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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2021 21:14:26 GMT
If Ehmer is so good, Evans will want him back and other League 1 clubs will be queuing up. Terrible signing. If players sulk, then so be it. We are down and Barton knows this. See change of tone in last week. Anssi, Kilgour, Nicholson kept - the rest could disappear without a worry on my part. McCormick is our best player, but on loan. Terrible weak-willed squad - whatever Tommy might say. Vaughan, do you know that Ehmer has sulked? He knows Barton of old, is it not as likely he’s called Barton out on the bullsh&t he’s feeding us and doesn’t want to play for him? Maybe he doesn’t buy into Japanese philosophy (or standard management to the rest of us)? If you know something then fine, but I’m certainly not siding with Barton over some unprofessional crap he’s spouting to the Bristol Evening Pravda, just as I wouldn’t swallow Widdrington’s amateurish ramblings after the glorious win over Portsmouth
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2021 21:23:54 GMT
I’ve just been to the polluted sewer that is Bristolpost coverage of rovers. Anyone who didn’t know the truth would think Barton is Christ The Saviour reading this bent drivel. Although Barton is making mistakes in game & club management, there’s no mention of his mistakes anywhere! www.bristolpost.co.uk/all-about/bristol-rovers-fcIncredible. Barton is Wael’s pride and joy, the crown jewel in his Instagram feed and the reason the club has got a few hundred more twitter follows in the last few weeks. It would take a very strong willed local hack to take the guy to task. Whilst Barton is coming out with controversial stuff he’s also gold for any reporter. Just wind him up and watch him go. Long term Frost is probably just hanging in there and waiting for the meltdown that seems to be in the works.
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Post by bondigas on Mar 22, 2021 22:59:00 GMT
I think the football world recognises that Rovers are a basket case club and the owner is a soft touch as long as he's flattered. Would any other club in the British Isles have given Barton a job after Fleetwood sacked him, I think not, his criminal misdemeanours are just unacceptable to any normal club and digging out Ehmer today is just the pits, a cheap cowardly shot at an individual with no right of reply.
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Post by emperorsuperbus on Mar 22, 2021 23:06:38 GMT
Never a captain poor organizer no leader and full of mistakes at centre back and right back. Tony Craig must be laughing his socks off. Agree with toxic turd one thousand per cent. Next . . Upson Next Grant Role of the captain. Correct me where I am wrong. When players are upset about something it is role of club captain to speak to the boss voicing their thoughts? So where many fans today delighted with toxic turd, standing shoulder to shoulder with fans publicly belittling the biggest flop signing of an underperforming season, there could be much more to it? I had more confidence of staying up last Saturday evening after 0.2 loss than now.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2021 23:19:13 GMT
I think the football world recognises that Rovers are a basket case club and the owner is a soft touch as long as he's flattered. Would any other club in the British Isles have given Barton a job after Fleetwood sacked him, I think not, his criminal misdemeanours are just unacceptable to any normal club and digging out Ehmer today is just the pits, a cheap cowardly shot at an individual with no right of reply. Here’s a plot twist for you: www.kentonline.co.uk/medway/sport/the-shouting-men-gills-skipper-on-barton-the-boss-218249/It couldn’t be that Barton is playing to the crowd, could it?
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Post by emperorsuperbus on Mar 23, 2021 1:15:27 GMT
I think the football world recognises that Rovers are a basket case club and the owner is a soft touch as long as he's flattered. Would any other club in the British Isles have given Barton a job after Fleetwood sacked him, I think not, his criminal misdemeanours are just unacceptable to any normal club and digging out Ehmer today is just the pits, a cheap cowardly shot at an individual with no right of reply. Here’s a plot twist for you: www.kentonline.co.uk/medway/sport/the-shouting-men-gills-skipper-on-barton-the-boss-218249/It couldn’t be that Barton is playing to the crowd, could it? “some recollections may vary” 😆 at least Ehmer comes out looking like a decent and fair geezer from all this career assassination.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2021 2:00:27 GMT
“some recollections may vary” 😆 at least Ehmer comes out looking like a decent and fair geezer from all this career assassination. Agreed but you kinda feel they can’t both be telling the truth... ...unless the love was completely one sided and Ehmer wasn’t aware of the seeming contempt that Barton held him in.
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Post by emperorsuperbus on Mar 23, 2021 5:40:03 GMT
“some recollections may vary” 😆 at least Ehmer comes out looking like a decent and fair geezer from all this career assassination. Agreed but you kinda feel they can’t both be telling the truth... ...unless the love was completely one sided and Ehmer wasn’t aware of the seeming contempt that Barton held him in. on the day toxic turd carried out career assassination on the guy, it’s an eloquent piece from a solid and respected football pro, and well found by you. we have seen it before we will see it again, sometimes it doesn’t at first, or at all, work out when players or managers go from club to club, it doesn’t mean they can’t play or manage as they were doing perfectly we’ll before. Tillson took a lot of stick early on I recall, Lambert too. Daryl got bog rolled in the middle of building amazing bounce back promotion season. actively encouraging a clubs fan base to turn on its players during a tight survival push, seems an original piece of managerial leadership. It certainly takes Brealey’s Art Of Captaincy and rips it to shreds. Have we seen anything like this before? Is toxic turd Gaslighting now? Gaslighting. At the Gas? 😧
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Post by CabbagePatchBlues on Mar 23, 2021 7:08:53 GMT
Trooper toxic turd's got it spot on I reckon. Punch him in the gut, butt him on the nose and tie him to a pole in no-man's land for the snipers to finish him off. That'll teach the f*cker a lesson.
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Post by eppinggas on Mar 23, 2021 11:45:01 GMT
Trooper toxic turd's got it spot on I reckon. Punch him in the gut, butt him on the nose and tie him to a pole in no-man's land for the snipers to finish him off. That'll teach the f*cker a lesson. That can't be right. The usual modus operandi is to assault the person from behind first. Or perhaps by speaking publicly, isn't that metaphorically exactly what he has done here? I rarely quote on the guzzler any more. It's just painful to listen and read what's happening to the Club. I admit to being more than a little confused right now. Am I more appalled by toxic turd Barton as our Manager, or by the way the baying mob have clung to his every word as if he is some sort of saviour?
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Mar 23, 2021 11:56:28 GMT
Trooper toxic turd's got it spot on I reckon. Punch him in the gut, butt him on the nose and tie him to a pole in no-man's land for the snipers to finish him off. That'll teach the f*cker a lesson. Am I more appalled by toxic turd Barton as our Manager, or by the way the baying mob have clung to his every word as if he is some sort of saviour? That's a shame a few have felt it best for them to step out the forum. I regret that sentiment, but completely understand it. Since JAB arrival, nothing prior, but since JAB arrival, what has he said that you disagree with? I understand what he has said might be uncomfortable in public listening, or the timing might not be right, but the actual contents of what JAB has said, I'm struggling to find any disagreement with.....?
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Post by vaughan on Mar 23, 2021 12:31:36 GMT
Did Rovers players sulk when GT was dropped when he attended the wedding of his brother? No, because they soon realised that GF called the shots and players realised that football games were more important.
Modern players have had a lifetime of coaches and managers blowing smoke up their bottoms. JB is old school in that he calls a spade a spade. DC did the same after relegation. Coughlan sensed weakness as well.
Supporters will take solace from the fact that someone is addressing real causes. Ehmer as skipper for him reflects what is wrong. He is basically saying, the snowflake culture reflected poor choice.
I really like the fact that he is calling out the underlying causes, although it cost Tisdale his job. It shows that he will take on TW and win.
We are going down because the recruitment via Garner and TW has been piss poor and we don't have enough quality, fitness, mental toughness to be in League 1.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Mar 23, 2021 12:35:19 GMT
Am I more appalled by toxic turd Barton as our Manager, or by the way the baying mob have clung to his every word as if he is some sort of saviour? That's a shame a few have felt it best for them to step out the forum. I regret that sentiment, but completely understand it. Since JAB arrival, nothing prior, but since JAB arrival, what has he said that you disagree with? I understand what he has said might be uncomfortable in public listening, or the timing might not be right, but the actual contents of what JAB has said, I'm struggling to find any disagreement with.....? Just to get this right, you think it perfectly right to do a character assassination of a player in the eye of the media, Yes ? We don’t know if Ehmer is liked by the other players but whatever the answer to that, this will have had an awful effect and they will be wondering who next. It won’t make them play better. I’ve seen this type of bullying , as that it what it is, it doesn’t work and is a terrible and unprofessional thing to do
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Post by kingswood Polak on Mar 23, 2021 12:38:22 GMT
Did Rovers players sulk when GT was dropped when he attended the wedding of his brother? No, because they soon realised that GF called the shots and players realised that football games were more important. Modern players have had a lifetime of coaches and managers blowing smoke up their bottoms. JB is old school in that he calls a spade a spade. DC did the same after relegation. Coughlan sensed weakness as well. Supporters will take solace from the fact that someone is addressing real causes. Ehmer as skipper for him reflects what is wrong. He is basically saying, the snowflake culture reflected poor choice. I really like the fact that he is calling out the underlying causes, although it cost Tisdale his job. It shows that he will take on TW and win. We are going down because the recruitment via Garner and TW has been piss poor and we don't have enough quality, fitness, mental toughness to be in League 1. End of. No, We may go down but due to having an owner who lives abroad and had this vision of pretty football and brought those people in. You cannot just leave him out of the equation. He is the architect of it all
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Mar 23, 2021 12:47:24 GMT
That's a shame a few have felt it best for them to step out the forum. I regret that sentiment, but completely understand it. Since JAB arrival, nothing prior, but since JAB arrival, what has he said that you disagree with? I understand what he has said might be uncomfortable in public listening, or the timing might not be right, but the actual contents of what JAB has said, I'm struggling to find any disagreement with.....? Just to get this right, you think it perfectly right to do a character assassination of a player in the eye of the media, Yes ? We don’t know if Ehmer is liked by the other players but whatever the answer to that, this will have had an awful effect and they will be wondering who next. It won’t make them play better. I’ve seen this type of bullying , as that it what it is, it doesn’t work and is a terrible and unprofessional thing to do To answer your question directly, no of course not and I've posted elsewhere I don't agree with doing dirty washing in public. And I agree with you, Kp....that is one way of looking at it. But that wasn't my question. To distinguish what JAB says, and how/timing of saying it is very different. On the subject of Ehmer, I am forced to somewhat agree his form is poor, his captaincy is poorer, and since JAB arrival I have found his comments and observations on matches I have seen, very much aligned to my own. Do you disagree with the content of what is said?
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Post by emperorsuperbus on Mar 23, 2021 13:01:15 GMT
Just to get this right, you think it perfectly right to do a character assassination of a player in the eye of the media, Yes ? We don’t know if Ehmer is liked by the other players but whatever the answer to that, this will have had an awful effect and they will be wondering who next. It won’t make them play better. I’ve seen this type of bullying , as that it what it is, it doesn’t work and is a terrible and unprofessional thing to do To answer your question directly, no of course not and I've posted elsewhere I don't agree with doing dirty washing in public. And I agree with you, Kp....that is one way of looking at it. But that wasn't my question. To distinguish what JAB says, and how/timing of saying it is very different. On the subject of Ehmer, I am forced to somewhat agree his form is poor, his captaincy is poorer, and since JAB arrival I have found his comments and observations on matches I have seen, very much aligned to my own. Do you disagree with the content of what is said? yes. I disagree with both the public bullying being bad management and the content being insane judgement. you take a look at the content, he is saying Ehmer has never been any good, when he clearly has been. now take a look at what toxic turd is doing to you. toxic turd cost us at Plymouth by leaving us over run in midfield, and he has filled media vintage and modern with all this chaff to deflect scrutiny and blame.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Mar 23, 2021 13:31:04 GMT
Just to get this right, you think it perfectly right to do a character assassination of a player in the eye of the media, Yes ? We don’t know if Ehmer is liked by the other players but whatever the answer to that, this will have had an awful effect and they will be wondering who next. It won’t make them play better. I’ve seen this type of bullying , as that it what it is, it doesn’t work and is a terrible and unprofessional thing to do To answer your question directly, no of course not and I've posted elsewhere I don't agree with doing dirty washing in public. And I agree with you, Kp....that is one way of looking at it. But that wasn't my question. To distinguish what JAB says, and how/timing of saying it is very different. On the subject of Ehmer, I am forced to somewhat agree his form is poor, his captaincy is poorer, and since JAB arrival I have found his comments and observations on matches I have seen, very much aligned to my own. Do you disagree with the content of what is said? It’s a very difficult one. We had the captains letter and, even though many of us saw that as an in house produced piece I think it showed he did care. His form has been nothing short of awful but I don’t think slagging ANY player off, in public, is also very poor form and even worse management. I see it as a publicity stunt, look at me I’m tough on them and that’s what you wanted from me eh. If Joe is so intelligent then he must know this. It could and should have been dealt with in a quiet and much more professional way. I hated what happened to Eliot Richards so this is just unacceptable, to me anyway.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Mar 23, 2021 13:39:30 GMT
To answer your question directly, no of course not and I've posted elsewhere I don't agree with doing dirty washing in public. And I agree with you, Kp....that is one way of looking at it. But that wasn't my question. To distinguish what JAB says, and how/timing of saying it is very different. On the subject of Ehmer, I am forced to somewhat agree his form is poor, his captaincy is poorer, and since JAB arrival I have found his comments and observations on matches I have seen, very much aligned to my own. Do you disagree with the content of what is said? you take a look at the content, he is saying Ehmer has never been any good, when he clearly has been. That's not what JAB said. He didn't say Ehmer wasn't any good. He said M E hadn't learned the lessons from 8/9 years ago and was still making the same mistakes. He also said he couldn't understand why he was captain (I inferred the decision to defer to the team voting him captain by BG?). Both are valid observations, although I agree it's questionable whether to make that public. There is a difference between the contents of what JAB says, and how and when he delivers it... As regards to Plymouth defeat, I find it difficult to disagree with you on the surface. There may be underlying issues why the mid couldn't be shored up, but from a distance, it looked to be a tactical error not to at least match up (if it was possible) formation.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2021 13:43:27 GMT
Did Rovers players sulk when GT was dropped when he attended the wedding of his brother? No, because they soon realised that GF called the shots and players realised that football games were more important. Modern players have had a lifetime of coaches and managers blowing smoke up their bottoms. JB is old school in that he calls a spade a spade. DC did the same after relegation. Coughlan sensed weakness as well. Supporters will take solace from the fact that someone is addressing real causes. Ehmer as skipper for him reflects what is wrong. He is basically saying, the snowflake culture reflected poor choice. I really like the fact that he is calling out the underlying causes, although it cost Tisdale his job. It shows that he will take on TW and win. We are going down because the recruitment via Garner and TW has been piss poor and we don't have enough quality, fitness, mental toughness to be in League 1. End of. GF, DC, GC, proper managers who dealt with things in a proper way. We know relegation will be Garners fault, toxic turd keeps telling us, but what I don’t understand is that having done so much homework on the club before arriving he was so certain of keeping us up with this group of players? It stands to reason he would have to take a small smidgen of responsibility for relegation, especially as we weren’t in the relegation zone until he got here. Or would that be too much for the Barton fanatics to accept?
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Mar 23, 2021 13:44:27 GMT
To answer your question directly, no of course not and I've posted elsewhere I don't agree with doing dirty washing in public. And I agree with you, Kp....that is one way of looking at it. But that wasn't my question. To distinguish what JAB says, and how/timing of saying it is very different. On the subject of Ehmer, I am forced to somewhat agree his form is poor, his captaincy is poorer, and since JAB arrival I have found his comments and observations on matches I have seen, very much aligned to my own. Do you disagree with the content of what is said? It’s a very difficult one. We had the captains letter and, even though many of us saw that as an in house produced piece I think it showed he did care. His form has been nothing short of awful but I don’t think slagging ANY player off, in public, is also very poor form and even worse management. I see it as a publicity stunt, look at me I’m tough on them and that’s what you wanted from me eh. If Joe is so intelligent then he must know this. It could and should have been dealt with in a quiet and much more professional way. I hated what happened to Eliot Richards so this is just unacceptable, to me anyway. Well again much respect Kp because I find that post difficult to disagree with. All I would say is, the rhetoric seems to be stronger against JAB, and I'm not condoning how he's conducted his business, but I can't remember many siding with Kyle Bennett or Stefan Payne, even Ellis when he threw his tantrum....and even worse with other players such as, Zebrowski? Maybe slightly different, but point still stands, no one thought of bullying when slagging publicly.
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