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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2021 13:02:13 GMT
Have the club ever actually done this, until the last couple of years?
I'm struggling to remember anything.
In my view, this is one of the major reasons why we have never progressed, as when we have ever managed to get some success we have never been able to capitalise or build on it.
We've never had either the money or the forsight to do anything other than invest in the first team in the here & now
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Post by absent on May 17, 2021 13:06:45 GMT
An astounding revelation.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2021 13:09:38 GMT
Can't think of a single thing.
Oh hang on, well we did move from sharing a non-League ground in Bath to very quickly owning our own stadium just over a mile away from our original home, but apart from that, no, you've got me totally stumped there.
Oh, and Higgs handed over a blueprint and contract for a new stadium as well.
It sounds as if you trust this owner to invest wisely. OK, fair enough. What do you base that on please?
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Post by Colyton Gas. on May 17, 2021 13:09:49 GMT
Just one new proper stand would be nice.DC used the word infrastructure when new owners took over but personally,I wouldn't include tented stands under that heading.
Becoming tedious now but even semi pro clubs are improving their infrastructure and the EFL must be aware that we fall way below the acceptable standards for disabled facilities and catering.
Have said all this so many times so promise not to mention it again other than at an open day once Geoff Dunford told us that the 'Dribuild ' was being extended the whole length of the pitch and around to where the South Tent is now.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2021 13:20:26 GMT
Over the last 20 years the club bought a stadium and a few houses and plot of land next to the stadium to rebuild the same stadium but since the new owners have come in, absolutely nothing.
I see there is a new training ground near to where I used to live which the new owner has purchased which we will rent, like we used to do at The Beeches, and there have been rumours of a new stadium at the fruit market, ownership to be confirmed, but it's early days and the new owner deserves a chance.
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Post by kingswood Polak on May 17, 2021 16:24:21 GMT
Over the last 20 years the club bought a stadium and a few houses and plot of land next to the stadium to rebuild the same stadium but since the new owners have come in, absolutely nothing. I see there is a new training ground near to where I used to live which the new owner has purchased which we will rent, like we used to do at The Beeches, and there have been rumours of a new stadium at the fruit market, ownership to be confirmed, but it's early days and the new owner deserves a chance. Rent , really ? That really makes me feel nauseous |
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Post by laughinggas on May 17, 2021 16:26:00 GMT
Over the last 20 years the club bought a stadium and a few houses and plot of land next to the stadium to rebuild the same stadium but since the new owners have come in, absolutely nothing. I see there is a new training ground near to where I used to live which the new owner has purchased which we will rent, like we used to do at The Beeches, and there have been rumours of a new stadium at the fruit market, ownership to be confirmed, but it's early days and the new owner deserves a chance. Rent , really ? That really makes me feel nauseous Is this a fact? |
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Post by axegas on May 17, 2021 16:38:55 GMT
Rent , really ? That really makes me feel nauseous Is this a fact? No. |
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2021 17:26:20 GMT
Rent , really ? That really makes me feel nauseous Is this a fact? Well it isn't owned by Bristol Rovers 1883 Ltd so the club will be tenants even if the rent is peppercorn. That's a fact. |
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2021 17:41:22 GMT
Over the last 20 years the club bought a stadium and a few houses and plot of land next to the stadium to rebuild the same stadium but since the new owners have come in, absolutely nothing. I see there is a new training ground near to where I used to live which the new owner has purchased which we will rent, like we used to do at The Beeches, and there have been rumours of a new stadium at the fruit market, ownership to be confirmed, but it's early days and the new owner deserves a chance. Was that the club? I thought it was in individual directors names. |
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2021 17:44:14 GMT
Over the last 20 years the club bought a stadium and a few houses and plot of land next to the stadium to rebuild the same stadium but since the new owners have come in, absolutely nothing. I see there is a new training ground near to where I used to live which the new owner has purchased which we will rent, like we used to do at The Beeches, and there have been rumours of a new stadium at the fruit market, ownership to be confirmed, but it's early days and the new owner deserves a chance. Was that the club? I thought it was in individual directors names. Not sure since they were sold back to the club in 2006 after being taken out of the club to keep the club afloat. |
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2021 17:46:04 GMT
Was that the club? I thought it was in individual directors names. Not sure since they were sold back to the club in 2006 after being taken out of the club to keep the club afloat. Sorry, they were owned by the club, sold to directors c2004 to keep the club afloat with an agreement to sell them back at the same price when the club had the money. The club bought them back in 2007. Not sure what has happened to them since. |
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2021 17:58:03 GMT
"The basic organisational and physical structure that is required to run a business smoothly"
Not too long ago we had no ticketing operation (it was run by the supporters club), If you lived in London and needed a ticket for a play off match you had to physically travel to 199
No commercial set up (it was practically done by Boycey)
The entire medical department considered of Kitey
Chief Scout ? Nope
Bars. Well, not too sure what the best word would be to describe them until recently
On line purchasing? - see "bars" above.
Training Ground - that one has been done to death
Pitch? Look under 'Weston beach'
Pretty impressive how far we have come off the pitch. Just need that bloody new stadium.
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Post by kingswood Polak on May 17, 2021 19:10:32 GMT
Rent , really ? That really makes me feel nauseous Is this a fact? I only replied to the post. I have no idea, none at all |
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Post by holmesgas1 on May 17, 2021 22:53:39 GMT
Can't think of a single thing. Oh hang on, well we did move from sharing a non-League ground in Bath to very quickly owning our own stadium just over a mile away from our original home, but apart from that, no, you've got me totally stumped there. Oh, and Higgs handed over a blueprint and contract for a new stadium as well. It sounds as if you trust this owner to invest wisely. OK, fair enough. What do you base that on please? As usual, some rose tinted historical glasses above. Geoff did a great deal with the Rugby club, who were desperate and a clever contractual clause, which got us the ground, so yes a big step forward. However to say Higgs did anything is pure hot air. He talked a lot and we had some beautiful pictures of potential stadiums in the club house and wasted a load of money in court. Did he deliver anything. A big fat zero. If anything he slowly let the stadium decline. |
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2021 23:07:47 GMT
Can't think of a single thing. Oh hang on, well we did move from sharing a non-League ground in Bath to very quickly owning our own stadium just over a mile away from our original home, but apart from that, no, you've got me totally stumped there. Oh, and Higgs handed over a blueprint and contract for a new stadium as well. It sounds as if you trust this owner to invest wisely. OK, fair enough. What do you base that on please? As usual, some rose tinted historical glasses above. Geoff did a great deal with the Rugby club, who were desperate and a clever contractual clause, which got us the ground, so yes a big step forward. However to say Higgs did anything is pure hot air. He talked a lot and we had some beautiful pictures of potential stadiums in the club house and wasted a load of money in court. Did he deliver anything. A big fat zero. If anything he slowly let the stadium decline. Hang on just a second. You asked a question and got an answer. Geoff and Dennis got us back to Bristol with a small mortgage, compare that to the club's finances now. A ground in Bristol is more important than a training ground, which is miles past the originally projected opening date and now we are being told is being re-designed. And we still have no idea what the actual build or maintenance costs are or whether that money could be better spent elsewhere. I didn't claim that Higgs built anything, what I said was that he handed over plans and a contract for a new stadium. New owners bought the club, claiming that a new stadium was required, I can't remember the exact word used but think it was 'essential', those new owners spent a small fortune on experts who had allegedly been involved in the design and construction of numerous stadiums, then they failed to deliver it. For about the 87 millionth time, I said from the get go that the Sainsbury's thing would never happen and that it was a bad idea to chase them through the courts. That apparently made me 'not a real Rovers supporter' on internet forums at the time. Now, back to the question I asked. You seem to trust Rovers' owner to invest wisely in the club. On what do you base that, or do you not trust him? |
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2021 6:45:55 GMT
Can't think of a single thing. Oh hang on, well we did move from sharing a non-League ground in Bath to very quickly owning our own stadium just over a mile away from our original home, but apart from that, no, you've got me totally stumped there. Oh, and Higgs handed over a blueprint and contract for a new stadium as well. It sounds as if you trust this owner to invest wisely. OK, fair enough. What do you base that on please? As usual, some rose tinted historical glasses above. Geoff did a great deal with the Rugby club, who were desperate and a clever contractual clause, which got us the ground, so yes a big step forward. However to say Higgs did anything is pure hot air. He talked a lot and we had some beautiful pictures of potential stadiums in the club house and wasted a load of money in court. Did he deliver anything. A big fat zero. If anything he slowly let the stadium decline. Ah, the urban myth about the clause. Barclays Bank inserted the clause which actually left us paying £10k more than the grounds value as we had to pay that as well as the entire debt. The idea of purchasing the ground actually came from Colin Williams before he became a director. Commercial property is his expertise and he thought we were missing an opportunity with the rugby club about to sell the stadium to Amtrak so took his idea of joint ownership to GD. As for Higgs, he was a disaster. |
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Post by holmesgas1 on May 18, 2021 7:41:08 GMT
As usual, some rose tinted historical glasses above. Geoff did a great deal with the Rugby club, who were desperate and a clever contractual clause, which got us the ground, so yes a big step forward. However to say Higgs did anything is pure hot air. He talked a lot and we had some beautiful pictures of potential stadiums in the club house and wasted a load of money in court. Did he deliver anything. A big fat zero. If anything he slowly let the stadium decline. Ah, the urban myth about the clause. Barclays Bank inserted the clause which actually left us paying £10k more than the grounds value as we had to pay that as well as the entire debt. The idea of purchasing the ground actually came from Colin Williams before he became a director. Commercial property is his expertise and he thought we were missing an opportunity with the rugby club about to sell the stadium to Amtrak so took his idea of joint ownership to GD. As for Higgs, he was a disaster. That's great, thanks for the detail. The good news between Colin and Geoff we got back to Bristol. As you say Higgs was a disaster, and I still think as a club we are picking up the pieces, because we fell behind so many other clubs for infrastructure and professional approach. TWD unless you have seen the UWE contract I sway more towards believing Wael on this one that it was bad for Rovers as Higgs was desperate, so probably blinded by the opportunity of his legacy than the long term for Rovers. |
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Post by simonj on May 18, 2021 7:52:24 GMT
Just one new proper stand would be nice.DC used the word infrastructure when new owners took over but personally,I wouldn't include tented stands under that heading. Becoming tedious now but even semi pro clubs are improving their infrastructure and the EFL must be aware that we fall way below the acceptable standards for disabled facilities and catering. Have said all this so many times so promise not to mention it again other than at an open day once Geoff Dunford told us that the 'Dribuild ' was being extended the whole length of the pitch and around to where the South Tent is now. Agree, it wouldnt be a waste of money to have a low cost but proper stand put in, whilst we continue the 40 year dream of a stadium. Actually we have the mem so maybe 40 year dream of reasonable facilities. Not trying to start it all over again, but lets just turn the Mem into 17000 ok ground. Concentrate on the atmosphere of the development. |
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Post by vaughan on May 18, 2021 8:56:54 GMT
As usual, some rose tinted historical glasses above. Geoff did a great deal with the Rugby club, who were desperate and a clever contractual clause, which got us the ground, so yes a big step forward. However to say Higgs did anything is pure hot air. He talked a lot and we had some beautiful pictures of potential stadiums in the club house and wasted a load of money in court. Did he deliver anything. A big fat zero. If anything he slowly let the stadium decline. Hang on just a second. You asked a question and got an answer. Geoff and Dennis got us back to Bristol with a small mortgage, compare that to the club's finances now. A ground in Bristol is more important than a training ground, which is miles past the originally projected opening date and now we are being told is being re-designed. And we still have no idea what the actual build or maintenance costs are or whether that money could be better spent elsewhere. I didn't claim that Higgs built anything, what I said was that he handed over plans and a contract for a new stadium. New owners bought the club, claiming that a new stadium was required, I can't remember the exact word used but think it was 'essential', those new owners spent a small fortune on experts who had allegedly been involved in the design and construction of numerous stadiums, then they failed to deliver it. For about the 87 millionth time, I said from the get go that the Sainsbury's thing would never happen and that it was a bad idea to chase them through the courts. That apparently made me 'not a real Rovers supporter' on internet forums at the time. Now, back to the question I asked. You seem to trust Rovers' owner to invest wisely in the club. On what do you base that, or do you not trust him? On day one i.e announcement of takeover, I was on Radio Bristol and asked Steve Hamer about UWE. His words were that that they were not definitely committed to UWE and that they would employ a feasibility study, which they did with Ernst and Young. Non-Disclosue agreements prevented that from becoming public. So the facts are that Dwayne Sports on takeover were never 100% committed to UWE. This was glossed over by many, who just thought that UWE would happen as soon as DS came on board. Speculation, and that's all it is, is why DS did not go ahead. Why doesn't one of the Forum crew find the interview from Friday 18th Feb, 2015 @ 6.10 pm? I used my real name BTW, not Slim Pale Earl. |
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