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Post by alftupper on Jan 26, 2023 8:48:58 GMT
German tanks fighting on the eastern front. It`ll be just like the old days. watch the film "All quiet on the western front" excellent film .. scenes in it that are reminiscent of "modern day" Ukraine, with the wanton destruction of anything that is close by the invaders, just for the sake of it I`ve seen it. Not as good as the original film.
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Post by Nobbygas on Jan 26, 2023 9:24:36 GMT
Great news about the tank situation. just my opinion, but I don't think the Abrams M1 will be used in the fighting, as such. They use a Gas Turbine engine and are fuel hungry and require a high amount of maintenance. At the moment the Ukes have a large number of troops and weapon systems watching the Belarus border and the North East border with Russia. I believe the M1's will be based there in a defensive watch capacity, freeing up the current tanks held there to be used in the South. The same may also apply to the Challenger's the UK are supplying. The Leopards on the other hand are a different beast. Designed to be used by conscript troops (Bundeswehr) so easy to learn and easy to maintain for that same reason. They will pack a real punch if used correctly.
Next up will be F-16's. The vast majority of kit being supplied to Ukraine from other countries is old kit that was held in storage. There isn't a lot of up to date stuff being sent. Countries are holding back a bit on that. The F-16's fall into this category.
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Post by alftupper on Jan 26, 2023 10:16:11 GMT
Great news about the tank situation. just my opinion, but I don't think the Abrams M1 will be used in the fighting, as such. They use a Gas Turbine engine and are fuel hungry and require a high amount of maintenance. At the moment the Ukes have a large number of troops and weapon systems watching the Belarus border and the North East border with Russia. I believe the M1's will be based there in a defensive watch capacity, freeing up the current tanks held there to be used in the South. The same may also apply to the Challenger's the UK are supplying. The Leopards on the other hand are a different beast. Designed to be used by conscript troops (Bundeswehr) so easy to learn and easy to maintain for that same reason. They will pack a real punch if used correctly. Next up will be F-16's. The vast majority of kit being supplied to Ukraine from other countries is old kit that was held in storage. There isn't a lot of up to date stuff being sent. Countries are holding back a bit on that. The F-16's fall into this category. And what happens if the tanks and the F16s turn the tide of war, and the Russians are driven back like the Germans were in 1944? What will Putin do then? Start negotiating? Sue for peace? I don`t think so. It`d be the end of him. I know the west can`t sit back and watch Russia occupy Ukraine. I know the message that would send, especially to China and their designs on Taiwan, but even so, every escalation is worrying.
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Post by bluetornados on Jan 26, 2023 11:50:18 GMT
Great news about the tank situation. just my opinion, but I don't think the Abrams M1 will be used in the fighting, as such. They use a Gas Turbine engine and are fuel hungry and require a high amount of maintenance. At the moment the Ukes have a large number of troops and weapon systems watching the Belarus border and the North East border with Russia. I believe the M1's will be based there in a defensive watch capacity, freeing up the current tanks held there to be used in the South. The same may also apply to the Challenger's the UK are supplying. The Leopards on the other hand are a different beast. Designed to be used by conscript troops (Bundeswehr) so easy to learn and easy to maintain for that same reason. They will pack a real punch if used correctly. Next up will be F-16's. The vast majority of kit being supplied to Ukraine from other countries is old kit that was held in storage. There isn't a lot of up to date stuff being sent. Countries are holding back a bit on that. The F-16's fall into this category. And what happens if the tanks and the F16s turn the tide of war, and the Russians are driven back like the Germans were in 1944? What will Putin do then? Start negotiating? Sue for peace? I don`t think so. It`d be the end of him.I know the west can`t sit back and watch Russia occupy Ukraine. I know the message that would send, especially to China and their designs on Taiwan, but even so, every escalation is worrying. Would be good if it ended the same way as it did for Hitler, another despot departing this world to hell.
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Post by bluetornados on Jan 26, 2023 12:04:14 GMT
watch the film "All quiet on the western front" excellent film .. scenes in it that are reminiscent of "modern day" Ukraine, with the wanton destruction of anything that is close by the invaders, just for the sake of it I`ve seen it. Not as good as the original film. Agree, John-boy was outstanding along with an all star cast...
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Post by Nobbygas on Jan 26, 2023 12:23:11 GMT
Great news about the tank situation. just my opinion, but I don't think the Abrams M1 will be used in the fighting, as such. They use a Gas Turbine engine and are fuel hungry and require a high amount of maintenance. At the moment the Ukes have a large number of troops and weapon systems watching the Belarus border and the North East border with Russia. I believe the M1's will be based there in a defensive watch capacity, freeing up the current tanks held there to be used in the South. The same may also apply to the Challenger's the UK are supplying. The Leopards on the other hand are a different beast. Designed to be used by conscript troops (Bundeswehr) so easy to learn and easy to maintain for that same reason. They will pack a real punch if used correctly. Next up will be F-16's. The vast majority of kit being supplied to Ukraine from other countries is old kit that was held in storage. There isn't a lot of up to date stuff being sent. Countries are holding back a bit on that. The F-16's fall into this category. And what happens if the tanks and the F16s turn the tide of war, and the Russians are driven back like the Germans were in 1944? What will Putin do then? Start negotiating? Sue for peace? I don`t think so. It`d be the end of him. I know the west can`t sit back and watch Russia occupy Ukraine. I know the message that would send, especially to China and their designs on Taiwan, but even so, every escalation is worrying. The Russians have been escalating for years, and the West practically doing nothing has only encouraged them. South Ossetia, and the West did nothing. The Crimea, and apart from a few sanctions and harsh words, the West did nothing. Yes, this may escalate, but if the Russians are not stopped now it will only lead to further war in the future. We cannot let the threat of a nuclear war deter us.
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Post by alftupper on Jan 27, 2023 7:17:50 GMT
I`ve seen it. Not as good as the original film. Agree, John-boy was outstanding along with an all star cast... You know perfectly well, that wasn`t what I meant.
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Post by alftupper on Jan 27, 2023 7:23:07 GMT
And what happens if the tanks and the F16s turn the tide of war, and the Russians are driven back like the Germans were in 1944? What will Putin do then? Start negotiating? Sue for peace? I don`t think so. It`d be the end of him. I know the west can`t sit back and watch Russia occupy Ukraine. I know the message that would send, especially to China and their designs on Taiwan, but even so, every escalation is worrying. The Russians have been escalating for years, and the West practically doing nothing has only encouraged them. South Ossetia, and the West did nothing. The Crimea, and apart from a few sanctions and harsh words, the West did nothing. Yes, this may escalate, but if the Russians are not stopped now it will only lead to further war in the future. We cannot let the threat of a nuclear war deter us. I don`t disagree. And being in my mid 60s, I have less to lose than most if it does all get totally out of control. Still worrying though.
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Post by Nobbygas on Jan 27, 2023 13:52:56 GMT
The Russians have been escalating for years, and the West practically doing nothing has only encouraged them. South Ossetia, and the West did nothing. The Crimea, and apart from a few sanctions and harsh words, the West did nothing. Yes, this may escalate, but if the Russians are not stopped now it will only lead to further war in the future. We cannot let the threat of a nuclear war deter us. I don`t disagree. And being in my mid 60s, I have less to lose than most if it does all get totally out of control. Still worrying though. Well, to bring a little ray of sunshine into your life I just want to say I had a meeting in work today with a bloke called Stefan Titt. It made me chuckle.
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Post by alftupper on Jan 28, 2023 7:30:08 GMT
I don`t disagree. And being in my mid 60s, I have less to lose than most if it does all get totally out of control. Still worrying though. Well, to bring a little ray of sunshine into your life I just want to say I had a meeting in work today with a bloke called Stefan Titt. It made me chuckle. Me too.
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Post by alftupper on Jan 28, 2023 10:26:01 GMT
Am off to the Belgrade derby, Red Star v Partizan on 1st March. It`s a Wednesday evening kick off, so the pyrotechnics should be visible in all their splendour.
Spending a couple of days in Belgrade beforehand, and have been looking forward to it for ages. But it`s just occurred to me, that an English speaker in that part of the world, might not be that popular. With the war in Ukraine going on, and with the very close ties that the Serbs have with the Russians, is it going to be a problem for me? I certainly won`t be wearing a NATO tee shirt. I`ve bought a Serbian flag face mask from Amazon, and hopefully that might help diffuse any situation. Or I could just pretend to be dumb.
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Post by eppinggas on Jan 28, 2023 10:27:33 GMT
watch the film "All quiet on the western front" excellent film .. scenes in it that are reminiscent of "modern day" Ukraine, with the wanton destruction of anything that is close by the invaders, just for the sake of it I`ve seen it. Not as good as the original film. 1930 or 1979? Rarely is a film "as good as the book". The Germans really didn't like it www.theguardian.com/film/2023/jan/27/oscar-all-quiet-on-the-western-front-germany-criticsI thought the 2022 version was very good. But then again I've not read the Erich-Maria Remarque book...
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Post by eppinggas on Jan 28, 2023 10:37:30 GMT
Am off to the Belgrade derby, Red Star v Partizan on 1st March. It`s a Wednesday evening kick off, so the pyrotechnics should be visible in all their splendour. Spending a couple of days in Belgrade beforehand, and have been looking forward to it for ages. But it`s just occurred to me, that an English speaker in that part of the world, might not be that popular. With the war in Ukraine going on, and with the very close ties that the Serbs have with the Russians, is it going to be a problem for me? I certainly won`t be wearing a NATO tee shirt. I`ve bought a Serbian flag face mask from Amazon, and hopefully that might help diffuse any situation. Or I could just pretend to be dumb. Good luck with the trip. You might need it... @chewbacca might have some words of advice. Safe journey.
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Post by lostinspace on Jan 28, 2023 12:49:13 GMT
.... the modern russian army!!!
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Post by alftupper on Jan 30, 2023 7:27:53 GMT
Am off to the Belgrade derby, Red Star v Partizan on 1st March. It`s a Wednesday evening kick off, so the pyrotechnics should be visible in all their splendour. Spending a couple of days in Belgrade beforehand, and have been looking forward to it for ages. But it`s just occurred to me, that an English speaker in that part of the world, might not be that popular. With the war in Ukraine going on, and with the very close ties that the Serbs have with the Russians, is it going to be a problem for me? I certainly won`t be wearing a NATO tee shirt. I`ve bought a Serbian flag face mask from Amazon, and hopefully that might help diffuse any situation. Or I could just pretend to be dumb. Good luck with the trip. You might need it... @chewbacca might have some words of advice. Safe journey. Thanks, Epping. I`ll let you know how it went.
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Post by Nobbygas on Feb 6, 2023 14:05:21 GMT
The Russians are making some progress at the moment, but that is, in my opinion, mainly down to it being Winter. Troops are bogged down, snow everywhere, bloody cold. This suits the Russians as it means that both sides are drawn up and not moving much. This allows them to use their larger numbers of artillery and troops in a 'slug fest'. The Ukes have relied on being mobile so far in this conflict, but the weather has reduced this quite considerably. I still think the Ukes are already planning for Spring. It wouldn't surprise me to see a thrust in the South down the middle, to isolate the Crimea. The Kerch Bridge will also be taken down. Crimea will be difficult to assault and take, so isolate it. Remember, never attack strong points. Attack the weak points, isolate the strong points, which by the very nature of being isolated, will become weak points.
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Post by alftupper on Feb 7, 2023 7:25:01 GMT
The Russians are making some progress at the moment, but that is, in my opinion, mainly down to it being Winter. Troops are bogged down, snow everywhere, bloody cold. This suits the Russians as it means that both sides are drawn up and not moving much. This allows them to use their larger numbers of artillery and troops in a 'slug fest'. The Ukes have relied on being mobile so far in this conflict, but the weather has reduced this quite considerably. I still think the Ukes are already planning for Spring. It wouldn't surprise me to see a thrust in the South down the middle, to isolate the Crimea. The Kerch Bridge will also be taken down. Crimea will be difficult to assault and take, so isolate it. Remember, never attack strong points. Attack the weak points, isolate the strong points, which by the very nature of being isolated, will become weak points. Have you been reading Manstein`s book, "Lost Victories,"?
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Post by Nobbygas on Feb 7, 2023 7:26:31 GMT
The Russians are making some progress at the moment, but that is, in my opinion, mainly down to it being Winter. Troops are bogged down, snow everywhere, bloody cold. This suits the Russians as it means that both sides are drawn up and not moving much. This allows them to use their larger numbers of artillery and troops in a 'slug fest'. The Ukes have relied on being mobile so far in this conflict, but the weather has reduced this quite considerably. I still think the Ukes are already planning for Spring. It wouldn't surprise me to see a thrust in the South down the middle, to isolate the Crimea. The Kerch Bridge will also be taken down. Crimea will be difficult to assault and take, so isolate it. Remember, never attack strong points. Attack the weak points, isolate the strong points, which by the very nature of being isolated, will become weak points. Have you been reading Manstein`s book, "Lost Victories,"? Read it? I ghost wrote it ! Some rules never change though. Look at the stuff Sun Tzu wrote about in the 5th century and many things he said applies to this day.
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Post by eppinggas on Feb 7, 2023 10:45:08 GMT
Sun Tzu: “If you wait by the river long enough, the bodies of your enemies will float by.” Yeah, gotta like that one. (not often you get a Sun Tzu reference kingswood Polak)
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Post by kingswood Polak on Feb 7, 2023 11:14:04 GMT
Sun Tzu: “If you wait by the river long enough, the bodies of your enemies will float by.” Yeah, gotta like that one. (not often you get a Sun Tzu reference kingswood Polak ) I had that book bought me by my father, i was too young to understand it then but it’s one i now go back too, fairly often
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