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I will never understand the obsession with this, it’s on the same level as the teds, or so it would seem.  At least you are consistent though, unlike some who have jumped onto the bandwagon. I’m positive you know a couple of them, maybe and when you see them next, you could ask them face to face as i do know that the one i know would not like to have his name bandied about. 
Anyway, i wish you a very cool Yule and that the new year brings you and all others, everything that they would wish for. Me ? I would be delighted to be healthy as health is wealth , for me at least. 

I wonder if Wael sees anything, at times

There isn’t an obsession it’s is they can’t play with a straight bat and answer a definitively simple question. There should be no ambiguity to it. It’s not like asking how many BRFC supporters there are.

It’s a paid up membership club, so for example, if a 100 people subscribe, it has 100 different members. Easy right? Or at least you would think it is.

The other issue that arises from it is that the tone of the presidents club is what the pc club can do for you as opposed to what pc club can do for the FC by you joining.

I’d love to know how much money they have given to the FC in the last 12 months too so perhaps that could be a question to ask! I’m pretty sure what the answer is but it would be interesting to see what is said on that.

it's a two way thing regards your"punter" quip.... no club ......no supporters ...no supporters ...no club...... so unless you "the punter" ....which is what you [and those before you and those that [hopefully] follow after you] are in real terms 

I wont apologise for my cynical and skeptical views as Rovers are now far from a family club as i see it. None of us know what the future holds and i do wonder what and who would step in if the worst happened. Having seen the various owners mess up and sometimes horrifically, i cant help but wonder what the future holds. 
Regardless of everything else, we are under ownership and ergo whims of one person and that worries me as does how do we explain the people around the manager, who have no place on the payroll. 
I am pretty sure we will never have a stadium and be playing at a decent level in my lifetime. We may need groups like the SC and PC to step in. To be frank, the more i see, the more i question and if its transparency you wish for then surely that begins at the top. 

I'm finding this thread quite informative

It seems to me that the club is being led in a new and more professional direction, and that there are some vocal fans who have had their relationship with the club changed against their will. So they feel upset and disenfranchised. But things do change, and an ability to adapt and find a new role and relationship is required to thrive in life

Many seem to me to see their club like a church - a timeless constant in a sea of change. But even churches change, usually after tumult of the type we've seen within some BRFC institutions

Manure, Chelski, PSG etc have become global brands. Manure have become a huge source of dividends for the owning family. Man City have, I believe, helped regenerate a big chunk of their hood

82 have a posh stand and training centre. We've just got a less posh training centre - which is still a massive step forward

Maybe some babies have gone out with the bathwater, but the need for change and more professionalism seems clear to me

So apart from the Joeybag bit, which seems the definition of dilletante amateurism to me, I think like the direction of travel - it is more of a business, and less of a club, but I don't see any option if the team is to do well

The main thing about what you say is that when clubs do something like swap Maine Rd for The Etihad and start to operate like a real business, and in so doing disrupt the personal nature of the relationship that some people have with their club, is that there's a quid pro quo, and it's that you sacrifice that personal relationship for success.

Just surveying the landscape, 4th tier, Barton, huge losses, stadium disintegrating before our eyes. Hmmmm.

That’s entirely your prerogative Jools.

Football as an industry and business is long past being run by supporters clubs and the like. Our own SC and PC could probably run it for a week before their money would run out without making extreme cuts which would see us spiral to the 2013/14 levels of professional staffing levels, in other words, just about non league.

You say we are under the ergo whims of one person, but we always have been. Whilst there was a collective approach under Dunfords, essentially it was their money that acted as security to keep us afloat and from most of the bills were paid, same with Higgs and none of them have built in infrastructure like Wael has.

What you also seem to ignore is that around 1/3 of the debt that was capitalised through share dilution came from the previous ownership, so it wasn’t all Waels spend.

If Wael decides tomorrow he’s no longer bankrolling us, he loses all of his investment in Rovers and will likely only get the value of the assets to walk away. So it’s in his interest to get the training centre complete and operational and a stadium built for him to realise his investment back.

And yet here you are still questioning his commitment!

If there is anything you feel lacks transparency then get in touch with Helen or Steve from the SC and ask them to raise points at the next board meeting. You now have 2 approved reps in which anyone can start asking the questions and communicating doubts which you, Swiss and TWD seem to have.

But going back to the PC, what can they do for the football club going forward? How are they going to assist supporters connect with the club to promote the family feel which is a concern for those who think it’s being lost? What kind of additional revenue or value can they bring to assist the professional running of the football club?