zfc on Aug 3, 2022 21:48:14 GMT
Don't get me wrong I'm not saying Dark Side is poor in any way as it is superb.I just enjoy listening to WYWH more and my original vinyl version has some lovely little crackles on it making the listening experience so much better.As has been pointed out the title track is one that resonates so well
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Post by eppinggas on Aug 4, 2022 8:46:45 GMT
Probably. As the 'complete' concept album Dark Side has stood the test of time. It just flows better IMHO. Wish You Were Here is without doubt also a masterpiece, the title track gets me every time. The sound production on both was miles ahead of anything that had gone before (again IMHO). KP probably has some views on this kingswood Polak (Pigs Might Fly - is a great read). Agree with you but even Roger Waters says that DSOTM was more upper 6th angst and that they produced a lot of experimental content on it. It certainly paved their way to greatness and their previous albums were, very much, niche. Personally, apart from maybe 3-4 tracks from Ummaguma, a saucer full full of secrets and relics, i do not really enjoy the Syd Barret Floyd and much prefer the later albums, i am also a huge fan of Waters solo albums and amused to death is a masterpiece. The remaining member went onto release 2 truly original albums but totally different to when they had Waters with them and then they brought out the endless river, as a new album when it was just cuttings, that never made it to the two albums, a momentary lapse of reason and the division bell. Roger Waters - the ideas man. A contrarian and by his own admission, a very hard man to work with! Perhaps the divisions within the band helped produce their best work (Dark Side and WYWH)? Pigs Might Fly explains it all... and why hell would have to freeze over before David Gilmore takes the stage with Roger Waters again. (As an aside - a friend of mine mentioned that Nick Mason lives near Bath and had his gardens open up to the public last weekend so they could see his car collection). |
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Post by kingswood Polak on Aug 4, 2022 10:27:13 GMT
Agree with you but even Roger Waters says that DSOTM was more upper 6th angst and that they produced a lot of experimental content on it. It certainly paved their way to greatness and their previous albums were, very much, niche. Personally, apart from maybe 3-4 tracks from Ummaguma, a saucer full full of secrets and relics, i do not really enjoy the Syd Barret Floyd and much prefer the later albums, i am also a huge fan of Waters solo albums and amused to death is a masterpiece. The remaining member went onto release 2 truly original albums but totally different to when they had Waters with them and then they brought out the endless river, as a new album when it was just cuttings, that never made it to the two albums, a momentary lapse of reason and the division bell. Roger Waters - the ideas man. A contrarian and by his own admission, a very hard man to work with! Perhaps the divisions within the band helped produce their best work (Dark Side and WYWH)? Pigs Might Fly explains it all... and why hell would have to freeze over before David Gilmore takes the stage with Roger Waters again. (As an aside - a friend of mine mentioned that Nick Mason lives near Bath and had his gardens open up to the public last weekend so they could see his car collection). I was under the impression that Waters had said he was letting things go and that his spat with Gilmour was nothing to him but i did see a documentary with Gilmour and he said he would not work worth Roger, ever again |
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Post by eppinggas on Aug 4, 2022 13:25:44 GMT
Roger Waters - the ideas man. A contrarian and by his own admission, a very hard man to work with! Perhaps the divisions within the band helped produce their best work (Dark Side and WYWH)? Pigs Might Fly explains it all... and why hell would have to freeze over before David Gilmore takes the stage with Roger Waters again. (As an aside - a friend of mine mentioned that Nick Mason lives near Bath and had his gardens open up to the public last weekend so they could see his car collection). I was under the impression that Waters had said he was letting things go and that his spat with Gilmour was nothing to him but i did see a documentary with Gilmour and he said he would not work worth Roger, ever again David Gilmore comes across very well in interview. Very quiet, polite and thoughtful. A brilliant guitarist who auctioned 120 of his guitars and gave the proceeds to charity. $21million. Roger Waters is a very divisive figure. But Dark Side and WYWH would definitely not have existed without Waters input. As for Roger "letting things go" - I don't think so KP! nightswithalicecooper.com/2021/09/14/roger-waters-claims-david-gilmour-and-rick-wright-tried-to-undercut-him/ |
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Post by kingswood Polak on Aug 4, 2022 13:33:13 GMT
I was under the impression that Waters had said he was letting things go and that his spat with Gilmour was nothing to him but i did see a documentary with Gilmour and he said he would not work worth Roger, ever again David Gilmore comes across very well in interview. Very quiet, polite and thoughtful. A brilliant guitarist who auctioned 120 of his guitars and gave the proceeds to charity. $21million. Roger Waters is a very divisive figure. But Dark Side and WYWH would definitely not have existed without Waters input. As for Roger "letting things go" - I don't think so KP! nightswithalicecooper.com/2021/09/14/roger-waters-claims-david-gilmour-and-rick-wright-tried-to-undercut-him/I have read different from Waters instagram. He was undoubtedly hurt that his solo work did not fill the arenas, as the remaining members did but, let’s face it, Floyd had Polly SDamson ( Gilmour wife) write lyrics and it was pretty dull. Personally I much prefer Waters work and am, very much, aligned to his political stance. I think amused to death is the greatest album ever and Waters is always trying new tech and experiments. I find Gilmour dull by comparison but he is a great guitar player although Jeff Beck and Eric Clapton both played on Waters solo albums and Beck is just incredible on amused to death. |
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Post by Gastafari on Aug 7, 2022 21:49:17 GMT
Am I the only one who thinks that Wish You Were Here is a better album than Dark Side of The Moon? Love them both in equal measure. The only albums of Pink Floyds I actually think were great. Maybe I'm the only one who thinks 90% of Pink Floyds stuff is guff. The other 10% however is some of the greatest music ever made. Which is fine by me |
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Post by bluetornados on Aug 26, 2022 15:41:29 GMT
Dave Gilmour is on Sky Arts, Freeview 11, on Friday 2nd September, performing a live recording in Gdansk 2006 from 9.20pm to 11.10pm.
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Post by lostinspace on Sept 25, 2022 12:36:12 GMT
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Post by bluetornados on Sept 25, 2022 13:45:10 GMT
Mr Waters, currently on tour in the US, hit back in another Facebook post entitled "Hey Łukasz Wantuch, Leave them kids alone", referencing the lyrics of the classic Pink Floyd song, Another Brick in the Wall.
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Post by eppinggas on Sept 26, 2022 13:12:31 GMT
I called Waters a contrarian... even by his standards his comments about the war take things to new level. Wonder if he'll get much backlash on his US tour?
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‘It’s my project’: Roger Waters says he’s re-recorded Pink Floyd’s Dark Side of the Moon by himself..upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fd/Roger_Waters_en_el_Palau_Sant_Jordi_de_Barcelona_%28The_Wall_Live%29_-_04_%28crop%29.jpg/220px-Roger_Waters_en_el_Palau_Sant_Jordi_de_Barcelona_%28The_Wall_Live%29_-_04_%28crop%29.jpgRoger Waters hars re-recorded one of Pink Floyd’s most-acclaimed albums – by himself. The musician’s project, which he has been working on in secret, has seen him create a new version of 1973’s The Dark Side of the Moon. According to a new interview, Waters proceeded without telling his former bandmates, including David Gilmour, and has not sought their permission. Discussing the re-record, Waters, 79, told The Telegraph: “I wrote The Dark Side of the Moon. Let’s get rid of all this ‘we’ crap. Of course we were a band – there were four of us, we all contributed – but it’s my project and I wrote it, so, blah.” It’s worth noting that, while Waters wrote the album’s lyrics, he didn’t compose the music for five of the album’s 10 tracks. According to the outlet, the new album includes narration by Waters, who speaks over many instrumental parts of the record. Waters acknowledged a potential issue with the release, stating: “I’m no copyright expert, but might there be some obstacles to that? I have no idea.” The musician also tore into his bandmates, including the late keyboardist Rick Wright, claiming they “can’t write” lyrics. “Well, Nick [Mason, drummer] never pretended. But Gilmour and Rick? They can’t write songs, they’ve nothing to say. They are not artists. They have no ideas – not a single one between them. They never have had, and that drives them crazy.” Wright died in 2008. Waters’ new version of The Dark Side of the Moon , which features songs “Time”, “The Great Gig in the Sky” and “Us and Them”, is currently scheduled to be released in May. The original version is considered one of the great progressive rock records of all time. The Independent has contacted Gilmour and Mason for comment. Earlier this week, the feud between Waters and Gilmour intensified when Gilmour’s wife, novelist and lyricist Polly Samson, accused Rogers of being “a Putin apologist”. Gilmour supported his wife, replying: “Every word demonstrably true.” Their remarks come after Waters’ controversial comments about the ongoing war between Russia and Ukraine.
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Post by eppinggas on Feb 11, 2023 9:03:59 GMT
‘It’s my project’: Roger Waters says he’s re-recorded Pink Floyd’s Dark Side of the Moon by himself..“Well, Nick [Mason, drummer] never pretended. But Gilmour and Rick? They can’t write songs, they’ve nothing to say. They are not artists. They have no ideas – not a single one between them. They never have had, and that drives them crazy.” Bartonesque gobs**tery of the highest order. Seriously - slagging off a former band member that has now sadly passed away? Really? I won't be buying this. |
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Post by bluetornados on Mar 30, 2023 8:11:02 GMT
Pink Floyd drummer Nick Mason has heard Roger Waters' Dark Side of the Moon re-recording: 'Annoyingly, it’s absolutely brilliant!'..i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/03/27/14/69160531-11907071-image-a-44_1679924464978.jpgPink Floyd drummer Nick Mason has backed his former bandmate Roger Waters’ decision to re-record their seminal album 'The Dark Side of the Moon' without the other band members. Earlier this year, bassist-and-singer Roger revealed that he was creating his own new version of the iconic 1973 LP - lauded as one of the greatest records of all-time - to mark its 50th anniversary this March. Roger also took aim at guitarist David Gilmour and late keyboard player Richard Wright in an interview, rubbishing their contributions to the psychedelic rockers’ success. Speaking to The Daily Telegraph newspaper, Roger said: “They can’t write songs, they’ve nothing to say. They are not artists! They have no ideas, not a single one between them. They never have had, and that drives them crazy." Drummer Nick has revealed that he knew about Roger’s 50th anniversary project and was even sent a copy to listen to. Rather than be angry that he is seemingly turning his back on their masterpiece, Nick thinks Roger’s re-imaginings are “brilliant” and is happy he is doing it. Speaking at a playback of 'The Dark Side of the Moon' in Dolby Atmos Immersive Audio at the Odeon Luxe in London, Nick said: “I heard the rumour that Roger was working on his own version of it. There was this suggestion that this was going to be a spoiler and Roger was going to go head-to-head with the original version and so on. “He actually sent me a copy of what he was working on and I write to him and said, ‘Annoyingly, it’s absolutely brilliant!’ It was and is. It’s not anything that would be a spoiler for the original at all, it’s an interesting add-on to the thing." Nick doesn't think music should be untouchable and thinks it is great when songs are reinterpreted or changed because it means they are still evolving and new things are being found in them. The 79-year-old musician - who performs early Pink Floyd tracks with his band Nick Mason's Saucerful of Secrets, which features Spandau Ballet's Gary Kemp - said: "One of the things I like about any sort of existing piece of music is to develop it or find some extra quality in it. “I just like this idea of developing music rather than trying to retain it exactly as it was.” The remastered deluxe box set of 'The Dark Side of the Moon' is out now with fans able to get their hands on the CD and first-ever vinyl issue of 'The Dark Side of the Moon - Live At Wembley Empire Pool, London, 1974', and the book 'Pink Floyd - The Dark Side of the Moon: 50th Anniversary'.
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Post by eppinggas on Apr 11, 2023 11:29:22 GMT
Pink Floyd drummer Nick Mason has heard Roger Waters' Dark Side of the Moon re-recording: 'Annoyingly, it’s absolutely brilliant!'..Pink Floyd drummer Nick Mason has backed his former bandmate Roger Waters’ decision to re-record their seminal album 'The Dark Side of the Moon' without the other band members. Earlier this year, bassist-and-singer Roger revealed that he was creating his own new version of the iconic 1973 LP - lauded as one of the greatest records of all-time - to mark its 50th anniversary this March. Roger also took aim at guitarist David Gilmour and late keyboard player Richard Wright in an interview, rubbishing their contributions to the psychedelic rockers’ success. Speaking to The Daily Telegraph newspaper, Roger said: “They can’t write songs, they’ve nothing to say. They are not artists! They have no ideas, not a single one between them. They never have had, and that drives them crazy." Drummer Nick has revealed that he knew about Roger’s 50th anniversary project and was even sent a copy to listen to. Rather than be angry that he is seemingly turning his back on their masterpiece, Nick thinks Roger’s re-imaginings are “brilliant” and is happy he is doing it. Speaking at a playback of 'The Dark Side of the Moon' in Dolby Atmos Immersive Audio at the Odeon Luxe in London, Nick said: “I heard the rumour that Roger was working on his own version of it. There was this suggestion that this was going to be a spoiler and Roger was going to go head-to-head with the original version and so on. “He actually sent me a copy of what he was working on and I write to him and said, ‘Annoyingly, it’s absolutely brilliant!’ It was and is. It’s not anything that would be a spoiler for the original at all, it’s an interesting add-on to the thing." Nick doesn't think music should be untouchable and thinks it is great when songs are reinterpreted or changed because it means they are still evolving and new things are being found in them. The 79-year-old musician - who performs early Pink Floyd tracks with his band Nick Mason's Saucerful of Secrets, which features Spandau Ballet's Gary Kemp - said: "One of the things I like about any sort of existing piece of music is to develop it or find some extra quality in it. “I just like this idea of developing music rather than trying to retain it exactly as it was.” The remastered deluxe box set of 'The Dark Side of the Moon' is out now with fans able to get their hands on the CD and first-ever vinyl issue of 'The Dark Side of the Moon - Live At Wembley Empire Pool, London, 1974', and the book 'Pink Floyd - The Dark Side of the Moon: 50th Anniversary'. Nick Mason, class act. Roger Waters, is still Roger Waters. |
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Post by bluetornados on May 25, 2023 22:41:57 GMT
MP calls for ban on Pink Floyd’s Roger Waters performing in Manchester..by By Richard Wheeler, PA Parliamentary Editor.
Pink Floyd co-founder Roger Waters should be prevented from performing in Manchester amid fears his “divisive actions” could fuel anti-Jewish hatred, MPs have heard.
The veteran rocker, who left Pink Floyd in 1985, played in Germany while “dressed as an SS soldier”, the House of Commons was told.
Labour MP Christian Wakeford added that Waters used the Star of David on a giant pig and the name of Jewish diarist Anne Frank at his show.
The MP for Bury South voiced concerns over Waters’ gig at the AO Arena in Manchester on June 10 and said it should not go ahead.
Waters this week said people had been “wrongly accusing me of being an antisemite” and said he had been left saddened by people trying to cancel his shows.
Speaking during business questions, Mr Wakeford told the Commons: “The city of Manchester has a rich and vibrant history in which those of different faiths and backgrounds have lived together as well as stood together through difficult times and times of division.
“So I’m concerned to note that Roger Waters is due to play at the AO Arena in Manchester next month.
“Mr Waters performed in Berlin this week and used the name of Anne Frank to stoke division, performed whilst dressed as an SS soldier and used the Star of David on a giant pig to insinuate that Jewish people run the world.
“The Jewish Representative Council of Greater Manchester has issued a statement condemning his divisive actions.
“Will the Leader of the House agree with me that concerts like this have no place in our society and shouldn’t go ahead, and agree to a debate in Government time on the record levels in anti-Jewish hatred in this country?”
Commons Leader Penny Mordaunt replied: “I think the whole House was very shocked at what (Mr Wakeford) has said.
“I shall make certain that the Home Office has heard (Mr Wakeford’s) concerns today and I think that this House has made great efforts, particularly in recent years, to ensure that the scourge of antisemitism is addressed and stamped out from our country.
“I shall certainly make sure that all relevant departments have heard (Mr Wakeford’s) concerns today.”
Waters this week thanked those who had attended his shows in Germany in a Facebook post in which he also paid tribute to the White Rose movement, an anti-Nazi Germany resistance group.
Waters said: “The fact that some in power in Germany and some at the behest of the Israeli lobby have attacked me, wrongly accusing me of being an antisemite, and have tried to cancel my shows saddens me.
“Walking around Munich yesterday afternoon, I couldn’t shake off the feeling that I was in the presence of Big Brother. It leaves a bad taste.”
The Jewish Representative Council of Greater Manchester said in a statement: “Roger Waters is famous for being a member of one of the most important bands in history.
“Unfortunately, he is now more synonymous with spreading deeply troubling political views that will rightly concern Jewish and other communities across Greater Manchester.”
After criticising his actions at a gig in Munich, it added: “Those who are booking Waters to perform must balance whether it is acceptable to be providing a venue for him to spread these views.
“Jewish communities across Greater Manchester are vibrant and thriving. However, allowing Waters to perform risks damaging community cohesion, with the possibility of an increase in hate crime targeting Jewish people.”
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