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Post by trymer on Nov 28, 2021 9:20:54 GMT
From my Gump friend.. Best chant from the FGR today, to the tune of Kumbaya.. 'she said no Joey, she said no...' Local amateur club with no fans and no history leaving us behind on and off the pitch and taking the p&ss out of us on the way. Rovers history being Watney cup winners ? I agree that FGR are overtaking Rovers and their future could be bright as they seem to be well run.
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Post by trymer on Nov 28, 2021 9:31:56 GMT
I think we were all expecting a defeat today, and that is what happened. The current Forest Green Rovers team shows you what can be done on a limited budget, from a club with limited resources. I don't begrudge them their success at all. They will be in League One next season and fair play to them. Long term we will overtake them as we have more potential, hopefully the club are putting the foundations for that in place now. I'm not bothered by the defeat today, I am bothered about the recent dropped points against Tranmere and Salford. Those were games we HAVE to win if we are to be considered playoff contenders, which we currently are not. This team has stabilised us, and relegation is not a concern now. We may have to accept that promotion is not going to happen this year. I agree with a lot of this but I question 'we have more potential' I dont know why you say that,I could see Rovers having the potential to be the next Bury or Stockport etc. Wrexham have been out of the league for a while,they should have the potential to do well but its how you do today that counts,Wycombe,FGR,Harrogate,Salford and Sutton are all above Rovers at present,Crawley and Stevenage not far behind,traditional opponents like Chesterfield,Wrexham,Stockport etc are non league. Some of the newer clubs if they are well run and financially sound could have more potential than older debt ridden clubs,FGR have a large catchment area,if more houses are built in those towns and villages and IF FGR were to get to the Championship they might get better crowds than Rovers do.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2021 10:50:04 GMT
The UK honours system thinks that Hippy Boy is better than Wael, one has a OBE, the other doesn't. There aren't any exact figures, but anything between £100~300 million keeps coming up when you search for Vince's nett worth. What's Wael's personal nett worth please? Anyway, define 'better', Vince has picked up that village team and will have them in L1 before too long, despite having no support base, Wael was handed a club on the verge on a second straight promotion, with a stadium that holds double FGR's capacity, and has a huge support base, so far we've run up massive losses and got relegated. I would like to say that we hold the moral high ground as they employed Pipe, who I'm pretty sure never represented us again after his 'brush with the law', but Wael has put us in a position where we can't really stand in moral judgement on any other clubs right now What's wrong with that other forum, that's 2 people in 2 days that have come over from there complaining of bullying. Who's the other one out of interest? And why? Yeah, you cant have a view over there if you don't agree with a select few. In the last year I have been...as well as others, relentlessly called a bigot and a racist due to views on different subjects ( Non Rovers related) and not agreeing with some mods and a few posters over there. The other day I was banned over my opinion on the advert about father Christmas being gay! - No warning, just a banning by Hugo the Elder, and a few others deciding that they didn't agree with me so I was clearly a bigot and a racist so I was gone! lol Well done! Not sad at all.. as it proves what they are! First off I have 2 accounts there under very different names from years ago, so I will continute posting on that site if only in the Rovers section as that's all I require.. and that's my choice. I'm not a angry/livid white man as they have suggested...LOL But wanted grown up debate which they will not let happen unless you agree with them. The thing is that I posted 1600 posts over there, I guess 1400 were all Rovers related, and never once was did I have an argument about the gas with anyone. I was also on the old Official forum for many years, and the same was said there. Only trouble happened when talking in the general debate about politics over with those bullies.. Only viewed this site daily until now as its seems alot slower that the other one, but it seems alot more open for adult debate then over there. We have a ''General Discussion'' section here. It's a kind of unspoken rule that we try to keep this section for Rovers related stuff. A lot of people have zero interest in politics and general gossip and don't want it cluttering up the football section. Pop over to that other section to discuss this type of thing.
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Post by lostinspace on Nov 28, 2021 11:12:53 GMT
I think we were all expecting a defeat today, and that is what happened. The current Forest Green Rovers team shows you what can be done on a limited budget, from a club with limited resources. I don't begrudge them their success at all. They will be in League One next season and fair play to them. Long term we will overtake them as we have more potential, hopefully the club are putting the foundations for that in place now. I'm not bothered by the defeat today, I am bothered about the recent dropped points against Tranmere and Salford. Those were games we HAVE to win if we are to be considered playoff contenders, which we currently are not. This team has stabilised us, and relegation is not a concern now. We may have to accept that promotion is not going to happen this year. I agree with a lot of this but I question 'we have more potential' I dont know why you say that,I could see Rovers having the potential to be the next Bury or Stockport etc. Wrexham have been out of the league for a while,they should have the potential to do well but its how you do today that counts,Wycombe,FGR,Harrogate,Salford and Sutton are all above Rovers at present,Crawley and Stevenage not far behind,traditional opponents like Chesterfield,Wrexham,Stockport etc are non league. Some of the newer clubs if they are well run and financially sound could have more potential than older debt ridden clubs,FGR have a large catchment area,if more houses are built in those towns and villages and IF FGR were to get to the Championship they might get better crowds than Rovers do. As a guide to FGR becoming a " bigger" than us thing? As an example take a look down the A37, where YTFC, A Well known club with a " bit of history" went through to the Championship, but if I remember rightly never had a sell out in the Championship in their time there, IMO they would still have a better chance than FGR of creating a higher attendance on a regular basis, FGR have no seemingly real catchment area, would struggle to create a sustainable home crowd as BRFC ,the difference is obviously of a historical basis,where FGR are a " newby" and would need a long period in the upper division to create a larger regular fan base
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Post by Bath Gas on Nov 28, 2021 11:30:41 GMT
From my Gump friend.. Best chant from the FGR today, to the tune of Kumbaya.. 'she said no Joey, she said no...' I'm probably being incredibly dense, but I don't get the relevance of this with regards to anything which JB has done/has been accused of doing. Who said "no", and when?
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kingswood Polak
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Post by kingswood Polak on Nov 28, 2021 12:24:40 GMT
The UK honours system thinks that Hippy Boy is better than Wael, one has a OBE, the other doesn't. There aren't any exact figures, but anything between £100~300 million keeps coming up when you search for Vince's nett worth. What's Wael's personal nett worth please? Anyway, define 'better', Vince has picked up that village team and will have them in L1 before too long, despite having no support base, Wael was handed a club on the verge on a second straight promotion, with a stadium that holds double FGR's capacity, and has a huge support base, so far we've run up massive losses and got relegated. I would like to say that we hold the moral high ground as they employed Pipe, who I'm pretty sure never represented us again after his 'brush with the law', but Wael has put us in a position where we can't really stand in moral judgement on any other clubs right now What's wrong with that other forum, that's 2 people in 2 days that have come over from there complaining of bullying. Who's the other one out of interest? And why? Yeah, you cant have a view over there if you don't agree with a select few. In the last year I have been...as well as others, relentlessly called a bigot and a racist due to views on different subjects ( Non Rovers related) and not agreeing with some mods and a few posters over there. The other day I was banned over my opinion on the advert about father Christmas being gay! - No warning, just a banning by Hugo the Elder, and a few others deciding that they didn't agree with me so I was clearly a bigot and a racist so I was gone! lol Well done! Not sad at all.. as it proves what they are! First off I have 2 accounts there under very different names from years ago, so I will continute posting on that site if only in the Rovers section as that's all I require.. and that's my choice. I'm not a angry/livid white man as they have suggested...LOL But wanted grown up debate which they will not let happen unless you agree with them. The thing is that I posted 1600 posts over there, I guess 1400 were all Rovers related, and never once was did I have an argument about the gas with anyone. I was also on the old Official forum for many years, and the same was said there. Only trouble happened when talking in the general debate about politics over with those bullies.. Only viewed this site daily until now as its seems alot slower that the other one, but it seems alot more open for adult debate then over there. I remember you from the old, official forum, welcome my friend. You are right in speed of forum and new posts but you wont get mods or admin pushing their views upon you. Always enjoyed your content on the club forum
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2021 12:33:58 GMT
I agree with a lot of this but I question 'we have more potential' I dont know why you say that,I could see Rovers having the potential to be the next Bury or Stockport etc. Wrexham have been out of the league for a while,they should have the potential to do well but its how you do today that counts,Wycombe,FGR,Harrogate,Salford and Sutton are all above Rovers at present,Crawley and Stevenage not far behind,traditional opponents like Chesterfield,Wrexham,Stockport etc are non league. Some of the newer clubs if they are well run and financially sound could have more potential than older debt ridden clubs,FGR have a large catchment area,if more houses are built in those towns and villages and IF FGR were to get to the Championship they might get better crowds than Rovers do. As a guide to FGR becoming a " bigger" than us thing? As an example take a look down the A37, where YTFC, A Well known club with a " bit of history" went through to the Championship, but if I remember rightly never had a sell out in the Championship in their time there, IMO they would still have a better chance than FGR of creating a higher attendance on a regular basis, FGR have no seemingly real catchment area, would struggle to create a sustainable home crowd as BRFC ,the difference is obviously of a historical basis,where FGR are a " newby" and would need a long period in the upper division to create a larger regular fan base Wouldn't it be funny if FGR moved just a bit further south, maybe somewhere around Yate and whacked up a modern Shrewsbury type stadium with potential to expand. What would the casual supporter do? What choice would Bristol youngsters from north of the river make in a world where there's relentless media noise about climate change and 'green' issues?
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Post by kingswood Polak on Nov 28, 2021 12:37:10 GMT
As a guide to FGR becoming a " bigger" than us thing? As an example take a look down the A37, where YTFC, A Well known club with a " bit of history" went through to the Championship, but if I remember rightly never had a sell out in the Championship in their time there, IMO they would still have a better chance than FGR of creating a higher attendance on a regular basis, FGR have no seemingly real catchment area, would struggle to create a sustainable home crowd as BRFC ,the difference is obviously of a historical basis,where FGR are a " newby" and would need a long period in the upper division to create a larger regular fan base Wouldn't it be funny if FGR moved just a bit further south, maybe somewhere around Yate and whacked up a modern Shrewsbury type stadium with potential to expand. What would the casual supporter do? What choice would Bristol youngsters from north of the river make in a world where there's relentless media noise about climate change and 'green' issues? As a youngster of around 11, i used to go and watch city play when they were in the old first division. I would do the same if FGR managed the same, i think a fair few would like to see higher level football. I used to see a fair few of the older lot at AG too
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2021 13:08:11 GMT
Wouldn't it be funny if FGR moved just a bit further south, maybe somewhere around Yate and whacked up a modern Shrewsbury type stadium with potential to expand. What would the casual supporter do? What choice would Bristol youngsters from north of the river make in a world where there's relentless media noise about climate change and 'green' issues? As a youngster of around 11, i used to go and watch city play when they were in the old first division. I would do the same if FGR managed the same, i think a fair few would like to see higher level football. I used to see a fair few of the older lot at AG too That's the thing isn't it KP, Hippy Boy may well have gone a couple of years living in a tent without washing, but he's no idiot, you don't amass between £100~300m from nothing, by accident, he'll be looking at these things. The longer we spend messing around with tents and elevating a 2nd rate shop manager to CEO of the entire organisation, the easier we make his job.
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Post by trymer on Nov 28, 2021 13:18:18 GMT
I agree with a lot of this but I question 'we have more potential' I dont know why you say that,I could see Rovers having the potential to be the next Bury or Stockport etc. Wrexham have been out of the league for a while,they should have the potential to do well but its how you do today that counts,Wycombe,FGR,Harrogate,Salford and Sutton are all above Rovers at present,Crawley and Stevenage not far behind,traditional opponents like Chesterfield,Wrexham,Stockport etc are non league. Some of the newer clubs if they are well run and financially sound could have more potential than older debt ridden clubs,FGR have a large catchment area,if more houses are built in those towns and villages and IF FGR were to get to the Championship they might get better crowds than Rovers do. As a guide to FGR becoming a " bigger" than us thing? As an example take a look down the A37, where YTFC, A Well known club with a " bit of history" went through to the Championship, but if I remember rightly never had a sell out in the Championship in their time there, IMO they would still have a better chance than FGR of creating a higher attendance on a regular basis, FGR have no seemingly real catchment area, would struggle to create a sustainable home crowd as BRFC ,the difference is obviously of a historical basis,where FGR are a " newby" and would need a long period in the upper division to create a larger regular fan base I had a quick look and Yeovil averaged over 6000 in the 2nd tier with a high of over 9000... We have to remember that bigger clubs bring bigger followings,Rovers attendances at Eastville in the 2nd tier (70s) were very poor but when Sunderland,Sheff Utd, Forest came to gate was quite good,probably a lot of neutrals wanting to see the better teams too. No doubt that away support would boost a Championship FGR attendances too,plus people from around the area wanting to see football at that level,look at how much bigger the attendance at AG is when city are at that level. When talking about attendances look how far back we have to go to find the last season when Rovers averaged over 10,000.
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Post by trymer on Nov 28, 2021 13:20:10 GMT
As a guide to FGR becoming a " bigger" than us thing? As an example take a look down the A37, where YTFC, A Well known club with a " bit of history" went through to the Championship, but if I remember rightly never had a sell out in the Championship in their time there, IMO they would still have a better chance than FGR of creating a higher attendance on a regular basis, FGR have no seemingly real catchment area, would struggle to create a sustainable home crowd as BRFC ,the difference is obviously of a historical basis,where FGR are a " newby" and would need a long period in the upper division to create a larger regular fan base Wouldn't it be funny if FGR moved just a bit further south, maybe somewhere around Yate and whacked up a modern Shrewsbury type stadium with potential to expand. What would the casual supporter do? What choice would Bristol youngsters from north of the river make in a world where there's relentless media noise about climate change and 'green' issues? Old Sodbury would be easy from Nailsworth and very handy for Tormarton M4.
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Post by syg on Nov 28, 2021 13:54:02 GMT
Wouldn't it be funny if FGR moved just a bit further south, maybe somewhere around Yate and whacked up a modern Shrewsbury type stadium with potential to expand. What would the casual supporter do? What choice would Bristol youngsters from north of the river make in a world where there's relentless media noise about climate change and 'green' issues? Old Sodbury would be easy from Nailsworth and very handy for Tormarton M4. They aren't going to move 20 mins South and actually into another county and lose fans.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2021 13:58:05 GMT
Old Sodbury would be easy from Nailsworth and very handy for Tormarton M4. They aren't going to move 20 mins South and actually into another county and lose fans. If the county boundary is what defines these things they could move to Beachley Barracks, and still be in Gloucestershire.
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Post by trymer on Nov 28, 2021 14:30:53 GMT
Old Sodbury would be easy from Nailsworth and very handy for Tormarton M4. They aren't going to move 20 mins South and actually into another county and lose fans. Arsenal moved across the river and miles away from their original ground and they have done ok,Millwall moved across the river the other way. When Rovers were at Twerton I met people from Shepton Mallett and others from Wiltshire,they had started going because it was easy for them to get to Bath, mayebe FGR would lose a few supporters but gain a lot more by moving.
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Post by syg on Nov 28, 2021 15:08:26 GMT
They won't be moving to a rovers/city area.
I thought they had planning permission for a stadium near the stroud / Stonehouse M5 junction.
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Post by fatherjackhackett on Nov 28, 2021 15:25:07 GMT
They won't be moving to a rovers/city area. I thought they had planning permission for a stadium near the stroud / Stonehouse M5 junction. They have.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2021 15:33:09 GMT
They won't be moving to a rovers/city area. I thought they had planning permission for a stadium near the stroud / Stonehouse M5 junction. They have. Doesn't mean much until the thing's built though does it. We should know that better than anybody.
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Post by knowall on Nov 28, 2021 16:27:18 GMT
Wouldn't it be funny if FGR moved just a bit further south, maybe somewhere around Yate and whacked up a modern Shrewsbury type stadium with potential to expand. What would the casual supporter do? What choice would Bristol youngsters from north of the river make in a world where there's relentless media noise about climate change and 'green' issues? As a youngster of around 11, i used to go and watch city play when they were in the old first division. I would do the same if FGR managed the same, i think a fair few would like to see higher level football. I used to see a fair few of the older lot at AG too I am sure that they would in that scenario win over many disenchanted Rovers supporters. OUR CLUB has changed in many ways and is no longer the club that I supported as a boy, teenager, and man and much to my disappointment is currently where it belongs to be in the pyramid. Wael unfortunately has not been with the football club long enough to know what our Club has been but hopefully he will listen to the 'older' among us to learn how well the Club was thought of for so many years by all the football fraternity - someone tell him the 'Millen' story and he might understand where we are going wrong now. In fact, the Millen story and the moral to that should be written in the Boardroom and all around the ground. Bristol Rovers were an example to the whole football world back then.
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Post by towngas on Nov 28, 2021 19:50:25 GMT
As a youngster of around 11, i used to go and watch city play when they were in the old first division. I would do the same if FGR managed the same, i think a fair few would like to see higher level football. I used to see a fair few of the older lot at AG too I am sure that they would in that scenario win over many disenchanted Rovers supporters. OUR CLUB has changed in many ways and is no longer the club that I supported as a boy, teenager, and man and much to my disappointment is currently where it belongs to be in the pyramid. Wael unfortunately has not been with the football club long enough to know what our Club has been but hopefully he will listen to the 'older' among us to learn how well the Club was thought of for so many years by all the football fraternity - someone tell him the 'Millen' story and he might understand where we are going wrong now. In fact, the Millen story and the moral to that should be written in the Boardroom and all around the ground. Bristol Rovers were an example to the whole football world back then. I very much doubt if any Rovers fan would convert to FGR. They simply wouldn’t be true Gas anyway. I can tell you now, if Gas went under I wouldn’t follow any other club, and if a Phoenix club emerged I watch them on the Downs. I went to FGR yesterday. It wasn’t like going to a league ground or match, it reminded me of my away trips during the Conference season. They are truly a Southern League side. All the investment in the world from old Stale Mince, who turned up in his electric Porsche, won’t change that. I sat in the home stand because our allocation was sold out, and it was the weirdest experience ever. Freezing cold, no atmosphere, most of their fans seemed, well, rather special, and stuck up on the top of a cul de sac hill. We got there 2 hours early, and as they wouldn’t let us in the bar because we had 2 friends with Gas tickets we went in search of a pub. All closed, and wandering around that weird hill top village was how I imagine what it would be like in that place depicted in this England. We were crap yesterday, but were a proper EFL club from a big city with a passionate fan base. I could no more support FGR than fly.
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Post by The Concept on Nov 28, 2021 20:39:17 GMT
Before their excursions into the Football League, Yeovil were always known as a fairly large club for non-league status, certainly more so than either Cheltenham or Forest Green.
As Yeovil started their climb through the divisions, the thought was that they were starting to attract fans that previously may have travelled further north to support the likes of City.
We now have the situation where Cheltenham are a division above us, and even Forest Green are out-performing us. I can't see people switching allegiances from Rovers to either of those two, but what is does mean is that future generations who naturally would have more likely supported Rovers (people from areas such as Dursley, Wotton-Under-Edge, Slimbridge etc.) may choose CTFC or FGR instead.
As a for instance, someone I work with has a friend from Thornbury who is a regular at Forest Green.
Back in the Eastville days we even had a coach coming down from Gloucester.
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