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Post by alftupper on Nov 2, 2021 17:11:29 GMT
First Englishman to make a hundred in a test match, a World Cup 50 overs match, and a World Cup T20. Amazing when you think that we`ve had the likes of WG Grace, Wally Hammond, and Jack Hobbs, and none of them managed it.
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Post by bluetornados on Nov 2, 2021 22:38:32 GMT
First Englishman to make a hundred in a test match, a World Cup 50 overs match, and a World Cup T20. Amazing when you think that we`ve had the likes of WG Grace, Wally Hammond, and Jack Hobbs, and none of them managed it.
Hey, i don't mean to take the mick, but you are joking / having a wind up laugh with your comment, yes..?..just checking.
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Post by alftupper on Nov 3, 2021 7:57:54 GMT
First Englishman to make a hundred in a test match, a World Cup 50 overs match, and a World Cup T20. Amazing when you think that we`ve had the likes of WG Grace, Wally Hammond, and Jack Hobbs, and none of them managed it.
Hey, i don't mean to take the mick, but you are joking / having a wind up laugh with your comment, yes..?..just checking. Don`t quite see where you`re coming from here. Fielding standards have improved immeasurably as the years have gone by, which makes it all the more surprising that it`s taken 150 years for someone to do what Buttler`s done.
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Post by bluetornados on Nov 3, 2021 10:57:58 GMT
Hey, i don't mean to take the mick, but you are joking / having a wind up laugh with your comment, yes..?..just checking. Don`t quite see where you`re coming from here. Fielding standards have improved immeasurably as the years have gone by, which makes it all the more surprising that it`s taken 150 years for someone to do what Buttler`s done. I have copied and pasted my previous question to you, you are still on a wind up mission wanting a rise from your comment, yes..? Hey, i don't mean to take the mick, but you are joking / having a wind up laugh with your comment, yes..?..just checking.
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Post by Nobbygas on Nov 3, 2021 11:48:27 GMT
Hey, i don't mean to take the mick, but you are joking / having a wind up laugh with your comment, yes..?..just checking. Don`t quite see where you`re coming from here. Fielding standards have improved immeasurably as the years have gone by, which makes it all the more surprising that it`s taken 150 years for someone to do what Buttler`s done. Alf, you may not be aware of this little known fact, but in the old days cricket pitches/fields were twice the size of the modern ones, thereby making it more difficult to hit 4's and 6's. This probably accounts for those old players missing out on T20 hundreds. I have read one account of WG Grace hitting one ball and then running an EIGHT with his partner. Before the next bowl was bowled he demanded to have a fag break to recover.
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Post by warehamgas on Nov 3, 2021 11:51:31 GMT
He really is in a rich vein of form. What I find remarkable about it is his ability to react so quickly to each ball that is bowled and the power he gets from his right arm, his lower arm when batting. Commentators often remark about how being a very decent hockey player helped his ability to do that. Whatever, he is a remarkable player and is equally a very nice (I know, old fashioned word) person who is very sensible. He really does have the ability to remain grounded when all around are lavishing praise on him. Great advert for cricket, Somerset where he learnt the game, Lancashire where’s he’s played the odd game and England where he has developed into one of the best one day players in the world. Long way to go yet but I’m sure teams are thinking about how to stop him if they can.
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Post by warehamgas on Nov 3, 2021 11:55:12 GMT
Don`t quite see where you`re coming from here. Fielding standards have improved immeasurably as the years have gone by, which makes it all the more surprising that it`s taken 150 years for someone to do what Buttler`s done. Alf, you may not be aware of this little known fact, but in the old days cricket pitches/fields were twice the size of the modern ones, thereby making it more difficult to hit 4's and 6's. This probably accounts for those old players missing out on T20 hundreds. I have read one account of WG Grace hitting one ball and then running an EIGHT with his partner. Before the next bowl was bowled he demanded to have a fag break to recover. ...added to the fact that one day First Class cricket only started in the 1960s and First Class 20 over stuff in the 2000s. I don’t need to speak for bluetornados but I presume that’s what he means. But I guess alf is correct that it’s surprising no one else has done it as we’ve had a few decent one day players, Hayles, KP to name a few. Am sure others could be mentioned.
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Post by Nobbygas on Nov 3, 2021 11:58:24 GMT
He really is in a rich vein of form. What I find remarkable about it is his ability to react so quickly to each ball that is bowled and the power he gets from his right arm, his lower arm when batting. Commentators often remark about how being a very decent hockey player helped his ability to do that. Whatever, he is a remarkable player and is equally a very nice (I know, old fashioned word) person who is very sensible. He really does have the ability to remain grounded when all around are lavishing praise on him. Great advert for cricket, Somerset where he learnt the game, Lancashire where’s he’s played the odd game and England where he has developed into one of the best one day players in the world. Long way to go yet but I’m sure teams are thinking about how to stop him if they can. Totally agree with all of that. Now, how can they use his skills in Test cricket? That is the million dollar question. How about something totally radical and when winning the toss have him open in a Test and instruct him to play as he does in a One Dayer? If he goes early then the 'normal' opener comes out at No.3. If he stays in then he'll probably have 60 or 70 on the board before Lunch.
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Post by warehamgas on Nov 3, 2021 12:26:34 GMT
He really is in a rich vein of form. What I find remarkable about it is his ability to react so quickly to each ball that is bowled and the power he gets from his right arm, his lower arm when batting. Commentators often remark about how being a very decent hockey player helped his ability to do that. Whatever, he is a remarkable player and is equally a very nice (I know, old fashioned word) person who is very sensible. He really does have the ability to remain grounded when all around are lavishing praise on him. Great advert for cricket, Somerset where he learnt the game, Lancashire where’s he’s played the odd game and England where he has developed into one of the best one day players in the world. Long way to go yet but I’m sure teams are thinking about how to stop him if they can. Totally agree with all of that. Now, how can they use his skills in Test cricket? That is the million dollar question. How about something totally radical and when winning the toss have him open in a Test and instruct him to play as he does in a One Dayer? If he goes early then the 'normal' opener comes out at No.3. If he stays in then he'll probably have 60 or 70 on the board before Lunch. Now that is the million dollar question how to turn his one day form into test match form, you’re right. I think they tried what you’re suggesting with Jason Roy the last time the Aussies were here by getting him to open the batting. It didn’t work but Buttler is better so it’s worth considering. Surprisingly I don’t think Jos Bs average in all the forms is wildly different. In the 30s in all three forms. They tried him opening a few years ago but if failed he got under 10 runs in 4 innings, two tests. His averages when batting at No 6 is the best, high 40s, so I’d be surprised if they did change him from No 6. In Australia if he opened the Aussies would put 5 slips/gully in place then get Hazelwood and Starc to attack the off stump and nail him in the first half hour, esp with the bounce on Australian pitches. In Sharjah the bounce is poor and the wickets slow generally.
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Post by Nobbygas on Nov 3, 2021 12:37:07 GMT
Totally agree with all of that. Now, how can they use his skills in Test cricket? That is the million dollar question. How about something totally radical and when winning the toss have him open in a Test and instruct him to play as he does in a One Dayer? If he goes early then the 'normal' opener comes out at No.3. If he stays in then he'll probably have 60 or 70 on the board before Lunch. Now that is the million dollar question how to turn his one day form into test match form, you’re right. I think they tried what you’re suggesting with Jason Roy the last time the Aussies were here by getting him to open the batting. It didn’t work but Buttler is better so it’s worth considering. Surprisingly I don’t think Jos Bs average in all the forms is wildly different. In the 30s in all three forms. They tried him opening a few years ago but if failed he got under 10 runs in 4 innings, two tests. His averages when batting at No 6 is the best, high 40s, so I’d be surprised if they did change him from No 6. In Australia if he opened the Aussies would put 5 slips/gully in place then get Hazelwood and Starc to attack the off stump and nail him in the first half hour, esp with the bounce on Australian pitches. In Sharjah the bounce is poor and the wickets slow generally. With 5 slips/gully in place that would mean an awful lot of space to attack. If he goes early, then the normal opener comes in. However, if he starts scoring quickly with that space available I'm pretty sure the 5 slips/gully would soon change. Getting the opposition Captain to change his field, bowlers etc when it doesn't fit his plan is just what a batsman needs to do! I think his problems when he did open the batting was that he felt he had to bat like a normal opener. Maybe we just say to him is attack !
Even if he does go early and England 10-1, that is no different to the last four years is it !
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Post by warehamgas on Nov 3, 2021 12:49:19 GMT
Now that is the million dollar question how to turn his one day form into test match form, you’re right. I think they tried what you’re suggesting with Jason Roy the last time the Aussies were here by getting him to open the batting. It didn’t work but Buttler is better so it’s worth considering. Surprisingly I don’t think Jos Bs average in all the forms is wildly different. In the 30s in all three forms. They tried him opening a few years ago but if failed he got under 10 runs in 4 innings, two tests. His averages when batting at No 6 is the best, high 40s, so I’d be surprised if they did change him from No 6. In Australia if he opened the Aussies would put 5 slips/gully in place then get Hazelwood and Starc to attack the off stump and nail him in the first half hour, esp with the bounce on Australian pitches. In Sharjah the bounce is poor and the wickets slow generally. With 5 slips/gully in place that would mean an awful lot of space to attack. If he goes early, then the normal opener comes in. However, if he starts scoring quickly with that space available I'm pretty sure the 5 slips/gully would soon change. Getting the opposition Captain to change his field, bowlers etc when it doesn't fit his plan is just what a batsman needs to do! I think his problems when he did open the batting was that he felt he had to bat like a normal opener. Maybe we just say to him is attack !
Even if he does go early and England 10-1, that is no different to the last four years is it !
I think Buttler scores fairly well behind the bat so he would be vulnerable. I get all your points in favour of it and you may be right and we have struggled with openers so it may be considered but I think the selectors like the reliability of Buttler at No 6 in test cricket. He holds the middle and lower order together and an average of 47 ( I checked) at No 6 is good. It seems incredible doesn’t it that we absolutely hammered the Aussies in the T20 match but they’ll start as clear favourites for the test matches because the pitches will be totally different?
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Post by alftupper on Nov 3, 2021 13:32:25 GMT
Don`t quite see where you`re coming from here. Fielding standards have improved immeasurably as the years have gone by, which makes it all the more surprising that it`s taken 150 years for someone to do what Buttler`s done. Alf, you may not be aware of this little known fact, but in the old days cricket pitches/fields were twice the size of the modern ones, thereby making it more difficult to hit 4's and 6's. This probably accounts for those old players missing out on T20 hundreds. I have read one account of WG Grace hitting one ball and then running an EIGHT with his partner. Before the next bowl was bowled he demanded to have a fag break to recover. Aha. That explains it. There are no records of WG`s averages in T20, so I`m not sure how close he got to a hundred.
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Post by bluetornados on Nov 3, 2021 20:49:04 GMT
Alf, you may not be aware of this little known fact, but in the old days cricket pitches/fields were twice the size of the modern ones, thereby making it more difficult to hit 4's and 6's. This probably accounts for those old players missing out on T20 hundreds. I have read one account of WG Grace hitting one ball and then running an EIGHT with his partner. Before the next bowl was bowled he demanded to have a fag break to recover. Aha. That explains it. There are no records of WG`s averages in T20, so I`m not sure how close he got to a hundred. The first officially recognised Test match took place between 15 and 19 March 1877 and was played between England and Australia at the Melbourne Cricket Ground. The international one day game is a late-twentieth-century development. The first ODI was played on 5 January 1971 between Australia and England at the Melbourne Cricket Ground. The idea for a one-day, limited 50-over cricket tournament, was first played in the inaugural match of the All India Pooja Cricket Tournament in 1951 at Tripunithura in Kochi, Kerala. It is thought to be the brain child of KV Kelappan Thampuran, a former cricketer and the first Secretary of the Kerala Cricket Association. Twenty20, a curtailed form of one-day cricket with 20 overs (120 legal balls) per side, was first played in England in 2003. The first T10 competition using this format took place in December 2017, the opening season of the T10 League in the United Arab Emirates. 100-ball cricket (2.5-hour games), another form of one-day cricket with 100 deliveries per side, launched in England in 2021. Plus there are many other forms of cricket too, WG Grace, Wally Hammond, and Jack Hobbs would probably created many records if these other cricket types had been around.
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Post by lostinspace on Nov 4, 2021 18:34:48 GMT
Wedmore lad, he joined Cheddar as a very junior player possibly 8 years old, there was a gent there, previously on the ground staff at The Oval, he was asked to "run his eye " over this young lad, his comment was " never seen someone so young with so much ability".. contact was made with SCC ...the rest is still history in the making, ...he was virtually forced out of SCC when the young Kieswetter appeared on the scene, behind the curtain things happened and he ( Butler) went to Lancashire.Kieswetter very talented player also unfortunately was plagued with injury problems not too long into his career at Somerset
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Post by warehamgas on Nov 4, 2021 19:00:27 GMT
Wedmore lad, he joined Cheddar as a very junior player possibly 8 years old, there was a gent there, previously on the ground staff at The Oval, he was asked to "run his eye " over this young lad, his comment was " never seen someone so young with so much ability".. contact was made with SCC ...the rest is still history in the making, ...he was virtually forced out of SCC when the young Kieswetter appeared on the scene, behind the curtain things happened and he ( Butler) went to Lancashire.Kieswetter very talented player also unfortunately was plagued with injury problems not too long into his career at Somerset True Somerset lad, born in Taunton. He also played for Glastonbury, I presume after Cheddar. Somerset never wanted him to leave but in 2011-13 found themselves with two top, top players both who wanted to play for England as a wicketkeeper. With Kieswetter a key member of the England T20 World Cup winning team he was probably favourite for the keeper spot being there before and the player in possession as it were. Jos played as a batsman and kept wicket when Craig K was on England duties. Then he left at the end of 2013, all amicable and 6 months later Kieswetter had a career ending injury. So in 2014, Somerset found themselves with no keepers after having two world class players months earlier. Sod’s law!! I actually think he will end his career back in Taunton when he retires from England duties.
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Post by lostinspace on Dec 26, 2021 10:38:17 GMT
Looks mentally shot in this current series, possibly end up going down the Trescothick path and being forced to return home, hopefully not for his sake
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Post by warehamgas on Dec 26, 2021 19:45:10 GMT
Looks mentally shot in this current series, possibly end up going down the Trescothick path and being forced to return home, hopefully not for his sake You’re right, he does look mentally shots but then tbh most of them do. They went into this series without any preparation and somehow the coaches and even Root seem unable to have helped. Always best to wait for the end of a series before having the post-mortem but as it stands one or two test careers may be in question either from the management or voluntarily.
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