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Post by Angas on Nov 18, 2021 10:36:55 GMT
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Post by bluetornados on Nov 18, 2021 11:30:38 GMT
Cannot mention Brian Clough enough IMO, a true legend on and off the pitch, his playing days effectively ending on Boxing day 1962.
Cloughie was a very prolific goal machine, in 302 games he scored 269 career goals for Middlesbrough, Sunderland and England.
His Managerial stats are P 1,453 W 675 D 368 L 410 = 46.5 for Hartlepools, Derby, Brighton, Leeds and Nottingham Forest.
Without a doubt the best English manager never to manage England.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2021 13:06:19 GMT
Sorry BT, you spelt Bob Paisley wrong.
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Post by bluetornados on Nov 18, 2021 17:16:31 GMT
Sorry BT, you spelt Bob Paisley wrong. Yes, Cannot argue with your great choice, what i was thinking was the personality side of Clough's style and the reluctance of at the time our best manager of all time Bob. Following victory in the 1974 FA Cup Final, Shankly unexpectedly announced his retirement; the Liverpool directors appointed Paisley as his replacement in the hope of maintaining continuity. Though initially reluctant to take on the role, Paisley became a huge success and, apart from his first season, won at least one major trophy in each of his nine years as manager. "With characteristic modesty, Paisley was reluctant to assume the reins and urged Shankly – an almost Messiah-like figure on Merseyside and a seemingly impossible act to follow – to change his mind and carry on. But though he regretted it later, Shankly was not for turning and Paisley announced, humbly, that he would do his best. Nine years later, he retired as the most successful boss in English football history, having led the Reds to six League Championships, three European Cups, one UEFA Cup and three League Cups." Bob Paisley - 21 trophies - Liverpool Manager - P 535, W 308, D 131, L 96 = 57.57 Brian Clough - 17 trophies - Manager at 5 clubs - P 1,453 W 675 D 368 L 410 = 46.5 Two of English football's greatest managers with very different styles, for the England job Clough get's the nod for me IMO.
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Post by alftupper on Nov 20, 2021 7:58:06 GMT
Cannot mention Brian Clough enough IMO, a true legend on and off the pitch, his playing days effectively ending on Boxing day 1962. Cloughie was a very prolific goal machine, in 302 games he scored 269 career goals for Middlesbrough, Sunderland and England. His Managerial stats are P 1,453 W 675 D 368 L 410 = 46.5 for Hartlepools, Derby, Brighton, Leeds and Nottingham Forest. Without a doubt the best English manager never to manage England. How about Herbert Chapman?
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Post by bluetornados on Nov 20, 2021 11:58:26 GMT
Cannot mention Brian Clough enough IMO, a true legend on and off the pitch, his playing days effectively ending on Boxing day 1962. Cloughie was a very prolific goal machine, in 302 games he scored 269 career goals for Middlesbrough, Sunderland and England. His Managerial stats are P 1,453 W 675 D 368 L 410 = 46.5 for Hartlepools, Derby, Brighton, Leeds and Nottingham Forest. Without a doubt the best English manager never to manage England. How about Herbert Chapman? Good shout, England only started employing managers from 1946, as Walter Winterbottom was the 1st incumbent in the role, which he held until 1962, i think he was only a figurehead as opposed to being a real manager, he did what he was told and did not rock the boat, unlike Herbert or Brian Clough who would have upended it no doubt. Poor Herbert Chapman, what a tragedy that was, a great managerial career cut short... Chapman celebrated New Year in London before travelling north on a scouting trip to see Bury play Notts County on 1 January 1934. The following day, he travelled to his native Yorkshire to watch Sheffield Wednesday, Arsenal's next opponents, before spending a final night in his home town of Kiveton Park. He returned to London nursing a cold but was well enough to watch an Arsenal third team match against Guildford City. Soon afterwards, his illness suddenly worsened; pneumonia set in, and Chapman quickly succumbed. He died in the early hours of 6 January 1934 at his home in Hendon aged 55. He was buried four days later in St Mary's Churchyard, Hendon. His Arsenal record was P 411, W 204, D 97, L 110 = 49.64 Win % - 1st Div x 2, FA Cup x 1, Charity Shield x 3 + 4 other trophies with Huddersfield & Northampton.
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