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May 4, 2023 14:55:57 GMT
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Post by Mrs V Smegma on May 4, 2023 14:55:57 GMT
Some people have a different memory of the Trump presidency to me,I dont remember any major wars or flare ups (certainly nothing like we have seen since) Trump says that 'war is bad for business' This war (and the knee jerk sanctions) are ruining economies and will cause hunger and starvation, I am sure that Trump would stop it,he went to meet whatisname in North Korea and met Putin. History will see that Trump was a great World leader,I wouldnt be surprised if he gets a Nobel peace prize. Unlike eg Obama,Trumps face does'nt agree with those that give out NPP. His narcissistic misogynistic petulant and infantile personality and trying to undermine the US democratic system by falsely claiming election fraud and inciting an insurrection are not compatible with the criteria for a NPP i.e. "done the most or the best work for fraternity between nations, for the abolition or reduction of standing armies and for the holding and promotion of peace congresses".
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Post by trymer on May 4, 2023 14:57:51 GMT
Some people have a different memory of the Trump presidency to me,I dont remember any major wars or flare ups (certainly nothing like we have seen since) Trump says that 'war is bad for business' This war (and the knee jerk sanctions) are ruining economies and will cause hunger and starvation, I am sure that Trump would stop it,he went to meet whatisname in North Korea and met Putin. History will see that Trump was a great World leader,I wouldnt be surprised if he gets a Nobel peace prize. Clearly likes hobnobbing with prover war criminals. What did this achieve exactly? I’d argue that his sycophancy snd sucking up to Putin has emboldened the latter and resulted directly in the Ukraine conflict. Luckily there is a long list of more worthy candidates for a NPP ahead of him. Giving the orange w**kpuffin a NPP would be akin to giving one to any of the creatures on the following lists en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:People_indicted_for_war_crimesI’m also no fan of Blair either and despite the good he did as pm his legacy will always be tarnished with the dodgy dossier and cosying up to Bush Jr Emboldened Putin...didnt Putin invade Ukraine in 2014 ? that was before Trumps presidency,he didnt do anything for the 4 years of Trump and then invades again when Biden is in power..not sure how Trump gets any blame for this. What did this achieve ? how about 4 years of peace,how some of us would like those peaceful days back,and if North Korea decide to join in the mayhem it really will be WW3. The good that Blair did as PM.....remind me because I must have missed it.
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Post by Nobbygas on May 4, 2023 15:08:47 GMT
Almost tells it's own tale as the ruskies have now blamed the USA for enabling those " drones" to get to the Kremlin with electronic aid ..so tiresome....you would really think that somewhere amongst the millions of people in that country there would be some sort of uprising large enough to overthrow the current loonies in power Happening the world over. Replace that country with this country and you are on the money Are you suggesting that in the UK we should ignore Democracy? You almost sound like Trump in that you believe that your side is right and should rise up against anyone else who don't conform to your political viewpoint. Our Democracy may not be perfect, but it's a damned sight better than in places like Russia !
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May 4, 2023 15:54:09 GMT
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Post by oldie on May 4, 2023 15:54:09 GMT
Happening the world over. Replace that country with this country and you are on the money Are you suggesting that in the UK we should ignore Democracy? You almost sound like Trump in that you believe that your side is right and should rise up against anyone else who don't conform to your political viewpoint. Our Democracy may not be perfect, but it's a damned sight better than in places like Russia ! I don't think Mrs V is suggesting that. I notice this today, referencing Trump supporters "A jury has found four members of the Proud Boys guilty of seditious conspiracy over the January 6 Capitol riot Ex-Proud Boys leader Enrique Tarrio's conviction follows a four month long trial and week of jury deliberation Joseph Biggs, Ethan Nordean Zachary Rehl were also found guilty, but the jury was unable to reach a verdict for Dominic Pezzola The seditious conspiracy charge alone carries a sentence of up to 20 years in prison"
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May 4, 2023 18:14:58 GMT
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Post by Mrs V Smegma on May 4, 2023 18:14:58 GMT
Clearly likes hobnobbing with prover war criminals. What did this achieve exactly? I’d argue that his sycophancy snd sucking up to Putin has emboldened the latter and resulted directly in the Ukraine conflict. Luckily there is a long list of more worthy candidates for a NPP ahead of him. Giving the orange w**kpuffin a NPP would be akin to giving one to any of the creatures on the following lists en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:People_indicted_for_war_crimesI’m also no fan of Blair either and despite the good he did as pm his legacy will always be tarnished with the dodgy dossier and cosying up to Bush Jr Emboldened Putin...didnt Putin invade Ukraine in 2014 ? that was before Trumps presidency,he didnt do anything for the 4 years of Trump and then invades again when Biden is in power..not sure how Trump gets any blame for this. What did this achieve ? how about 4 years of peace,how some of us would like those peaceful days back,and if North Korea decide to join in the mayhem it really will be WW3. The good that Blair did as PM.....remind me because I must have missed it. Quite a lot of good - take your pick from the link fullfact.org/economy/labour-inequality-1997-2010/Not perfect and still favoured the rich and could have done better on income inequality Trumps presidency was not some halcyon days utopian period.. There were ongoing conflicts he did nothing to help and which deteriorated during his time. He also created massive division and unrest both at home and with US relations with other nations. amp.cnn.com/cnn/2022/03/26/politics/trump-putin-ukraine/index.htmlHere’s an American view on both Trump and Biden’s approach to Putin. Looks pretty conclusive to me that Trump laid the foundations for increasing Russian aggression in Ukraine
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May 4, 2023 18:28:48 GMT
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Post by Mrs V Smegma on May 4, 2023 18:28:48 GMT
Happening the world over. Replace that country with this country and you are on the money Are you suggesting that in the UK we should ignore Democracy? You almost sound like Trump in that you believe that your side is right and should rise up against anyone else who don't conform to your political viewpoint. Our Democracy may not be perfect, but it's a damned sight better than in places like Russia ! We do not have democracy here. It is a complete and utter sham and we are being manipulated and exploited by a small very wealthy elite. Corruption runs rife here only it is better and deeper hidden under the veneer of our so called democracy than it is in developing nations. It is more sinister and even less honest than what goes on in somewhere like Somalia. This Government is doing all it can to suppress all views that it does not like so bit by bit we are becoming more like Russia
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May 4, 2023 19:05:15 GMT
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Post by oldie on May 4, 2023 19:05:15 GMT
Are you suggesting that in the UK we should ignore Democracy? You almost sound like Trump in that you believe that your side is right and should rise up against anyone else who don't conform to your political viewpoint. Our Democracy may not be perfect, but it's a damned sight better than in places like Russia ! We do not have democracy here. It is a complete and utter sham and we are being manipulated and exploited by a small very wealthy elite. Corruption runs rife here only it is better and deeper hidden under the veneer of our so called democracy than it is in developing nations. It is more sinister and even less honest than what goes on in somewhere like Somalia. This Government is doing all it can to suppress all views that it does not like so bit by bit we are becoming more like Russia This, absolutely
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Post by Nobbygas on May 4, 2023 20:11:33 GMT
Are you suggesting that in the UK we should ignore Democracy? You almost sound like Trump in that you believe that your side is right and should rise up against anyone else who don't conform to your political viewpoint. Our Democracy may not be perfect, but it's a damned sight better than in places like Russia ! We do not have democracy here. It is a complete and utter sham and we are being manipulated and exploited by a small very wealthy elite. Corruption runs rife here only it is better and deeper hidden under the veneer of our so called democracy than it is in developing nations. It is more sinister and even less honest than what goes on in somewhere like Somalia. This Government is doing all it can to suppress all views that it does not like so bit by bit we are becoming more like Russia What utter nonsense. Have you ever been to Somalia?
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May 4, 2023 20:38:16 GMT
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Post by Mrs V Smegma on May 4, 2023 20:38:16 GMT
We do not have democracy here. It is a complete and utter sham and we are being manipulated and exploited by a small very wealthy elite. Corruption runs rife here only it is better and deeper hidden under the veneer of our so called democracy than it is in developing nations. It is more sinister and even less honest than what goes on in somewhere like Somalia. This Government is doing all it can to suppress all views that it does not like so bit by bit we are becoming more like Russia What utter nonsense. Have you ever been to Somalia? Well you wouldn’t know would you because you spend your time living in the EU - the organisation you dislike so much. If you think it is so great here then surrender any EU citizenship you and your family might enjoy and come and live back in the UK. That way you’d look less like a hypocrite
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May 4, 2023 20:44:12 GMT
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Post by baselswh on May 4, 2023 20:44:12 GMT
What utter nonsense. Have you ever been to Somalia? Well you wouldn’t know would you because you spend your time living in the EU - the organisation you dislike so much. If you think it is so great here then surrender any EU citizenship you and your family might enjoy and come and live back in the UK. That way you’d look less like a hypocrite Why don't you join Old and move to Brussels?
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May 4, 2023 21:00:37 GMT
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Post by Mrs V Smegma on May 4, 2023 21:00:37 GMT
Problem is that when our right to freedom of movement was fraudulently removed on the basis of a fundamentally flawed advisory referendum, our ability to do this was massively degraded. I’ve very much enjoyed living and working in the EU and will enjoy it again when we rejoin the EU. This is coming sooner than you think.
Been to the mosque yet?
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May 4, 2023 21:08:14 GMT
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Post by oldie on May 4, 2023 21:08:14 GMT
Problem is that when our right to freedom of movement was fraudulently removed on the basis of a fundamentally flawed advisory referendum, our ability to do this was massively degraded. I’ve very much enjoyed living and working in the EU and will enjoy it again when we rejoin the EU. This is coming sooner than you think. Been to the mosque yet? Ha ha Can you imagine
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May 4, 2023 21:09:33 GMT
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Post by oldie on May 4, 2023 21:09:33 GMT
Well you wouldn’t know would you because you spend your time living in the EU - the organisation you dislike so much. If you think it is so great here then surrender any EU citizenship you and your family might enjoy and come and live back in the UK. That way you’d look less like a hypocrite Why don't you join Old and move to Brussels? Who is "Old"? Me? True But I cannot move to Brussels because of people like you
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May 4, 2023 21:09:56 GMT
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Post by Mrs V Smegma on May 4, 2023 21:09:56 GMT
Live stream it Baself. Live stream it. I’d even pay to watch
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May 4, 2023 21:12:15 GMT
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Post by oldie on May 4, 2023 21:12:15 GMT
Live stream it Baself. Live stream it. I’d even pay to watch Me too
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May 4, 2023 21:18:19 GMT
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Post by baselswh on May 4, 2023 21:18:19 GMT
3 month stays,then back to dear old Blighty for a while,then back you go.Etc.
Failing that,you could both 'get lost' in the Muslim area.Many do.
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May 4, 2023 21:21:51 GMT
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Post by baselswh on May 4, 2023 21:21:51 GMT
Problem is that when our right to freedom of movement was fraudulently removed on the basis of a fundamentally flawed advisory referendum, our ability to do this was massively degraded. I’ve very much enjoyed living and working in the EU and will enjoy it again when we rejoin the EU. This is coming sooner than you think. Been to the mosque yet? Haha! How long are you planning on living? Or is it a reincarnation you're banking on? The UK won't be in EU again.
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Post by Cheshiregas on May 4, 2023 21:30:46 GMT
We do not have democracy here. It is a complete and utter sham and we are being manipulated and exploited by a small very wealthy elite. Corruption runs rife here only it is better and deeper hidden under the veneer of our so called democracy than it is in developing nations. It is more sinister and even less honest than what goes on in somewhere like Somalia. This Government is doing all it can to suppress all views that it does not like so bit by bit we are becoming more like Russia What utter nonsense. Have you ever been to Somalia? No but I have been to Central and Eastern Europe and they have harsh memories of Soviet censorship. They were also good at banning protest. Have you heard about the laws being pushed through in the UK to suspend protests over the weekend and threats made to Republican protestors BEFORE they have even protested? We used to believe that only happened in other countries. And in more recent news...Bloody lefty non-political organisations moaning about the UK 9 COUNTRIES TO WATCH ON THE 2022 CORRUPTION PERCEPTIONS INDEX www.transparency.org/en/blog/cpi-2022-corruption-watch-list-united-kingdom-sri-lanka-georgia-ukraine1. UNITED KINGDOM With a five-point decline since 2021, the UK (CPI score: 73) stands as a warning that countries in the top tier of the index are still vulnerable to the perception of corruption and undue influence. Public trust in government is worryingly low after a string of political “sleaze” and public spending scandals, which showcased how easily political access could be bought by private interests and exposed loopholes that let public officials regulate their own conduct. Individuals with political connections were appointed to senior public-sector roles during the COVID-19 pandemic. More worryingly, a fifth of UK COVID-19 contracts raised red flags, warranting further investigation. There was systematic bias in the awarding of PPE contracts to those with political connections, via the government’s “VIP lane”. This cross-over of vested interests and political power puts public money at risk and impairs the government’s response to the economic crisis. Democratic institutions have also come under attack and opportunities for parliamentary scrutiny have been reduced. All of this has raised serious questions about transparency in Westminster. In recent years, lobbying scandals in Parliament and revelations about the extent of potential ministerial misconduct have further highlighted the woeful inadequacy of the systems that are supposed to protect integrity and standards in public life. A new code of conduct for parliamentarians and the appointment of a new ethics advisor – even if after some delay – are steps in the right direction. If the government is truly committed to restoring trust in politics, it needs to overhaul how the standards and conduct of elected representatives are regulated to stop the slide.
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May 4, 2023 21:39:58 GMT
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Post by Mrs V Smegma on May 4, 2023 21:39:58 GMT
Problem is that when our right to freedom of movement was fraudulently removed on the basis of a fundamentally flawed advisory referendum, our ability to do this was massively degraded. I’ve very much enjoyed living and working in the EU and will enjoy it again when we rejoin the EU. This is coming sooner than you think. Been to the mosque yet? Haha! How long are you planning on living? Or is it a reincarnation you're banking on? The UK won't be in EU again. Oh it will - inevitable given demographics with xenophobic gammons popping their clogs at an increasing rate and the next generation of voters seeing through the lies and propaganda of the ERG traitors and their puppet masters. Within the next 5 years would be my guess How do you reckon the referendum would play out now if repeated? Democracy and the “will of the people” is not a one time event, no matter how hard you wish it to be. And boy will I ram it home to the remaining handful of Brexs**tters when that happens. Will probably be able to count them on two hands by then - just like the audience of Gammon news
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May 4, 2023 21:46:28 GMT
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Post by baselswh on May 4, 2023 21:46:28 GMT
Haha! How long are you planning on living? Or is it a reincarnation you're banking on? The UK won't be in EU again. Oh it will - inevitable given demographics with xenophobic gammons popping their clogs at an increasing rate and the next generation of voters seeing through the lies and propaganda of the ERG traitors and their puppet masters. Within the next 5 years would be my guess How do you reckon the referendum would play out now if repeated? Democracy and the “will of the people” is not a one time event, no matter how hard you wish it to be. And boy will I ram it home to the remaining handful of Brexs**tters when that happens. Will probably be able to count them on two hands by then - just like the audience of Gammon news Drunk on Remain failiure. Dream on.
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