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Post by carlts2020 on Jan 25, 2021 8:51:38 GMT
As a break from debating the manager(s) and players...it would be interesting to see what everyone thinks of the key board members. Manager selection, player recruitment etc
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Post by basel on Jan 25, 2021 9:05:06 GMT
The Board,like all ofus need to learn from mistakes.As long as this happens I don't mind them.
WAQ maybe a wee bit naive, but he maybe learning lessons.
The departure of GC and hiring of BG was possibly the most outrageous mistakes Rovers have ever seen.
That doesn't mean they can't help us make the 2nd tier and new stadium.Eventually.
We are in the midst of a pandemic and all the pain it has brought.Wael has kept us afloat.
The timing of this poll looks bad to me.
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Post by carlts2020 on Jan 25, 2021 9:12:34 GMT
The Board,like all ofus need to learn from mistakes.As long as this happens I don't mind them. WAQ maybe a wee bit naive, but he maybe learning lessons. The departure of GC and hiring of BG was possibly the most outrageous mistakes Rovers have ever seen. That doesn't mean they can't help us make the 2nd tier and new stadium.Eventually. We are in the midst of a pandemic and all the pain it has brought.Wael has kept us afloat. The timing of this poll looks bad to me. We debate the players and managers performance daily. In the last 12 months a manager has left, we have employed two managers, sacked one. The squad has been overhauled, we have two new members of the coaching / football staff, a new training ground and a head of recruitment promoted to director of football. All the above signed off / managed / put in place by the board. We must be able to debate the performance of the board. They run the football club and are responsible for all of the high level decisions. What have they done well? How can they improve? Etc |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2021 9:26:49 GMT
Come on 'other'.
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Post by toteend3 on Jan 25, 2021 11:05:24 GMT
The Board,like all ofus need to learn from mistakes.As long as this happens I don't mind them. WAQ maybe a wee bit naive, but he maybe learning lessons. The departure of GC and hiring of BG was possibly the most outrageous mistakes Rovers have ever seen. That doesn't mean they can't help us make the 2nd tier and new stadium.Eventually. We are in the midst of a pandemic and all the pain it has brought.Wael has kept us afloat. The timing of this poll looks bad to me. Bloody good post - Poll very bad form at this present time - You should be careful what you wish for! |
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Post by eppinggas on Jan 25, 2021 11:31:33 GMT
Yup "other" at the moment.
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Post by carlts2020 on Jan 25, 2021 11:43:42 GMT
The Board,like all ofus need to learn from mistakes.As long as this happens I don't mind them. WAQ maybe a wee bit naive, but he maybe learning lessons. The departure of GC and hiring of BG was possibly the most outrageous mistakes Rovers have ever seen. That doesn't mean they can't help us make the 2nd tier and new stadium.Eventually. We are in the midst of a pandemic and all the pain it has brought.Wael has kept us afloat. The timing of this poll looks bad to me. Bloody good post - Poll very bad form at this present time - You should be careful what you wish for! I’m not wishing for anything. There are polls on PT performance during a pandemic and we sacked BG during a pandemic. Why can’t we review how the board has done in a pandemic. |
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Post by irishrover on Jan 25, 2021 12:40:56 GMT
Bloody good post - Poll very bad form at this present time - You should be careful what you wish for! I’m not wishing for anything. There are polls on PT performance during a pandemic and we sacked BG during a pandemic. Why can’t we review how the board has done in a pandemic. I think they've done very badly on the pandemic - they haven't even tried to produce a vaccine or any PPE....
The point I think is that it's probably quite difficult to evaluate board performance in the current climate. Personally I consider a minor miracle that every club in League 1 and League 2 hasn't gone bust - I'm not sure whether that has anything to do with the board. Circumstances are so unusual it's hard to assess in the usual ways. The appointment of Garner was a catastrophe that many saw coming at the time. But I'm quite pleased that we got Tisdale - I've wanted him to manage us for years. There's been a much better game talked around off field developments in the last year but it's still a little vague in terms of the mid-long term (to say the least). I think Wael deserves a bit of a blank slate (although not a total one) now he seems in sole charge and so I'd say the jury is very much still out.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2021 12:44:50 GMT
So can we in the campaign for 'other' count on your vote, irishrover? |
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Post by irishrover on Jan 25, 2021 12:52:25 GMT
So can we in the campaign for 'other' count on your vote, irishrover ? I joined the party some time ago - I'm a hardcore member of the 'unsure' faction who are fighting for control of key committees against those splitters running on the 'wait and see' slate. |
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Post by a more piratey game on Jan 25, 2021 15:05:35 GMT
So can we in the campaign for 'other' count on your vote, irishrover ? I joined the party some time ago - I'm a hardcore member of the 'unsure' faction who are fighting for control of key committees against those splitters running on the 'wait and see' slate.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2021 16:05:09 GMT
I answered “No”
Happy with Wael for the time being after he cleared the debts and has shown intent to get us moving off the pitch. But I’m concerned at his faith in the personnel on the board. It seems to need freshening up to me after the debacle of the past year. Surely there has to be better than Starnes and a Widdrington out there if we want to pursue a strategy of producing saleable assets? That requires experience and expertise and I’m not sure those two are the right fit given the recruitment over the summer and the way we lurched from letting BG go to having Tisdale appointed without any sort of time for reflection. The leadership over the last year has not been good enough imo.
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Post by carlts2020 on Jan 25, 2021 16:09:57 GMT
I answered “No” Happy with Wael for the time being after he cleared the debts and has shown intent to get us moving off the pitch. But I’m concerned at his faith in the personnel on the board. It seems to need freshening up to me after the debacle of the past year. Surely there has to be better than Starnes and a Widdrington out there if we want to pursue a strategy of producing saleable assets? That requires experience and expertise and I’m not sure those two are the right fit. I would agree with that. I am generally quite uncomfortable with having positions filled on the board such as DofF without a proper transparent application and interview process and assessment of other candidates etc. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2021 16:18:16 GMT
I answered “No” Happy with Wael for the time being after he cleared the debts and has shown intent to get us moving off the pitch. But I’m concerned at his faith in the personnel on the board. It seems to need freshening up to me after the debacle of the past year. Surely there has to be better than Starnes and a Widdrington out there if we want to pursue a strategy of producing saleable assets? That requires experience and expertise and I’m not sure those two are the right fit. I would agree with that. I am generally quite uncomfortable with having positions filled on the board such as DofF without a proper transparent application and interview process and assessment of other candidates etc. Widdrington was brought in by D.C. and Starnes was a mate of Wael’s. I’d like to see us make what looks like more considered and professional decision making. No more hiring mates off the cuff, hire some consultants from within the game if we have to to invite applications and/or headhunt good value appointments that are tasked (amongst other things) with keeping tabs on the most suitable managers and younger players and being on top of succession planning. If it were me I’d have a DOF that would be in charge of the playing style and they would be the most important cog, with players and managers coming and going as their stock brought them moves elsewhere but the DOF providing some continuity in standards expectations. |
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Post by lostinspace on Jan 25, 2021 16:59:32 GMT
WHAT is other, i might vote for that if i knew what it was, otherwise a futile time wasting exercise ....
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Post by carlts2020 on Jan 25, 2021 17:02:22 GMT
WHAT is other, i might vote for that if i knew what it was, otherwise a futile time wasting exercise .... Vote other then expand in the comments section |
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Post by irishrover on Jan 25, 2021 18:32:23 GMT
I would agree with that. I am generally quite uncomfortable with having positions filled on the board such as DofF without a proper transparent application and interview process and assessment of other candidates etc. Widdrington was brought in by D.C. and Starnes was a mate of Wael’s. I’d like to see us make what looks like more considered and professional decision making. No more hiring mates off the cuff, hire some consultants from within the game if we have to to invite applications and/or headhunt good value appointments that are tasked (amongst other things) with keeping tabs on the most suitable managers and younger players and being on top of succession planning. If it were me I’d have a DOF that would be in charge of the playing style and they would be the most important cog, with players and managers coming and going as their stock brought them moves elsewhere but the DOF providing some continuity in standards expectations. I think this is fair. I'm less concerned about the PT appointment. We did interview him this last year were obviously impressed enough to think he could do the job and needed a quick appointment. He has an excellent pedigree and seems to fit what the board state they are trying to achieve. I'd like to know who the people that didn't like the appointment would rather we had bought in?
The DOF on the other hand is a different story. The construction of thre squad is obviously the big issue here and it seems fair that Widdrington face some scrutiny in this situation and if we're appointing a DOF to set the long-term culture and strategy I think it's reasonable to question whether it should really be an internal appointment. I'm not sure you are going to get the neccesary shift and you also miss out on the added value of widening the network and links etc that naturally comes from appointing an external guy.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2021 19:01:06 GMT
Widdrington was brought in by D.C. and Starnes was a mate of Wael’s. I’d like to see us make what looks like more considered and professional decision making. No more hiring mates off the cuff, hire some consultants from within the game if we have to to invite applications and/or headhunt good value appointments that are tasked (amongst other things) with keeping tabs on the most suitable managers and younger players and being on top of succession planning. If it were me I’d have a DOF that would be in charge of the playing style and they would be the most important cog, with players and managers coming and going as their stock brought them moves elsewhere but the DOF providing some continuity in standards expectations. I think this is fair. I'm less concerned about the PT appointment. We did interview him this last year were obviously impressed enough to think he could do the job and needed a quick appointment. He has an excellent pedigree and seems to fit what the board state they are trying to achieve. I'd like to know who the people that didn't like the appointment would rather we had bought in?
The DOF on the other hand is a different story. The construction of thre squad is obviously the big issue here and it seems fair that Widdrington face some scrutiny in this situation and if we're appointing a DOF to set the long-term culture and strategy I think it's reasonable to question whether it should really be an internal appointment. I'm not sure you are going to get the neccesary shift and you also miss out on the added value of widening the network and links etc that naturally comes from appointing an external guy.
Okay, so it’s news to me that Tisdale has put himself forward. I got the impression he had received a call while on the golf course asking him out of the blue if he would be our manager and thought he’d give it a go as his phone had got dusty since leaving MK Dons. I understand the speed of the appointment now. I’m still a little wary of how we do business though. There seems to be a recurrent theme of us finding ourselves managerless and just going back to the last interview process and selecting a new taxi off the rank. There will have been reasons why that guy was not good enough last time yet is the preferred candidate now? It seems to lack imagination and is a bit lazy. Okay Garner I can let pass, but after the spectacular failure of Garner wouldn’t it make sense to actually hang up when calling Tisdale, put the phone down and just give ourselves some time to evaluate how it went so spectacularly wrong and learn from it? We really are like a hormonal teenage girl throwing ourselves at one bloke after another and wondering why none of them turn out to be relationship material. We need to stop and do the work on ourselves to figure out why we are so desperate. So, who instead of Tisdale? I have what you could consider warped logic maybe- I wasn’t a fan of Tisdale’s when his name cropped up because his record at our level was poor. What bothered me even more was that I thought the guy had a reputation for good football at least but former fans soon predicted his future acts of bizarre formations and substitutions and (surprisingly of all) defensive football. I think we missed a trick by not going for Clough when we had the chance. Experienced and successful at league one level. But with regards to the warped logic my next choice would have been someone like Duff at Cheltenham, doing alright in the league below (so could be tempted by a club like us in the league above) young and up and coming in a D.C. sort of way but crucially no experience at league one level, but to me that’s actually a good thing. I’d prefer no experience at league one level than someone who is known to have failed already in league. We simply don’t know what a guy like Duff could do. I rather fear we know what Tisdale can do and so far it’s not looking promising. So it feels like we’ve tilted on a six pence in the blink of an eye and simply re-arranged the deck chairs on the  and it’s not something you can blame on Tisdale, it’s poor boardroom choices to a) hire Garner, b) offer him the likes of Harries and Timmy Abraham c) allow a guy with no real clue what he was doing to sign 3,250 players in the summer most of whom will be gone at the end of the season (if we can find any takers) and d) rush into signing a replacement out of desperation. The board (and Garner) have to take 100% of the blame. |
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Post by carlts2020 on Jan 25, 2021 19:07:00 GMT
I think this is fair. I'm less concerned about the PT appointment. We did interview him this last year were obviously impressed enough to think he could do the job and needed a quick appointment. He has an excellent pedigree and seems to fit what the board state they are trying to achieve. I'd like to know who the people that didn't like the appointment would rather we had bought in?
The DOF on the other hand is a different story. The construction of thre squad is obviously the big issue here and it seems fair that Widdrington face some scrutiny in this situation and if we're appointing a DOF to set the long-term culture and strategy I think it's reasonable to question whether it should really be an internal appointment. I'm not sure you are going to get the neccesary shift and you also miss out on the added value of widening the network and links etc that naturally comes from appointing an external guy.
Okay, so it’s news to me that Tisdale has put himself forward. I got the impression he had received a call while on the golf course asking him out of the blue if he would be our manager and thought he’d give it a go as his phone had got dusty since leaving MK Dons. I understand the speed of the appointment now. I’m still a little wary of how we do business though. There seems to be a recurrent theme of us finding ourselves managerless and just going back to the last interview process and selecting a new taxi off the rank. There will have been reasons why that guy was not good enough last time yet is the preferred candidate now? It seems to lack imagination and is a bit lazy. Okay Garner I can let pass, but after the spectacular failure of Garner wouldn’t it make sense to actually hang up when calling Tisdale, put the phone down and just give ourselves some time to evaluate how it went so spectacularly wrong and learn from it? We really are like a hormonal teenage girl throwing ourselves at one bloke after another and wondering why none of them turn out to be relationship material. We need to stop and do the work on ourselves to figure out why we are so desperate. So, who instead of Tisdale? I have what you could consider warped logic maybe- I wasn’t a fan of Tisdale’s when his name cropped up because his record at our level was poor. What bothered me even more was that I thought the guy had a reputation for good football at least but former fans soon predicted his future acts of bizarre formations and substitutions and (surprisingly of all) defensive football. I think we missed a trick by not going for Clough when we had the chance. Experienced and successful at league one level. But with regards to the warped logic my next choice would have been someone like Duff at Cheltenham, doing alright in the league below (so could be tempted by a club like us in the league above) young and up and coming in a D.C. sort of way but crucially no experience at league one level, but to me that’s actually a good thing. I’d prefer no experience at league one level than someone who is known to have failed already in league. We simply don’t know what a guy like Duff could do. I rather fear we know what Tisdale can do and so far it’s not looking promising. So it feels like we’ve tilted on a six pence in the blink of an eye and simply re-arranged the deck chairs on the and it’s not something you can blame on Tisdale, it’s poor boardroom choices to a) hire Garner, b) offer him the likes of Harries and Timmy Abraham c) allow a guy with no real clue what he was doing to sign 3,250 players in the summer most of whom will be gone at the end of the season (if we can find any takers) and d) rush into signing a replacement out of desperation. The board (and Garner) have to take 100% of the blame. Very interesting and a good read. I want boards to be a lot more visible, a lot more transparent and take ownership of all decisions. If a manager / recruitment want to sign a player they should should justify why, the fee, how the player fits in etc. Once signed it should sit with the board..they would have then signed the manager and the player. |
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Post by TaiwanGas on Jan 25, 2021 20:41:45 GMT
Karim Bey, the chap that was based at the Rovers London office, and Wael's personal driver is also on the Rovers board of directors I thought!. Never hear anything from/about him and I do wonder at what he brings to the boardroom table.
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and it’s not something you can blame on Tisdale, it’s poor boardroom choices to a) hire Garner, b) offer him the likes of Harries and Timmy Abraham c) allow a guy with no real clue what he was doing to sign 3,250 players in the summer most of whom will be gone at the end of the season (if we can find any takers) and d) rush into signing a replacement out of desperation. The board (and Garner) have to take 100% of the blame.