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Post by emperorsuperbus on Aug 8, 2021 20:46:19 GMT
Part of the reason for this thread is draw the B***** talk and what is only going to be growing speculation of his sacking out of the Match Day threads, gives us half a chance just to ignore this thread and that stuff if you want to focus on football side of things in the match day threads and those threads about players and signings.
This thread has a base line that is going to become the talking point in the coming weeks - Rovers sacking Joey B***** whilst the team, as Pundits and Bookies expect, are doing very well - perhaps even in the top three.
I’m convinced already the Reset has gone well, summer recruitment has been excellent (B***** haters just have to bite their tongue on that fact). Also after the 5 at back dirge to end last season, management are going adventurously for it from the off this season.
However, some fans putting pressure on owner after the alleged wife beating incident, and the clubs clumsy initial reply, Wael sowed a seed. His public statement made it explicitly clear, no ifs buts or wriggle room, if either court case convicts B*****, he will be sacked.
Now if we think things have been divisive and acrimonious so far, this is nothing compared to what will come when B***** Rovers are going great, a large part of Rovers fan base feeling affinity with him, we have been starved for years of the sort of excitement of top 3 in December. And, as certainly seems possible in the Stendhal case, B***** is convicted.
There is no war uglier or with longer term repercussions than Civil War. After the English Civil War for example, the Roundheads went on to become the Whig Party, and the Cavaliers the Tory Party. Voting in the US also followed civil war lines for more than a century.
Casting B***** out as his reset and the season is going brilliantly will never make sense to probably more than half rovers most hard core support. For example, one argument the Sheffield United fans made was what’s the point their club, who’s fans love him and him them, casting Evan’s out only for him to bang goals in somewhere else, it’s makes no sense,
Anyone who thinks things soon return to normal once B***** is gone may be proved very naive.
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Post by towngas on Aug 8, 2021 21:32:51 GMT
And you’re loving every minute of it.
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Post by Bamber Gashead on Aug 8, 2021 22:06:56 GMT
What happens if he appeals?
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Post by alftupper on Aug 8, 2021 22:13:43 GMT
What happens if he appeals? Emperor Superbus has already covered this. B***** appeals to some fans, but not others. Therein lies the problem. |
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Post by emperorsuperbus on Aug 10, 2021 19:21:27 GMT
And you’re loving every minute of it. not loving any minute of this division. 😞 Don’t like blue on blue posting this because firmly suspect the division I want gone doesn’t ease up or disappear quickly, in fact club going well at long last at moment either court says guilty, the division blows up into both sides even more incredulous at the other, with even longer lasting bitterness and not understanding each other. what if he appeals? He is still sacked already, Wael has made that clear. Nor will football ban wait on appeal. The penny has only recently dropped for me, based on the bookies and pundits rating us so highly in last few weeks, didn’t expect that expected a cautious 7th or 12, and now we can see why how the reset has gone very well painting a clear picture as we get it together of November December on field, and what we heard before Tunnelgate was delayed followed by Wael’s letter painting a guessable picture what happens. When under pressure Wael boxed himself in. loving it or loathing it, anyone actually disagree or see hole in this guesswork? |
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Post by baselswh on Aug 10, 2021 19:30:48 GMT
I think as we climb the 4th tier table,a large majority of Gasheads will want JB to stay.I think the large majority want him to stay now actually.
The vocal minority will lose in their wish to see the back of Joey.
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Post by Bamber Gashead on Aug 10, 2021 19:50:51 GMT
Depends if we any ever win again...
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Post by emperorsuperbus on Aug 10, 2021 21:33:47 GMT
I think as we climb the 4th tier table,a large majority of Gasheads will want JB to stay.I think the large majority want him to stay now actually. The vocal minority will lose in their wish to see the back of Joey. I certainly get the argument, he committed tunnel crime when at other club and employed knowing that was going to court, so if found guilty still hasn’t committed crime when employed by us. I also get the argument of Blades fans about Evans, he wants to be there, fans love him, why dump him when another club just picks him up? And I think we climb this table with this first 11, just like you, the pundits, the bookies agree we will be riding high next time Joeys in court. I agree, So much of the fan base will be excited and on the managers side. But that is the problem. That’s why I say we haven’t seen the real anger, bitterness and division yet. you have to admit Bas, Wael has told bartonhaters in our support and in media exactly what he will do? He can’t get out. They are following him like Eric Blair with the elephant gun. Wael staked his credibility. He has no choice. See this anecdote. This is how it goes down here. After Wael’s letter and promise, this is coming here. www.orwellfoundation.com/the-orwell-foundation/orwell/essays-and-other-works/shooting-an-elephant/ |
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Post by richmace on Aug 10, 2021 21:40:08 GMT
I don’t care what the bookies predict, the only stat that will matter is points. It is very, very early days but the signs are not good so far.
The lack of goal attempts is starting to feel like a continuation of last season for me. We have not seen a full strength team yet, so we shall see.
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Post by rideintothesun on Aug 10, 2021 22:24:10 GMT
I think as we climb the 4th tier table,a large majority of Gasheads will want JB to stay.I think the large majority want him to stay now actually. The vocal minority will lose in their wish to see the back of Joey. I don't think climbing the 4th tier table is on the cards at all. The club is a shambles on and off the pitch. If you want an insight into where Joey is taking us, watch the introductory video with Mark Hughes, in which he gives the distinct impression of being drunk. This is one of the senior pros. Then look at how many of the players have personal links to Joey and then consider the fact that he has brought his entire entourage with him. Joey and his friends are going to milk the club in precisely the same way they milked Fleetwood before they were thrown out. Wael's 'hands off' approach to the club gives them the perfect opportunity. The OP is wrong to assume the club will be riding high when Joey leaves. At the very best, we will be mid-table. However, when he goes, he will undoubtedly leave behind a shell of a club. |
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Post by baselswh on Aug 11, 2021 6:00:38 GMT
I think as we climb the 4th tier table,a large majority of Gasheads will want JB to stay.I think the large majority want him to stay now actually. The vocal minority will lose in their wish to see the back of Joey. I certainly get the argument, he committed tunnel crime when at other club and employed knowing that was going to court, so if found guilty still hasn’t committed crime when employed by us. I also get the argument of Blades fans about Evans, he wants to be there, fans love him, why dump him when another club just picks him up? And I think we climb this table with this first 11, just like you, the pundits, the bookies agree we will be riding high next time Joeys in court. I agree, So much of the fan base will be excited and on the managers side. But that is the problem. That’s why I say we haven’t seen the real anger, bitterness and division yet. you have to admit Bas, Wael has told bartonhaters in our support and in media exactly what he will do? He can’t get out. They are following him like Eric Blair with the elephant gun. Wael staked his credibility. He has no choice. See this anecdote. This is how it goes down here. After Wael’s letter and promise, this is coming here. www.orwellfoundation.com/the-orwell-foundation/orwell/essays-and-other-works/shooting-an-elephant/ In the scenario JB gets a guilty verdict and Rovers are right bang in the race,WAQ may simply say eg 'things have changed I have complete confidence that Joey has changed and lessons learnt'. Yep, that's blatantly against what he said the other week but El Presidente will get the cheers of the large majority of Gasheads,plus he is El Presidente. |
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Post by baselswh on Aug 11, 2021 6:04:07 GMT
I think as we climb the 4th tier table,a large majority of Gasheads will want JB to stay.I think the large majority want him to stay now actually. The vocal minority will lose in their wish to see the back of Joey. I don't think climbing the 4th tier table is on the cards at all. The club is a shambles on and off the pitch. If you want an insight into where Joey is taking us, watch the introductory video with Mark Hughes, in which he gives the distinct impression of being drunk. This is one of the senior pros. Then look at how many of the players have personal links to Joey and then consider the fact that he has brought his entire entourage with him. Joey and his friends are going to milk the club in precisely the same way they milked Fleetwood before they were thrown out. Wael's 'hands off' approach to the club gives them the perfect opportunity. The OP is wrong to assume the club will be riding high when Joey leaves. At the very best, we will be mid-table. However, when he goes, he will undoubtedly leave behind a shell of a club. Time will tell RITS. I don't think JB could leave Rovers in a bigger mess than BG eg. Anyway 5 to 10 games.Within this time JB ought to be able to play his first 11 - or near it - and if after 10 games progress is not made,then he's under pressure. |
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Post by GasMacc1 on Aug 11, 2021 8:27:08 GMT
Something to muse on: "about as much chance as a toad under a steam-roller".
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Post by emperorsuperbus on Aug 11, 2021 11:24:19 GMT
I certainly get the argument, he committed tunnel crime when at other club and employed knowing that was going to court, so if found guilty still hasn’t committed crime when employed by us. I also get the argument of Blades fans about Evans, he wants to be there, fans love him, why dump him when another club just picks him up? And I think we climb this table with this first 11, just like you, the pundits, the bookies agree we will be riding high next time Joeys in court. I agree, So much of the fan base will be excited and on the managers side. But that is the problem. That’s why I say we haven’t seen the real anger, bitterness and division yet. you have to admit Bas, Wael has told bartonhaters in our support and in media exactly what he will do? He can’t get out. They are following him like Eric Blair with the elephant gun. Wael staked his credibility. He has no choice. See this anecdote. This is how it goes down here. After Wael’s letter and promise, this is coming here. www.orwellfoundation.com/the-orwell-foundation/orwell/essays-and-other-works/shooting-an-elephant/ In the scenario JB gets a guilty verdict and Rovers are right bang in the race,WAQ may simply say eg 'things have changed I have complete confidence that Joey has changed and lessons learnt'. Yep, that's blatantly against what he said the other week but El Presidente will get the cheers of the large majority of Gasheads,plus he is El Presidente. “WAQ may simply say” Not how it works Bas. You don’t want to shoot the elephant, you don’t need to shoot the elephant. But you have no choice but shoot the elephant. Orwell explains why in that short piece. Which we can then apply to all sorts of political situations, where leaders don’t want to but don’t have options but to call referendums for example. And if you don’t shoot the elephant after the impression you would, it’s like Gordon Brown saying “no, I wasn’t planning to call an election” it destroyed him. |
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Post by warehamgas on Aug 11, 2021 11:44:48 GMT
I don't think climbing the 4th tier table is on the cards at all. The club is a shambles on and off the pitch. If you want an insight into where Joey is taking us, watch the introductory video with Mark Hughes, in which he gives the distinct impression of being drunk. This is one of the senior pros. Then look at how many of the players have personal links to Joey and then consider the fact that he has brought his entire entourage with him. Joey and his friends are going to milk the club in precisely the same way they milked Fleetwood before they were thrown out. Wael's 'hands off' approach to the club gives them the perfect opportunity. The OP is wrong to assume the club will be riding high when Joey leaves. At the very best, we will be mid-table. However, when he goes, he will undoubtedly leave behind a shell of a club. Time will tell RITS. I don't think JB could leave Rovers in a bigger mess than BG eg. Anyway 5 to 10 games.Within this time JB ought to be able to play his first 11 - or near it - and if after 10 games progress is not made,then he's under pressure. Come on bas, that’s just nonsense, unless you’re joking. When BG was sacked we were well outside the bottom 4, we had won a few games, drawn a few and lost a few more.We seemed, at the time, a more united club and if we didn’t all like BG then at least the leaders all seemed united, the fans weren’t divided or at least no more than usual. Now, the latest court case from JB on top of the pending one has divided the fan base even more. JB has got a few draws and several losses. He really does need some wins. The owner seems behind him but I’m not sure anyone else in a leadership role is. And that can’t be good. League 2 is not the league where you want to be messing about, divided, arguing among yourselves or anything like that. With our fanbase, the wealth of our owner comparably, the players we have we should be no where near the foot of this division, but a house divided and all that... But you are absolutely right Bas, time will tell and he needs several wins ASAP. UTG! |
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Post by eppinggas on Aug 11, 2021 12:08:15 GMT
I certainly get the argument, he committed tunnel crime when at other club and employed knowing that was going to court, so if found guilty still hasn’t committed crime when employed by us. I also get the argument of Blades fans about Evans, he wants to be there, fans love him, why dump him when another club just picks him up? And I think we climb this table with this first 11, just like you, the pundits, the bookies agree we will be riding high next time Joeys in court. I agree, So much of the fan base will be excited and on the managers side. But that is the problem. That’s why I say we haven’t seen the real anger, bitterness and division yet. you have to admit Bas, Wael has told bartonhaters in our support and in media exactly what he will do? He can’t get out. They are following him like Eric Blair with the elephant gun. Wael staked his credibility. He has no choice. See this anecdote. This is how it goes down here. After Wael’s letter and promise, this is coming here. www.orwellfoundation.com/the-orwell-foundation/orwell/essays-and-other-works/shooting-an-elephant/ In the scenario JB gets a guilty verdict and Rovers are right bang in the race, WAQ may simply say eg 'things have changed I have complete confidence that Joey has changed and lessons learnt'. Yep, that's blatantly against what he said the other week but El Presidente will get the cheers of the large majority of Gasheads,plus he is El Presidente. So you genuinely think a 'large majority' of supporters will cheer should B***** be found guilty, and Wael Al-Qadi leaves him installed as manager? Are you serious? It doesn't matter where we are in the league. Jesus wept. |
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Post by warehamgas on Aug 11, 2021 12:29:58 GMT
In the scenario JB gets a guilty verdict and Rovers are right bang in the race, WAQ may simply say eg 'things have changed I have complete confidence that Joey has changed and lessons learnt'. Yep, that's blatantly against what he said the other week but El Presidente will get the cheers of the large majority of Gasheads,plus he is El Presidente. So you genuinely think a 'large majority' of supporters will cheer should B***** be found guilty, and Wael Al-Qadi leaves him installed as manager? Are you serious? It doesn't matter where we are in the league. Jesus wept. I’m not sure bas is advocating keeping JB if we were to be top or near the top. He’s just saying WAQ could “simply say” that and get out of making a moral decision as opposed to a football one. I too could see that happening though you are correct epping, it doesn’t matter where we are if he’s found guilty he has to go. But I’m not sure WAQ would do that despite his open letter declaration. Fortunately, or not, looking at our first two performances it’s one of the dilemmas WAQ may not need to face! UTG! |
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Post by baselswh on Aug 11, 2021 13:52:21 GMT
In the scenario JB gets a guilty verdict and Rovers are right bang in the race, WAQ may simply say eg 'things have changed I have complete confidence that Joey has changed and lessons learnt'. Yep, that's blatantly against what he said the other week but El Presidente will get the cheers of the large majority of Gasheads,plus he is El Presidente. So you genuinely think a 'large majority' of supporters will cheer should B***** be found guilty, and Wael Al-Qadi leaves him installed as manager? Are you serious? It doesn't matter where we are in the league. Jesus wept. Cheer might be too much Epping,some will though.The majority will accept WAQs decision for JB to stay if found guilty.Imo. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2021 14:21:41 GMT
So you genuinely think a 'large majority' of supporters will cheer should B***** be found guilty, and Wael Al-Qadi leaves him installed as manager? Are you serious? It doesn't matter where we are in the league. Jesus wept. Cheer might be too much Epping,some will though.The majority will accept WAQs decision for JB to stay if found guilty.Imo. It would make Wael look completely ridiculous. He's already stated what he's going to do, immediately, in the event of a guilty verdict being returned. For what it's worth I predict Not Guilty in both cases. That doesn't equate to innocent BTW, it's the equivalent of being asked 'did he do it?' and the reply coming back 'We don't know'. |
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Post by emperorsuperbus on Aug 11, 2021 20:54:31 GMT
“I predict Not Guilty in both cases.”
We know from aborted trial how the rest will play out from prosecution. There’s an injured man. There’s footage of man without injuries walking into tunnel, B***** running in behind, the tunnel doing odd shaky movement. There’s allegation Joey pushed man from behind with some force face first into metal barrier to inflict injuries. The prosecution will say to jury why won’t you believe the claim of someone injured and the police investigating? The defence got some work to do from that video to prove it wasn’t B*****, convince how exactly the injuries occurred other than the prosecution claim, what does B***** himself see or know about the injuries, they were clearly in tunnel together when it did it’s violent movement. How this normally plays out is the prosecution doesn’t do much, the losing uphill battle from defence convinces juries of guilt. There’s been lots in public eye recent years just like this defence on back foot, Derek Chauvin, Conrad Murray, Johnny Depp.
What changed a couple of weeks ago, Wael promising “shooting of an elephant at the point the elephant won’t appear to be any problem at all”. There’s a mob waiting to see it now, and Wael’s credibility at stake.
“It would make Wael look completely ridiculous.” Yes that. That one sentence sums up that he goes through with it.
What has changed recently since Wael promised that, ignore the last couple performances, teething problems, it’s clear we have reset well to challenge this season, just like Olly predicted, watch us show desperate poverty stricken Stevenage we are in a different league in terms of cash power and recruitment, in a couple of months we will be on the way to promotion under B*****.
A very divisive time to sack him when he’s proving a managerial success. Any football failure following that will generate real long lasting hatred and possible violence to anyone on record saying it was right he was sacked.
It seems certain to me trouble is coming down the tracks, that makes bickering so far a picnic in the park. 😕
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