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Post by alftupper on Nov 19, 2021 10:16:13 GMT
Yes it does. Copious people have apologised for past offenses this week and people, including Rafiq have moved on. The people that I think will lose their jobs have been unapologetic and have demonstrated racism over a number of years whilst holding leadership roles. I am not going to pretend that I am not disappointed by Rafiq's abhorrent messages but a one off mistake made by a 19 year old doesn't lesson the impact of a decade of systemic and sustained racism. Having been through what he's been through, I am sure Rafiq is well aware that his words will have been incredibly hurtful to the Jewish community. If we step back from individuals for a minute, doesn't this demonstrate cricket has an even bigger problem? The resolve of administrators to stamp racism out of the game must be hardened by this. Or he's been caught out for being disingenuous and insincere. In his statements he has mentioned stuff that was allegedly going on a decade ago, yet at the same time he has been found out to have been doing the exact same thing. No different to a bully complaining about being bullied. Gary Ballance wrote that "unacceptable" things were said in all directions. Guess we`re finding out what he meant. Doubt if we`ve heard the last of any of it. |
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Post by lostinspace on Nov 19, 2021 11:01:03 GMT
As the water is becoming more muddy then Alex Hales " regrets" his decision to colour himself up at a party, there will undoubtedly be more, trivial ,maybe at the time of, but when the journo gets to digging there is no other choice than for those when have "erred" than to reveal their misdemeanors
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Post by jackthegas on Nov 19, 2021 14:44:28 GMT
Or he's been caught out for being disingenuous and insincere. In his statements he has mentioned stuff that was allegedly going on a decade ago, yet at the same time he has been found out to have been doing the exact same thing. No different to a bully complaining about being bullied. Gary Ballance wrote that "unacceptable" things were said in all directions. Guess we`re finding out what he meant. Doubt if we`ve heard the last of any of it. Rafiq is not perfect. But he has apologised for a mistake he made at the age of 19. Gary Ballance didn't apologise for his many transgressions. In fact, the night before Ballance was named by the mail, Azeem was contacting journalists asking them to ensure Ballance had the necessary support. To me, that is an indication that one person made a mistake that he has learnt from and the other is showing no contrition. Matthew Hoggard said some horrendous stuff. When he learned that it'd had an impact on Azeem he called him and apologised. This predated the enquiry. Azeem accepted this and Hoggard was praised in last weeks enquiry. I find it astonishing that anyone's takeaway from this last week is that Azeem's evidence is null and void because he said something racist as a 19 year old. What about the myriad of evidence other ex players have given in the last few weeks? This is not an isolated incident. The fact that Azeem also said something bad doesn't mean we can forget the whole thing. I'm sure I'm not going to change anyone's mind on this so I will withdraw from the debate but I implore anyone who feels that Rafiq's stupid comment renders his views meaningless to watch the testimony he gave to the select committee. |
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Post by warehamgas on Nov 19, 2021 15:59:14 GMT
Yes it does. Copious people have apologised for past offenses this week and people, including Rafiq have moved on. The people that I think will lose their jobs have been unapologetic and have demonstrated racism over a number of years whilst holding leadership roles. I am not going to pretend that I am not disappointed by Rafiq's abhorrent messages but a one off mistake made by a 19 year old doesn't lesson the impact of a decade of systemic and sustained racism. Having been through what he's been through, I am sure Rafiq is well aware that his words will have been incredibly hurtful to the Jewish community. If we step back from individuals for a minute, doesn't this demonstrate cricket has an even bigger problem? The resolve of administrators to stamp racism out of the game must be hardened by this. Or he's been caught out for being disingenuous and insincere. In his statements he has mentioned stuff that was allegedly going on a decade ago, yet at the same time he has been found out to have been doing the exact same thing. No different to a bully complaining about being bullied. I think it’s very, very different. Of course Rafiq posted something wrong and something which would upset many people. He did it as a 19 year old though that probably isn’t a plausible excuse except perhaps 19 years olds now will probably be more aware of the dangers of whatever social media he used then. Back then it was all in its infancy and it’s dangers not so well known. It also probably took him about a minute to compose and post. I’m guessing there because I haven’t seen what he posted and I’m not on social media. But it likely took very little time to do that and being 19 he probably wouldn’t have thought too much about what he was doing. Immediately this was known he apologised to the Jewish community and his apology was accepted by the board who represents Jews. He did something wrong, he apologised when it came to light and his apology was accepted. Harm, but probably not too much, was limited by his immediate apology. I am in no way excusing him or trying to defend him. What he did was wrong. But, returning to the main issue of racism at Yorkshire CCC and in the wider cricket community it doesn’t compare. Indeed, too much concentration on this will be a deflection away from the main issue. Yorkshire CCC are guilty of ... Trying to cover up the rampant racism that has been festering in their club for many, many years. The previous chairman, when forced to answer, accepted that there was institutional racism at Yorkshire over a long number of years. ... Some executive officers in a leadership role tried to cancel the whole investigation when it was looking to uncover unpleasant truths. Nothing was done about this until the whole story started to unravel. ... It looks likely until Rafiq whistle blew this could have continued for many, many years unchallenged. ... Some of the most racist people whose names were redacted on the first draft to emerge are still in post and presumably drawing a very nice salary. (As they are contractually due, I am sure). I’m sure this will soon stop but it hasn’t to date. ... We have learnt about aspects of culture at Yorkshire in their academy and the breath-taking arrogance of players who may well continue to take the field next season and act as if they were engaging in “banter”. All quite, quite different from a short, minute long (?) post of a 19 year old. That list is just off the top of my head, given time I could double it. Yorkshire are the tip of the iceberg I’m sure and I expect other counties to be eating humble pie over this winter. I welcome Somerset’s statement on their website as a first step towards ensuring their house is in order. I look forward to seeing something from Hampshire CCC about this ex-Yorkshire and England player who made life miserable for Rafiq. He hasn’t been named but I suspect I know who it is. He is obviously keeping a low profile... and obviously no apology there. So, in short, I agree with jack. It’s not about any individual, it’s about stamping out racism in cricket. But to compare what Rafiq did and what Yorkshire CCC did over a number of years, knowingly, is just plain wrong. Racism has to be called out for what it is. Wrong. |
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Post by Gastafari on Nov 19, 2021 16:32:01 GMT
Or he's been caught out for being disingenuous and insincere. In his statements he has mentioned stuff that was allegedly going on a decade ago, yet at the same time he has been found out to have been doing the exact same thing. No different to a bully complaining about being bullied. I think it’s very, very different. Of course Rafiq posted something wrong and something which would upset many people. He did it as a 19 year old though that probably isn’t a plausible excuse except perhaps 19 years olds now will probably be more aware of the dangers of whatever social media he used then. Back then it was all in its infancy and it’s dangers not so well known. It also probably took him about a minute to compose and post. I’m guessing there because I haven’t seen what he posted and I’m not on social media. But it likely took very little time to do that and being 19 he probably wouldn’t have thought too much about what he was doing. Immediately this was known he apologised to the Jewish community and his apology was accepted by the board who represents Jews. He did something wrong, he apologised when it came to light and his apology was accepted. Harm, but probably not too much, was limited by his immediate apology. I am in no way excusing him or trying to defend him. What he did was wrong. But, returning to the main issue of racism at Yorkshire CCC and in the wider cricket community it doesn’t compare. Indeed, too much concentration on this will be a deflection away from the main issue. Yorkshire CCC are guilty of ... Trying to cover up the rampant racism that has been festering in their club for many, many years. The previous chairman, when forced to answer, accepted that there was institutional racism at Yorkshire over a long number of years. ... Some executive officers in a leadership role tried to cancel the whole investigation when it was looking to uncover unpleasant truths. Nothing was done about this until the whole story started to unravel. ... It looks likely until Rafiq whistle blew this could have continued for many, many years unchallenged. ... Some of the most racist people whose names were redacted on the first draft to emerge are still in post and presumably drawing a very nice salary. (As they are contractually due, I am sure). I’m sure this will soon stop but it hasn’t to date. ... We have learnt about aspects of culture at Yorkshire in their academy and the breath-taking arrogance of players who may well continue to take the field next season and act as if they were engaging in “banter”. All quite, quite different from a short, minute long (?) post of a 19 year old. That list is just off the top of my head, given time I could double it. Yorkshire are the tip of the iceberg I’m sure and I expect other counties to be eating humble pie over this winter. I welcome Somerset’s statement on their website as a first step towards ensuring their house is in order. I look forward to seeing something from Hampshire CCC about this ex-Yorkshire and England player who made life miserable for Rafiq. He hasn’t been named but I suspect I know who it is. He is obviously keeping a low profile... and obviously no apology there. So, in short, I agree with jack. It’s not about any individual, it’s about stamping out racism in cricket. But to compare what Rafiq did and what Yorkshire CCC did over a number of years, knowingly, is just plain wrong. Racism has to be called out for what it is. Wrong. I don't disagree with the majority of what you've said. From what i've read, it seems that it was going on at YCCC from everybody, whether they be White, Black or of Southern Asian descent like Rafiq. The aim of stamping racism out of Cricket, should be applauded, but by the same token, if you're going to try and 'Whistleblow' and take up the role of victim, then it'd be best if you didn't have a history of it yourself. |
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Post by warehamgas on Nov 19, 2021 17:17:44 GMT
I think it’s very, very different. Of course Rafiq posted something wrong and something which would upset many people. He did it as a 19 year old though that probably isn’t a plausible excuse except perhaps 19 years olds now will probably be more aware of the dangers of whatever social media he used then. Back then it was all in its infancy and it’s dangers not so well known. It also probably took him about a minute to compose and post. I’m guessing there because I haven’t seen what he posted and I’m not on social media. But it likely took very little time to do that and being 19 he probably wouldn’t have thought too much about what he was doing. Immediately this was known he apologised to the Jewish community and his apology was accepted by the board who represents Jews. He did something wrong, he apologised when it came to light and his apology was accepted. Harm, but probably not too much, was limited by his immediate apology. I am in no way excusing him or trying to defend him. What he did was wrong. But, returning to the main issue of racism at Yorkshire CCC and in the wider cricket community it doesn’t compare. Indeed, too much concentration on this will be a deflection away from the main issue. Yorkshire CCC are guilty of ... Trying to cover up the rampant racism that has been festering in their club for many, many years. The previous chairman, when forced to answer, accepted that there was institutional racism at Yorkshire over a long number of years. ... Some executive officers in a leadership role tried to cancel the whole investigation when it was looking to uncover unpleasant truths. Nothing was done about this until the whole story started to unravel. ... It looks likely until Rafiq whistle blew this could have continued for many, many years unchallenged. ... Some of the most racist people whose names were redacted on the first draft to emerge are still in post and presumably drawing a very nice salary. (As they are contractually due, I am sure). I’m sure this will soon stop but it hasn’t to date. ... We have learnt about aspects of culture at Yorkshire in their academy and the breath-taking arrogance of players who may well continue to take the field next season and act as if they were engaging in “banter”. All quite, quite different from a short, minute long (?) post of a 19 year old. That list is just off the top of my head, given time I could double it. Yorkshire are the tip of the iceberg I’m sure and I expect other counties to be eating humble pie over this winter. I welcome Somerset’s statement on their website as a first step towards ensuring their house is in order. I look forward to seeing something from Hampshire CCC about this ex-Yorkshire and England player who made life miserable for Rafiq. He hasn’t been named but I suspect I know who it is. He is obviously keeping a low profile... and obviously no apology there. So, in short, I agree with jack. It’s not about any individual, it’s about stamping out racism in cricket. But to compare what Rafiq did and what Yorkshire CCC did over a number of years, knowingly, is just plain wrong. Racism has to be called out for what it is. Wrong. I don't disagree with the majority of what you've said. From what i've read, it seems that it was going on at YCCC from everybody, whether they be White, Black or of Southern Asian descent like Rafiq. The aim of stamping racism out of Cricket, should be applauded, but by the same token, if you're going to try and 'Whistleblow' and take up the role of victim, then it'd be best if you didn't have a history of it yourself. Thank you. Of course you are right in your last paragraph, “it’d rather best if you...” it would have been, but having done something ‘wrong’ doesn’t mean you can’t try and do good, does it? But do you think he would have even remembered a post he did 10 years ago? I’m really not excusing him, it was wrong. But with that mistake if doesn’t exempt him from whistleblowing what he was faced with over a prolonged period of time. Nor does it give others an excuse to do what they did. And as I said I think the two should not be compared because the effects of both are so, so different. But I get the point you were making. |
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Post by jackthegas on Nov 19, 2021 17:58:10 GMT
I think it’s very, very different. Of course Rafiq posted something wrong and something which would upset many people. He did it as a 19 year old though that probably isn’t a plausible excuse except perhaps 19 years olds now will probably be more aware of the dangers of whatever social media he used then. Back then it was all in its infancy and it’s dangers not so well known. It also probably took him about a minute to compose and post. I’m guessing there because I haven’t seen what he posted and I’m not on social media. But it likely took very little time to do that and being 19 he probably wouldn’t have thought too much about what he was doing. Immediately this was known he apologised to the Jewish community and his apology was accepted by the board who represents Jews. He did something wrong, he apologised when it came to light and his apology was accepted. Harm, but probably not too much, was limited by his immediate apology. I am in no way excusing him or trying to defend him. What he did was wrong. But, returning to the main issue of racism at Yorkshire CCC and in the wider cricket community it doesn’t compare. Indeed, too much concentration on this will be a deflection away from the main issue. Yorkshire CCC are guilty of ... Trying to cover up the rampant racism that has been festering in their club for many, many years. The previous chairman, when forced to answer, accepted that there was institutional racism at Yorkshire over a long number of years. ... Some executive officers in a leadership role tried to cancel the whole investigation when it was looking to uncover unpleasant truths. Nothing was done about this until the whole story started to unravel. ... It looks likely until Rafiq whistle blew this could have continued for many, many years unchallenged. ... Some of the most racist people whose names were redacted on the first draft to emerge are still in post and presumably drawing a very nice salary. (As they are contractually due, I am sure). I’m sure this will soon stop but it hasn’t to date. ... We have learnt about aspects of culture at Yorkshire in their academy and the breath-taking arrogance of players who may well continue to take the field next season and act as if they were engaging in “banter”. All quite, quite different from a short, minute long (?) post of a 19 year old. That list is just off the top of my head, given time I could double it. Yorkshire are the tip of the iceberg I’m sure and I expect other counties to be eating humble pie over this winter. I welcome Somerset’s statement on their website as a first step towards ensuring their house is in order. I look forward to seeing something from Hampshire CCC about this ex-Yorkshire and England player who made life miserable for Rafiq. He hasn’t been named but I suspect I know who it is. He is obviously keeping a low profile... and obviously no apology there. So, in short, I agree with jack. It’s not about any individual, it’s about stamping out racism in cricket. But to compare what Rafiq did and what Yorkshire CCC did over a number of years, knowingly, is just plain wrong. Racism has to be called out for what it is. Wrong. I don't disagree with the majority of what you've said. From what i've read, it seems that it was going on at YCCC from everybody, whether they be White, Black or of Southern Asian descent like Rafiq. The aim of stamping racism out of Cricket, should be applauded, but by the same token, if you're going to try and 'Whistleblow' and take up the role of victim, then it'd be best if you didn't have a history of it yourself. Turns out I can't let this slide. I really can't agree with your assessment. I am not aware of any racist comments made by a black Yorkshire player. One racist comment has been made more than a decade ago by an Asian. The rest of the smears made against Rafiq are exactly that and frankly the non apology made by Ballance is reason enough for him to lose his job. On the other hand, maybe a hundred allegations have been made against white players and administrators, many of them corroborate or admitted to by the perpetrator. Asian and black participation in county cricket and in the national team is woeful and basically brushing it off on the basis they are equally culpable is unfair and unhelpful. |
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Post by alftupper on Nov 20, 2021 7:51:00 GMT
Gary Ballance wrote that "unacceptable" things were said in all directions. Guess we`re finding out what he meant. Doubt if we`ve heard the last of any of it. Rafiq is not perfect. But he has apologised for a mistake he made at the age of 19. Gary Ballance didn't apologise for his many transgressions. In fact, the night before Ballance was named by the mail, Azeem was contacting journalists asking them to ensure Ballance had the necessary support. To me, that is an indication that one person made a mistake that he has learnt from and the other is showing no contrition. The things that Ballance said were clearly unacceptable, but to say that he shows no contrition seems unfair. This from the BBC website.
"It has been reported that I used a racial slur and, as I told the independent enquiry, I accept that I did so and I regret doing so," said Ballance, 31.
"To be clear - I deeply regret some of the language I used in my younger years."
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Post by lostinspace on Nov 24, 2021 13:11:14 GMT
Note that the BBC have dropped Michael Vaughan from their upcoming Ashes coverage ,on the basis of alleged racial comments during his time at YCC , comments which he denies uttering...
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Post by alftupper on Nov 24, 2021 14:16:06 GMT
Note that the BBC have dropped Michael Vaughan from their upcoming Ashes coverage ,on the basis of alleged racial comments during his time at YCC , comments which he denies uttering... In cases like this, normal rules seem to have been stood on their heads.
It`s no longer incumbent on someone to prove that remarks have been made, it`s up to the accused to prove that he/she didn`t make them. Something which is nigh on impossible. Bye Bye, Vaughny.
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Post by lostinspace on Nov 24, 2021 15:36:51 GMT
Note that the BBC have dropped Michael Vaughan from their upcoming Ashes coverage ,on the basis of alleged racial comments during his time at YCC , comments which he denies uttering... In cases like this, normal rules seem to have been stood on their heads.
It`s no longer incumbent on someone to prove that remarks have been made, it`s up to the accused to prove that he/she didn`t make them. Something which is nigh on impossible. Bye Bye, Vaughny.
It sort of distorts the rule of law to an extent... But not being a great fan of his I won't miss him Too Yorkshire bias even in the TMS broadcast |
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Post by lostinspace on Dec 3, 2021 13:33:41 GMT
YCC HAVE announced that 16 members of the coaching staff have left their positions as a result of the racism allegations,including Gale and Moxon
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Post by warehamgas on Dec 3, 2021 22:14:53 GMT
YCC HAVE announced that 16 members of the coaching staff have left their positions as a result of the racism allegations,including Gale and Moxon The BBC say it is the complete coaching staff that have left. No messing about there. If that’s the case I will be surprised if Ballance is still there next season. |
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Post by bluetornados on Dec 4, 2021 18:51:09 GMT
YCC HAVE announced that 16 members of the coaching staff have left their positions as a result of the racism allegations,including Gale and Moxon The BBC say it is the complete coaching staff that have left. No messing about there. If that’s the case I will be surprised if Ballance is still there next season. It also makes you wonder if it is rife throughout all of the counties, is this just the start of it, the tip of the the iceberg. |
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Post by warehamgas on Dec 4, 2021 20:23:55 GMT
The BBC say it is the complete coaching staff that have left. No messing about there. If that’s the case I will be surprised if Ballance is still there next season. It also makes you wonder if it is rife throughout all of the counties, is this just the start of it, the tip of the the iceberg. Yes. I don’t know if it is rife throughout all of the counties but it look like it’s common through some of them. Yorkshire obviously, Essex have had some allegations and the Chairman has gone. Northamptonshire have been affected as has Somerset though it is an ex-Yorkshire player and what he did there that Somerset have had to react to. I’m waiting for Hampshire to react to the player mentioned in the review. I suspect who he is but no apology from him as yet. The fact that Yorkshire have effectively sacked all their coaching staff and all their medical staff is shocking. It must have been completely institutional. You are right, this is only the beginning. Counties which are pro-active now in setting up reviews will be in charge of the process and will be seen to dealing with the problem. Those that say they do not have a problem will still need to be open and transparent about ensuring there is a clear reporting system for all players to use if they need to. I’ve said it so many times but if Yorkshire had had their review and reported openly and honestly and given appropriate punishments to those found to be at fault and then putting training into place the issue would have been much less of a problem. But by trying to cover it up and then not be open about the report and redacting so much of it just made a complete disaster out of their situation. It’s always the cover up that gets you. |
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Post by bluetornados on Dec 6, 2021 12:17:27 GMT
Former England fast bowler Darren Gough has been appointed as Yorkshire's interim managing director of cricket until the end of the 2022 season.
Gough, 51, replaces Martyn Moxon, who was one of 16 people to leave the club last week amid the racism scandal.
A report found former player Azeem Rafiq was a victim of "racial harassment and bullying" at Yorkshire.
Gough, who spent 15 years at Yorkshire over two spells, said he wants to "play my part in rebuilding" the club.
"Like many, I have followed how the club handled the recent racism allegations with sadness and anger," he added.
"I want to play my part in rebuilding cricket in Yorkshire and I am looking forward to working with the exceptionally talented group of players here.
"I am also aware of my wider responsibility to listen to everyone and ensure that every person who is associated with this club feels welcome, instilling values we want associated with the White Rose: honesty, straight talking, hard work, integrity and excellence."
Gough will start his role immediately and has stepped down from his job as a presenter on radio station Talksport, which he has held since retiring in 2008.
He made his debut for Yorkshire in 1989 and was part of the squad who won the 2001 County Championship, which was the club's first victory in 33 years.
He left to join Essex as skipper in 2004 before returning to Yorkshire as captain in 2007.
Gough made his Test debut for England in 1994, going on to take 229 wickets at an average of 28.39 in 58 matches.
He played 159 one-day internationals, taking 235 wickets - the second-most for England after James Anderson (269) - at an average of 26.42.
In 2019, Gough was appointed as England's fast bowling consultant for the build-up to the two-Test series against New Zealand.
"We are delighted to welcome Darren back to the club, and are very happy that he has taken the job," said Yorkshire chairman Lord Patel.
"As a former captain of the club, Darren's impact on the Yorkshire and England teams was considerable as a player. His infectious enthusiasm and will to win will be so important as we aim to be the best on and off the pitch.
"As we start on this journey with Darren, we want to engage everyone at the club and involve as many people as possible in shaping our direction. We have a considerable job ahead of us, but we are ready to embrace the opportunity together and build a brighter future for Yorkshire."
Lord Patel became Yorkshire's chairman after Roger Hutton resigned in November during widespread criticism of how the club handled the Rafiq case.
Rafiq, who played for Yorkshire in two spells between 2008 and 2018, told a Digital, Culture, Media and Sport select committee that racist language was "constantly" used during his time at the club and described English cricket as "institutionally racist".
Rafiq detailed his experiences at Yorkshire, which left him close to taking his own life, for the first time in September 2020. After the findings of the report were released a year later, Yorkshire originally said no-one at the club would be disciplined.
Yorkshire announced Moxon, head coach Andrew Gale and all members of the coaching staff had left the club on Friday.
Gale told BBC Sport he will begin a legal fight against the club's decision to sack him.
"I share Lord Patel's vision for Yorkshire and the collective determination to face the issues head on with a series of positive actions," added Gough.
"Change will not happen overnight, but I am certain that we can make Headingley roar again".
When asked about Gough taking over before the appointment was confirmed, England Test captain and Yorkshire batter Joe Root said: "He's a good man and I'm sure he'll be looking to put his stamp on the job.
"From my experiences spending time with Goughie, he's obviously very passionate and knowledgeable about the game, his love for it is clear for everyone to see and for the club as well."
Root said he "absolutely" would take a call from Gough if he were to contact him for assistance.
"I want to do everything I can to help move the club forward and welcome any of those phone calls," added Root.
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Post by bluetornados on Jan 12, 2022 23:01:39 GMT
Yorkshire chairman Lord Patel says he is "very confident" the club's ban from hosting England games will be lifted by this summer and warns it will be a "huge financial crisis" if it is not.
Headingley lost its international status in November over the club's handling of racism allegations made by former player Azeem Rafiq.
Rafiq has said the ban should be lifted for the progress made under Lord Patel.
"Regaining international status is absolutely crucial," said Lord Patel.
"Everything rests on it in terms of our future."
Lord Patel took over as chairman in November after Roger Hutton resigned amid widespread criticism of Yorkshire's handling of Rafiq's case.
Rafiq told a Digital, Culture, Media and Sport (DCMS) select committee that racist language was "constantly" used during his time at Yorkshire and English cricket was "institutionally racist".
Speaking to BBC sports editor Dan Roan, Lord Patel said his main focus, besides dealing with issues raised by Rafiq, was "making sure international matches are returned here as soon as possible".
The England and Wales Cricket Board (ECB) has asked Yorkshire to meet certain conditions by early spring.
"Myself and a number of people here are working 24/7 to meet the criteria we've been set and I'm very confident we will meet it and I hope way beyond that as well," said Lord Patel.
"It was right for the ECB to sanction us and we need to prove to everybody that we're delivering, we're changing and we will get there."
Headingley was due to host England's third Test against New Zealand on 23 June and their third one-day international against South Africa on 24 July.
Lord Patel said there was "no other option" than to be "more than hopeful" and be "very confident" that Headingley would regain the right to host those games.
He said if they failed to overturn the suspension, "hundreds of thousands of people who love cricket" would be "deprived" of the chance to watch England.
He added: "There is no question it would be a huge financial crisis."
An ECB investigation into allegations made by Rafiq and others, and Yorkshire's handling of the case, is ongoing.
However, a decision on this summer's major matches will be made before the investigation is concluded in order to aid logistics and give clarity to ticket-holders.
Lord Patel said he was "heartened" to see Rafiq call for the ban to be lifted and that the former player was "very clear" about the changes he wanted to see.
Former Yorkshire and England pace bowler Darren Gough has been appointed director of cricket until the end of the 2022 season, while former England bowlers Ryan Sidebottom and Steve Harmison have joined the coaching staff on an interim basis.
Lord Patel said it was "very difficult on a human level" to have such a big overhaul of staff but that he "fundamentally believes it was the right decision".
"We needed to move forward and create a culture that was open, that was transparent, that people could come forward and feel comfortable in," he said.
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Post by Nobbygas on Jan 13, 2022 9:52:23 GMT
Hasn't Rafiq already had a pop at Ryan Sidebottom?
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Post by warehamgas on Jan 13, 2022 18:53:08 GMT
If YCCC do meet whatever conditions by the Spring as reported I’m unsure what punishments they have had imposed on them for this. If they meet whatever these conditions are then they have, in practice, avoided any punishment apart from the reputational damage. Is that correct?
I get the idea that some individuals have been punished through losing their jobs but if YCCC avoid this punishment then they will have avoided any.
I wonder what Durham CCC will feel about that considering how they lost their right to have England international matches back in 2015 (? Without checking) and were relegated to Division 2. Obviously the ECB feel institutional racism isn’t as bad as financial mismanagement. And it was only mismanagement, no question of any illegal activity with regards to Durham.
Whilst I feel sympathy for the ECB over this issue, and they are between a rock and a hard place, but Yorkshire have to have some form of punishment for their acceptance, over a number of years, of institutional racism. Clearly they don’t want to see any club have financial problems but neither can they just do nothing. (Actually then can do nothing, it’s a fairly common work practice at the ECB. Just look at the Ashes!! ☹️)
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Post by lostinspace on Feb 11, 2022 20:32:30 GMT
Following the YCC internal reboot, they have been reinstated on this year's eligibility to stage England cricket matches... Subject to conforming to certain criteria...All well and good but sort of sends a message that unless you are " outed" in this scenario then nothing changes, England cricket have IMO let them get away with their racist culture of old Scott free, should have been at least a season of non allowance of International cricket as a warning to others to make sure this type of behavior is ripped out of any sport let alone Cricket,.lucky club🤬
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