oldie
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Mar 10, 2024 10:50:03 GMT
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Post by oldie on Mar 10, 2024 10:50:03 GMT
Would you say the same if you had family tortured, killed etc ? I very much doubt it How about the people injured in the 2005 bombings or the Manchester arena atrocity ? they are still suffering but there are no follow up stories in the news now. BLM activist Sasha Johnson shot in the head and terribly wounded, still alive as far as I am aware but its almost as if she had her 'quota' of news space and its time to move on. Gaza will drop down the news as Ukraine has done, US election is a headline grabber now, the EU elections could be too, the stories move on the public have a limited attention span and get bored quickly. No they don't, not when it's continuing death women and children. I think many of us are in disbelief with a sense of helplessness but not bored. You might be, LiS says he is, but that's natural for you as you don't care. What is amazing is people like you become very indignant with people protesting over what is going on in Gaza, full blown hissy fit when a painting is damaged but never acknowledge the appalling suffering of Palestinians.
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Mar 10, 2024 13:13:04 GMT
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Post by lostinspace on Mar 10, 2024 13:13:04 GMT
How about the people injured in the 2005 bombings or the Manchester arena atrocity ? they are still suffering but there are no follow up stories in the news now. BLM activist Sasha Johnson shot in the head and terribly wounded, still alive as far as I am aware but its almost as if she had her 'quota' of news space and its time to move on. Gaza will drop down the news as Ukraine has done, US election is a headline grabber now, the EU elections could be too, the stories move on the public have a limited attention span and get bored quickly. No they don't, not when it's continuing death women and children. I think many of us are in disbelief with a sense of helplessness but not bored. You might be, LiS says he is, but that's natural for you as you don't care. What is amazing is people like you become very indignant with people protesting over what is going on in Gaza, full blown hissy fit when a painting is damaged but never acknowledge the appalling suffering of Palestinians. [br And just who voted into power the people initially responsible for the ongoing carnage...not that I don't care it's the total bias of news toward the Palestinians and the persistent and IMV irrelevant marches going on in this country, if these people are so outraged about the Injustice in their " homeland " then go back and help your fellow country men/ women, I would imagine. Lot of those protesting would have no idea where Gaza is ...
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Mar 10, 2024 13:24:44 GMT
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Post by oldie on Mar 10, 2024 13:24:44 GMT
No they don't, not when it's continuing death women and children. I think many of us are in disbelief with a sense of helplessness but not bored. You might be, LiS says he is, but that's natural for you as you don't care. What is amazing is people like you become very indignant with people protesting over what is going on in Gaza, full blown hissy fit when a painting is damaged but never acknowledge the appalling suffering of Palestinians. [br And just who voted into power the people initially responsible for the ongoing carnage...not that I don't care it's the total bias of news toward the Palestinians and the persistent and IMV irrelevant marches going on in this country, if these people are so outraged about the Injustice in their " homeland " then go back and help your fellow country men/ women, I would imagine. Lot of those protesting would have no idea where Gaza is ... Like the ones who quoted our history and the Balfour Declaration you mean? I would imagine many of our fellow countryman have no idea what the Balfour Declaration was, or our role in the region upto 1948. Where should these numb nuts go?
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Mar 10, 2024 14:51:59 GMT
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Post by lostinspace on Mar 10, 2024 14:51:59 GMT
[br And just who voted into power the people initially responsible for the ongoing carnage...not that I don't care it's the total bias of news toward the Palestinians and the persistent and IMV irrelevant marches going on in this country, if these people are so outraged about the Injustice in their " homeland " then go back and help your fellow country men/ women, I would imagine. Lot of those protesting would have no idea where Gaza is ... Like the ones who quoted our history and the Balfour Declaration you mean? I would imagine many of our fellow countryman have no idea what the Balfour Declaration was, or our role in the region upto 1948. Where should these numb nuts go? Precisely
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Mar 10, 2024 15:45:47 GMT
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Post by oldie on Mar 10, 2024 15:45:47 GMT
Like the ones who quoted our history and the Balfour Declaration you mean? I would imagine many of our fellow countryman have no idea what the Balfour Declaration was, or our role in the region upto 1948. Where should these numb nuts go? Precisely We should deport our fellow countryman who knows nothing? Which country would you recommend? I heard Rwanda is safe, decent place.
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Post by Nobbygas on Mar 11, 2024 6:56:18 GMT
How about the people injured in the 2005 bombings or the Manchester arena atrocity ? they are still suffering but there are no follow up stories in the news now. BLM activist Sasha Johnson shot in the head and terribly wounded, still alive as far as I am aware but its almost as if she had her 'quota' of news space and its time to move on. Gaza will drop down the news as Ukraine has done, US election is a headline grabber now, the EU elections could be too, the stories move on the public have a limited attention span and get bored quickly. No they don't, not when it's continuing death women and children. I think many of us are in disbelief with a sense of helplessness but not bored. You might be, LiS says he is, but that's natural for you as you don't care. What is amazing is people like you become very indignant with people protesting over what is going on in Gaza, full blown hissy fit when a painting is damaged but never acknowledge the appalling suffering of Palestinians. Everyone aknowledges the suffering in Gaza. However, we all know the answer to stopping it, and it could happen today. If the Palestinians released the hostages it would all stop. However the Palestinians are weaponising their own people.
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Mar 11, 2024 9:25:47 GMT
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Post by oldie on Mar 11, 2024 9:25:47 GMT
No they don't, not when it's continuing death women and children. I think many of us are in disbelief with a sense of helplessness but not bored. You might be, LiS says he is, but that's natural for you as you don't care. What is amazing is people like you become very indignant with people protesting over what is going on in Gaza, full blown hissy fit when a painting is damaged but never acknowledge the appalling suffering of Palestinians. Everyone aknowledges the suffering in Gaza. However, we all know the answer to stopping it, and it could happen today. If the Palestinians released the hostages it would all stop. However the Palestinians are weaponising their own people. I am starting to believe that HAMAS are not in full control of the whereabouts of the hostages taken during that appalling act of violence. Even whether they are still alive
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Post by Nobbygas on Mar 11, 2024 9:55:38 GMT
Everyone aknowledges the suffering in Gaza. However, we all know the answer to stopping it, and it could happen today. If the Palestinians released the hostages it would all stop. However the Palestinians are weaponising their own people. I am starting to believe that HAMAS are not in full control of the whereabouts of the hostages taken during that appalling act of violence. Even whether they are still alive Only starting to believe it? Why do you think very few people talk about 'Hamas' and now just use the term 'Palestinians'? They cannot return any hostages (dead or alive) until the Iranians tell them to do so. For the Iranians it suits their purpose to prolong the conflict. The 'Palestinian people' are just useful idiots to the Iranians.
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Post by trymer on Mar 11, 2024 14:43:35 GMT
No they don't, not when it's continuing death women and children. I think many of us are in disbelief with a sense of helplessness but not bored. You might be, LiS says he is, but that's natural for you as you don't care. What is amazing is people like you become very indignant with people protesting over what is going on in Gaza, full blown hissy fit when a painting is damaged but never acknowledge the appalling suffering of Palestinians. [br And just who voted into power the people initially responsible for the ongoing carnage...not that I don't care it's the total bias of news toward the Palestinians and the persistent and IMV irrelevant marches going on in this country, if these people are so outraged about the Injustice in their " homeland " then go back and help your fellow country men/ women, I would imagine. Lot of those protesting would have no idea where Gaza is ... Looking at the state of some of the people at these demonstrations I dont think that they know where they are let alone where Gaza is. They would never go and help or fight for "their" cause, same as Greta Thunberg and the eco mob wont demonstrate in India or China (the big pollutors) these demonstrations are a bit of a social event for lost people also they like being in a mob because it makes them feel powerful.
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Post by Nobbygas on Mar 11, 2024 15:17:10 GMT
I've seen all the signs saying "stop arming Israel". Not seen a single one saying "stop arming the Palestinians". Not seen a single Palestinian supporter demonstrating outside the Iranian Embassy to moan about about supplying weapons to the Palestinians. I haven't seen any signs during the Palestinian protests in the UK calling for the Palestinians to free the hostages.
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Mar 11, 2024 18:39:25 GMT
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Post by oldie on Mar 11, 2024 18:39:25 GMT
I am starting to believe that HAMAS are not in full control of the whereabouts of the hostages taken during that appalling act of violence. Even whether they are still alive Only starting to believe it? Why do you think very few people talk about 'Hamas' and now just use the term 'Palestinians'? They cannot return any hostages (dead or alive) until the Iranians tell them to do so. For the Iranians it suits their purpose to prolong the conflict. The 'Palestinian people' are just useful idiots to the Iranians. Well, I would like to see what evidence you have for that. As far as I am aware Hesbollah and the Iranians were pretty miffed with HAMAS because they had not been involved with the plans for October 7. Allegedly
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Mar 11, 2024 18:40:32 GMT
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Post by oldie on Mar 11, 2024 18:40:32 GMT
[br And just who voted into power the people initially responsible for the ongoing carnage...not that I don't care it's the total bias of news toward the Palestinians and the persistent and IMV irrelevant marches going on in this country, if these people are so outraged about the Injustice in their " homeland " then go back and help your fellow country men/ women, I would imagine. Lot of those protesting would have no idea where Gaza is ... Looking at the state of some of the people at these demonstrations I dont think that they know where they are let alone where Gaza is. They would never go and help or fight for "their" cause, same as Greta Thunberg and the eco mob wont demonstrate in India or China (the big pollutors) these demonstrations are a bit of a social event for lost people also they like being in a mob because it makes them feel powerful. As if you would actually know. I mean, really
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Post by trymer on Mar 12, 2024 11:09:40 GMT
There are a few videos online showing a van load of Uke draft dodgers caught and beaten by an SBU goon squad at the Uke/Romania border. I am against conscription anywhere, I see it as a form of slavery but Ukraine is a very corrrupt country where people in high positions evade the draft,and bribes have been taken for draft exemptions. I wonder if any of the SBU thugs actually ever serve at the front,if they dont it is out of order that they can send people into the meat grinder.
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Mar 12, 2024 11:38:16 GMT
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Post by lostinspace on Mar 12, 2024 11:38:16 GMT
There are a few videos online showing a van load of Uke draft dodgers caught and beaten by an SBU goon squad at the Uke/Romania border. I am against conscription anywhere, I see it as a form of slavery but Ukraine is a very corrrupt country where people in high positions evade the draft,and bribes have been taken for draft exemptions. I wonder if any of the SBU thugs actually ever serve at the front,if they dont it is out of order that they can send people into the meat grinder. Think that also applies/ d when the Military Police,in UK soil were on the prowl ,would " aprehend " some miscreants with at sometimes brutal force,but we're never front line personel
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Mar 12, 2024 12:27:08 GMT
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Post by oldie on Mar 12, 2024 12:27:08 GMT
Gotta love those on line videos. Fact checked anyone?
No? I thought not
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Post by Nobbygas on Mar 12, 2024 13:51:12 GMT
There are a few videos online showing a van load of Uke draft dodgers caught and beaten by an SBU goon squad at the Uke/Romania border. I am against conscription anywhere, I see it as a form of slavery but Ukraine is a very corrrupt country where people in high positions evade the draft,and bribes have been taken for draft exemptions. I wonder if any of the SBU thugs actually ever serve at the front,if they dont it is out of order that they can send people into the meat grinder. The conscription age in Ukraine is 27. They may reduce that at some point in the future. Will some people avoid it? Of course they will, that's human nature. Do the elite avoid these things? Of course they do. Let's look at the two candidates for the next POTUS :- "The claim: Former Vice President Joe Biden received five draft deferments from the Vietnam War Posts on Facebook honed in on former Vice President Joe Biden and his record of military service — or lack thereof. "Lifeguard/Football player Joe Biden got five draft deferments for asthma during Vietnam," a post claims, alongside a photo of high-school-aged Biden. Some users also compared his record with that of his opponent, President Donald Trump. "Well well well!!!! We finally have a Rebuttal to the Dems saying Trump was a draft dodger.." another post reads. Biden received five student draft deferments and a medical exemption Born in November 1942, Biden came of age amid the Vietnam War. But unlike millions of men of his generation, he never served in the military. Biden received five student draft deferments, first as an undergraduate at the University of Delaware and later as a law student at Syracuse University. And after a medical exam in April 1968, he received the "1-Y" classification, which meant he could only be drafted in a national emergency. Biden released his Selective Service records to the Associated Press in 2008. At the time, a spokesperson said he was "disqualified from service because of asthma as a teenager," per The News Journal. Trump received four student draft deferments and a medical exemption Born in June 1946, Trump was also a member of the generation called up to serve in the Vietnam War. Like Biden, he never did. He received four student draft deferments while an undergraduate at the Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania. And in the spring of 1968, he, too, received the "1-Y" classification — for bone spurs in his heels, per The New York Times. Both candidates played sports prior to medical exemptions Reports have noted that both candidates played sports and appeared relatively healthy prior to their medical exemptions. As the viral meme says, Biden played football and worked as a lifeguard in high school — details he included in his memoir, "Promises to Keep," per a report from the Associated Press. Similarly, the New York Times observed that Trump had played football, tennis, and squash, and "seemed the picture of health" prior to his medical exemption. Our rating: True Based on our research, the claim that Biden received five draft deferments is TRUE. He was granted five deferments as a student before he received a medical exemption for asthma. Similarly, Trump was granted four deferments as a student before his exemption for bone spurs."
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Post by trymer on Mar 12, 2024 14:17:21 GMT
There are a few videos online showing a van load of Uke draft dodgers caught and beaten by an SBU goon squad at the Uke/Romania border. I am against conscription anywhere, I see it as a form of slavery but Ukraine is a very corrrupt country where people in high positions evade the draft,and bribes have been taken for draft exemptions. I wonder if any of the SBU thugs actually ever serve at the front,if they dont it is out of order that they can send people into the meat grinder. The conscription age in Ukraine is 27. They may reduce that at some point in the future. Will some people avoid it? Of course they will, that's human nature. Do the elite avoid these things? Of course they do. Let's look at the two candidates for the next POTUS :- "The claim: Former Vice President Joe Biden received five draft deferments from the Vietnam War Posts on Facebook honed in on former Vice President Joe Biden and his record of military service — or lack thereof. "Lifeguard/Football player Joe Biden got five draft deferments for asthma during Vietnam," a post claims, alongside a photo of high-school-aged Biden. Some users also compared his record with that of his opponent, President Donald Trump. "Well well well!!!! We finally have a Rebuttal to the Dems saying Trump was a draft dodger.." another post reads. Biden received five student draft deferments and a medical exemption Born in November 1942, Biden came of age amid the Vietnam War. But unlike millions of men of his generation, he never served in the military. Biden received five student draft deferments, first as an undergraduate at the University of Delaware and later as a law student at Syracuse University. And after a medical exam in April 1968, he received the "1-Y" classification, which meant he could only be drafted in a national emergency. Biden released his Selective Service records to the Associated Press in 2008. At the time, a spokesperson said he was "disqualified from service because of asthma as a teenager," per The News Journal. Trump received four student draft deferments and a medical exemption Born in June 1946, Trump was also a member of the generation called up to serve in the Vietnam War. Like Biden, he never did. He received four student draft deferments while an undergraduate at the Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania. And in the spring of 1968, he, too, received the "1-Y" classification — for bone spurs in his heels, per The New York Times. Both candidates played sports prior to medical exemptions Reports have noted that both candidates played sports and appeared relatively healthy prior to their medical exemptions. As the viral meme says, Biden played football and worked as a lifeguard in high school — details he included in his memoir, "Promises to Keep," per a report from the Associated Press. Similarly, the New York Times observed that Trump had played football, tennis, and squash, and "seemed the picture of health" prior to his medical exemption. Our rating: True Based on our research, the claim that Biden received five draft deferments is TRUE. He was granted five deferments as a student before he received a medical exemption for asthma. Similarly, Trump was granted four deferments as a student before his exemption for bone spurs." Military medical status seem a bit strange to me,I knew someone who passed his medical to do National service although he had had Polio and had significant muscle loss in one leg,he was merely excused boots and had to do his 2 years. His big gripe was that people with flat feet were not necessarily made to do National service and got further ahead in their civilian jobs over the two years. I can imagine people being able to play sport but still not be up to the medical standard for the military let alone active service, however surely most people even those with flat feet,asthma or bone spurs (wtf are they ?) could be found some job to do ?
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Post by trymer on Mar 12, 2024 14:20:20 GMT
There are a few videos online showing a van load of Uke draft dodgers caught and beaten by an SBU goon squad at the Uke/Romania border. I am against conscription anywhere, I see it as a form of slavery but Ukraine is a very corrrupt country where people in high positions evade the draft,and bribes have been taken for draft exemptions. I wonder if any of the SBU thugs actually ever serve at the front,if they dont it is out of order that they can send people into the meat grinder. Think that also applies/ d when the Military Police,in UK soil were on the prowl ,would " aprehend " some miscreants with at sometimes brutal force,but we're never front line personel I worked with some ex servicemen from WW2,most of them had a story to tell about coming home after 2,3 or 4 years foreign service only to be pulled up (usually at a train station) by some redcap and told to get a haircut or do their jacket buttons up, a cause for some resentment.
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Mar 13, 2024 14:41:39 GMT
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Post by lostinspace on Mar 13, 2024 14:41:39 GMT
So now Russia has produced a book aimed school going persons of 15 - 18 years encouraging them to enlist in the fight against Ukraine, giving distorted views of the actual situation and just WHO invaded who!!.. no surprises there ..just how low can you get, sending kids into a mindless and pathetic situation for one mans fantasy
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Mar 13, 2024 18:09:59 GMT
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Post by oldie on Mar 13, 2024 18:09:59 GMT
So now Russia has produced a book aimed school going persons of 15 - 18 years encouraging them to enlist in the fight against Ukraine, giving distorted views of the actual situation and just WHO invaded who!!.. no surprises there ..just how low can you get, sending kids into a mindless and pathetic situation for one mans fantasy Just try, for context, the loonies banning books in the States. Has not happened here yet, as long as we can keep Reform Party at bay.
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