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Post by richmace on Sept 13, 2021 22:18:56 GMT
Personally, I would welcome some straight talking with regards to the "Stadium Project".
I have been very vocal in my opposition to the Fruit Market site. I believe that our future is in Horfield (or the surrounding areas of Bristol), and we should "cut our cloth to suit our means". For me, this means either a modest new build on the current site, or a piecemeal stand-by-stand redevelopment. Either option would be exciting and awesome IMO.
The UWE was the ideal new stadium project for us in terms of location (IMO) , and a positive working relationship with the local University made sense to me. That ship has sailed, although the land is still undeveloped.
The short to medium term focus looks like it will be on the team, rather than stadium infrastructure. The training ground is a positive, good investment. Wael must be congratulated for that.
I would be looking to make improvements to The Mem. I can't see a huge redevelopment project elsewhere ever happening for us. The Mem has the ability to generate a loud intimidating atmosphere. It just needs some restructuring and a team that we can all get behind.
We, as a club, need to play to our strengths. Build an identity as the plucky underdog and start to grow a fanbase again around an identity.
I'm sure it can be done. It just requires a vision that is achievable.
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Post by vaughan on Sept 13, 2021 22:34:42 GMT
Personally, I would welcome some straight talking with regards to the "Stadium Project". I have been very vocal in my opposition to the Fruit Market site. I believe that our future is in Horfield (or the surrounding areas of Bristol), and we should "cut our cloth to suit our means". For me, this means either a modest new build on the current site, or a piecemeal stand-by-stand redevelopment. Either option would be exciting and awesome IMO. The UWE was the ideal new stadium project for us in terms of location (IMO) , and a positive working relationship with the local University made sense to me. That ship has sailed, although the land is still undeveloped. The short to medium term focus looks like it will be on the team, rather than stadium infrastructure. The training ground is a positive, good investment. Wael must be congratulated for that. I would be looking to make improvements to The Mem. I can't see a huge redevelopment project elsewhere ever happening for us. The Mem has the ability to generate a loud intimidating atmosphere. It just needs some restructuring and a team that we can all get behind. We, as a club, need to play to our strengths. Build an identity as the plucky underdog and start to grow a fanbase again around an identity. I'm sure it can be done. It just requires a vision that is achievable. Excellent post. Totally agree that the Mem re-development is best approach. We need a new East Stand (see Worcester Warriors), 7,000 capacity, to incorporate all hospitality and office requirements, a small South Stand (see Boreham Wood) 2,800,and a bigger North terrace. Job done. No friggin soulless bowls please. Who is paying btw? 😂😂 |
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Post by TaiwanGas on Sept 14, 2021 1:50:04 GMT
Which begs the question why spend around £20m clearing the debts and a few £m more developing The Quarters if his only intention is to remain an L1 club at best. What other L1/L2 owner has spent that kind of money on their club? By now the Al-Qadi family could have spent in excess of £ 30 million on Rovers but it's how you spend it that counts and that's where the problem has been. Here is an example of a League 2 training ground for which MJ Abbott were also contracted to construct the pitches. A good example Swiss. We don’t seem to achieve much bang for the many bucks Wael spends both on and off pitch. Would be good if Rovers produced a similar type video, I'll just wait. |
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Post by baselswh on Sept 14, 2021 5:26:06 GMT
Who have badly let him down please PHE ? Those he has appointed to run the club on a day to day basis since the takeover. The losses have spiralled and on the pitch we have plummeted back to where Higgs took us following disastrous managerial appointments with the latest being the worse of the lot. It's amazing to me,just how many people have no idea of team work.They refuse to follow the disciplined idea of structural 'authority' and fail to recognise this is how a fc (and many other groups of people ) work. All ego,greed,jealousy and incompetence . Instead of 'singing from the same sheet' and creating success. |
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Post by kingswood Polak on Sept 14, 2021 7:11:17 GMT
Swiss Looking at the filings I would suggest as its compulsory strike off and the latest accounts were for a dormant company in 2019 that it is a failure to register accounts that is the reason for strike off. Not very professional in my view if it is that reason. No doubt Taylor Wessing (the firm with 28 offices internationally and employing over 1000 lawyers) will be to blame for that. I think the knowledge that Dwane Developments existed and that Wael had taken it over from Hani provided some Gasheads with grounds for optimism. But now it's been allowed to fade away without a whisper and, I fear, the hope that nobody would notice. I posted it on the Bristol Rovers official facebook page, should put that cat in amongst the pigeons 😂 |
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Post by kingswood Polak on Sept 14, 2021 7:13:13 GMT
No doubt Taylor Wessing (the firm with 28 offices internationally and employing over 1000 lawyers) will be to blame for that. I think the knowledge that Dwane Developments existed and that Wael had taken it over from Hani provided some Gasheads with grounds for optimism. But now it's been allowed to fade away without a whisper and, I fear, the hope that nobody would notice. You are really this Forum's answer to Ironside. But instead of a wheelchair and big van, you have the Internet to enable you to do the detective work. Pirate does new players on the other Forum, you so corporate finance on this. Am amazing combo. I have received insights that I never thought possible. My layman's view is that Wael is not working on a new Stadium, as he has just spent a large proportion of his inheritance on stabilising us and building new Training Ground. He hasn't got the courage to spell it out to us. Fruit Market is dead after Wael secured control. No great incentive to re-build the Mem in League 2. Be honest, Wael!! I would settle for one decent (East) stand at the Mem in my life-time, but I don't see it happening soon. This isn't a dig at Wael. Just manage our expectations please. Very fair comments and i agree in that Wael has, again, lost an opportunity to be open and even garner support in doing so |
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Post by kingswood Polak on Sept 14, 2021 7:16:54 GMT
Which begs the question why spend around £20m clearing the debts and a few £m more developing The Quarters if his only intention is to remain an L1 club at best. What other L1/L2 owner has spent that kind of money on their club? I don't know the answer to that Droitwich. Is the development of the Quarters cast iron evidence of eg 2nd tier ambition? I would say not necessarily. A 20,000 new stadium,backing a winning manager eg GC would be real evidence. WAQ sounded to me in one interview ,completely unconvinced in our chances of reaching the 2nd tier.I think he let his act slip for a moment. Glad someone else notices this also. He is not the man he was, when he gave his first interviews and he does get very upset by certain comments and to being questioned on finances , future plans |
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Post by kingswood Polak on Sept 14, 2021 7:19:29 GMT
Which begs the question why spend around £20m clearing the debts and a few £m more developing The Quarters if his only intention is to remain an L1 club at best. What other L1/L2 owner has spent that kind of money on their club? By now the Al-Qadi family could have spent in excess of £ 30 million on Rovers but it's how you spend it that counts and that's where the problem has been. Here is an example of a League 2 training ground for which MJ Abbott were also contracted to construct the pitches. In fairness to Wael, he went about everything like a football fan would, got experts in, thinking theory would provide the answers and he would then move forward. The only problem being is he didn’t act upon at least one of those experts report |
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Post by kingswood Polak on Sept 14, 2021 7:24:44 GMT
Personally, I would welcome some straight talking with regards to the "Stadium Project". I have been very vocal in my opposition to the Fruit Market site. I believe that our future is in Horfield (or the surrounding areas of Bristol), and we should "cut our cloth to suit our means". For me, this means either a modest new build on the current site, or a piecemeal stand-by-stand redevelopment. Either option would be exciting and awesome IMO. The UWE was the ideal new stadium project for us in terms of location (IMO) , and a positive working relationship with the local University made sense to me. That ship has sailed, although the land is still undeveloped. The short to medium term focus looks like it will be on the team, rather than stadium infrastructure. The training ground is a positive, good investment. Wael must be congratulated for that. I would be looking to make improvements to The Mem. I can't see a huge redevelopment project elsewhere ever happening for us. The Mem has the ability to generate a loud intimidating atmosphere. It just needs some restructuring and a team that we can all get behind. We, as a club, need to play to our strengths. Build an identity as the plucky underdog and start to grow a fanbase again around an identity. I'm sure it can be done. It just requires a vision that is achievable. Trouble is Rich, We were that team and UWE looked like it would change that. We are now fighting to get back to being the club most others cities football fans quite liked. Barton has played a pivotal role in destroying that. Each time i hear Joey Barton’s Bristol Rovers, i regurgitate my stomach content |
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Post by a more piratey game on Sept 14, 2021 7:38:35 GMT
By now the Al-Qadi family could have spent in excess of £ 30 million on Rovers but it's how you spend it that counts and that's where the problem has been. Here is an example of a League 2 training ground for which MJ Abbott were also contracted to construct the pitches. In fairness to Wael, he went about everything like a football fan would, got experts in, thinking theory would provide the answers and he would then move forward. The only problem being is he didn’t act upon at least one of those experts report that looks a lot like the Quarters, doesn't it? |
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Post by TaiwanGas on Sept 14, 2021 8:30:40 GMT
In fairness to Wael, he went about everything like a football fan would, got experts in, thinking theory would provide the answers and he would then move forward. The only problem being is he didn’t act upon at least one of those experts report that looks a lot like the Quarters, doesn't it? Certain aspects I agree, main difference is that it is a single building, the Quarters has two buildings, the Clubhouse and the Corrugated Steel building. The Stevenage Training ground is used for first team only, they have a second site which is equally fancy for the Stevenage FC Academy Players, Shephalbury Sports Academy. I would love to watch a guided tour video of the Quarters, is it finished yet?. |
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Post by eppinggas on Sept 14, 2021 8:46:34 GMT
Personally, I would welcome some straight talking with regards to the "Stadium Project". I have been very vocal in my opposition to the Fruit Market site. I believe that our future is in Horfield (or the surrounding areas of Bristol), and we should "cut our cloth to suit our means". For me, this means either a modest new build on the current site, or a piecemeal stand-by-stand redevelopment. Either option would be exciting and awesome IMO. The UWE was the ideal new stadium project for us in terms of location (IMO) , and a positive working relationship with the local University made sense to me. That ship has sailed, although the land is still undeveloped. The short to medium term focus looks like it will be on the team, rather than stadium infrastructure. The training ground is a positive, good investment. Wael must be congratulated for that. I would be looking to make improvements to The Mem. I can't see a huge redevelopment project elsewhere ever happening for us. The Mem has the ability to generate a loud intimidating atmosphere. It just needs some restructuring and a team that we can all get behind. We, as a club, need to play to our strengths. Build an identity as the plucky underdog and start to grow a fanbase again around an identity. I'm sure it can be done. It just requires a vision that is achievable. I'd go along with pretty much all of that. Wael should be more open and honest with supporters. We've had enough bad news and disappointment over the years. So we can take it. If the Fruit Market is dead (and everyone seems to think it is) - just tell us. If there are no other sites that we are currently actively pursuing - just tell us. A slow and piecemeal redevelopment of the Mem is not a bad idea. Though it will be tough to make it pay financially. "Build an identity" - Agree. We have lost something over the last few years and the current manager we have in situ does not help. "Plucky underdog" - Agree. Same as it ever was, same as it ever was. "Build fanbase around an identity" - Agree. The excellent work the Community Trust does would be a good starting point. Anyone against Adam Tutton being promoted to the Board? Ah now - the tricky bit. "a vision that is achievable". Yeah. Right. 5 1/2 years down the line. Where is it? |
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Post by matealotblue on Sept 14, 2021 9:03:04 GMT
Danke Swiss. So there may be a possibility this has something to do with a Fruit Market development,somehow? I shouldn't raise your hopes on that one Bas. But if in the future we discover a new company has been formed, say Dwane Developments UK ( 2055) Ltd  , that might be a cause for optimism. So we’ve only got to wait till just before 9 o’clock tonight then……🤪. Bargain 👍 |
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Post by simonj on Sept 14, 2021 9:55:41 GMT
Personally, I would welcome some straight talking with regards to the "Stadium Project". I have been very vocal in my opposition to the Fruit Market site. I believe that our future is in Horfield (or the surrounding areas of Bristol), and we should "cut our cloth to suit our means". For me, this means either a modest new build on the current site, or a piecemeal stand-by-stand redevelopment. Either option would be exciting and awesome IMO. The UWE was the ideal new stadium project for us in terms of location (IMO) , and a positive working relationship with the local University made sense to me. That ship has sailed, although the land is still undeveloped. The short to medium term focus looks like it will be on the team, rather than stadium infrastructure. The training ground is a positive, good investment. Wael must be congratulated for that. I would be looking to make improvements to The Mem. I can't see a huge redevelopment project elsewhere ever happening for us. The Mem has the ability to generate a loud intimidating atmosphere. It just needs some restructuring and a team that we can all get behind. We, as a club, need to play to our strengths. Build an identity as the plucky underdog and start to grow a fanbase again around an identity. I'm sure it can be done. It just requires a vision that is achievable. Trouble is Rich, We were that team and UWE looked like it would change that. We are now fighting to get back to being the club most others cities football fans quite liked. Barton has played a pivotal role in destroying that. Each time i hear Joey Barton’s Bristol Rovers, i regurgitate my stomach content Sure JB hasn't helped, but we as a club haven't been as one for many many years, which is a massive shame. |
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Post by Cheshiregas on Sept 14, 2021 10:10:29 GMT
Swiss Looking at the filings I would suggest as its compulsory strike off and the latest accounts were for a dormant company in 2019 that it is a failure to register accounts that is the reason for strike off. Not very professional in my view if it is that reason. No doubt Taylor Wessing (the firm with 28 offices internationally and employing over 1000 lawyers) will be to blame for that. I think the knowledge that Dwane Developments existed and that Wael had taken it over from Hani provided some Gasheads with grounds for optimism. But now it's been allowed to fade away without a whisper and, I fear, the hope that nobody would notice. Someone not doing their job Swiss - Memorial Stadium Company also given notice - find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/03536554/filing-history |
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Post by Curly Wurly on Sept 14, 2021 12:18:16 GMT
Which begs the question why spend around £20m clearing the debts and a few £m more developing The Quarters if his only intention is to remain an L1 club at best. What other L1/L2 owner has spent that kind of money on their club? By now the Al-Qadi family could have spent in excess of £ 30 million on Rovers but it's how you spend it that counts and that's where the problem has been. Here is an example of a League 2 training ground for which MJ Abbott were also contracted to construct the pitches. Apart from the number of pitches, this is almost identical in function to Phase 1 of the Quarters, so I'm not sure that it proves Stevenage are doing anything better, particularly as they started the development almost 10 years ago. Phase 2 & 3 of the Quarters in planning gives greater overall building space than the Stevenage facility.
I may be wrong, but I thought that Dwane Developments was a specific company vehicle to set up the training ground activity, rather than any stadium. With Hani removing himself, there may not be a need for such a complicated holding company structure and the activity gets absorbed into the Jersey based Dwane Sports.
The Memorial Stadium Company is possibly the same, in that there is now one director (Wael) + Taylor Wessing secretaries. It was late filing in 2019, but averted strike off. Inviting a compulsory strike off seems an unusual way to run, or wind down a business - especially in this case where this is the company that holds the main asset of the ground.
On the other hand, Wael also dissolved: The Memorial Stadium Development Company Ltd. Filton Avenue Developments Ltd. Filton Avenue Guarantee Company Ltd.
The reasons being quite obvious.
I'm assuming that this is all a bit of rationalisation and housekeeping, but a message from the owner to that effect would be welcome.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Sept 14, 2021 12:22:46 GMT
Trouble is Rich, We were that team and UWE looked like it would change that. We are now fighting to get back to being the club most others cities football fans quite liked. Barton has played a pivotal role in destroying that. Each time i hear Joey Barton’s Bristol Rovers, i regurgitate my stomach content Sure JB hasn't helped, but we as a club haven't been as one for many many years, which is a massive shame. Fair comment but i do talk with people from other cities and with prem and championship clubs, the main topic is what the hell are you lot doing in giving Barton the job |
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Post by kingswood Polak on Sept 14, 2021 12:24:57 GMT
In fairness to Wael, he went about everything like a football fan would, got experts in, thinking theory would provide the answers and he would then move forward. The only problem being is he didn’t act upon at least one of those experts report that looks a lot like the Quarters, doesn't it? A little but we , literally, have been given no news , updates or hope of any new or rebuilt stadium. My view is it will not happen, not under our current set up |
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Post by kingswood Polak on Sept 14, 2021 12:28:38 GMT
No doubt Taylor Wessing (the firm with 28 offices internationally and employing over 1000 lawyers) will be to blame for that. I think the knowledge that Dwane Developments existed and that Wael had taken it over from Hani provided some Gasheads with grounds for optimism. But now it's been allowed to fade away without a whisper and, I fear, the hope that nobody would notice. Someone not doing their job Swiss - Memorial Stadium Company also given notice - find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/03536554/filing-historyTo someone like me, with no knowledge of how this is applied, it looks ominous. Could it be it will then be transferred to another of the many DWANE set up, in Wael’s own name ? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2021 12:29:49 GMT
In fairness to Wael, he went about everything like a football fan would, got experts in, thinking theory would provide the answers and he would then move forward. The only problem being is he didn’t act upon at least one of those experts report that looks a lot like the Quarters, doesn't it? Is there 45 acres at The Quarters? |
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