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Post by gasheadnaboo on Nov 17, 2020 14:12:07 GMT
Terrible performances under Garner were his downfall, Widdrington not interested in job full time, new person will have to fit with what club wants.
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Post by irishrover on Nov 17, 2020 14:36:48 GMT
Have we seen that? Lots of people are saying this but is it actually true? It might well be - you assume has has something about him. But I don't think we can realistically claim that we saw any of this.
I agree that Rovers should take a while and do a proper recruitment process. But it also needs our current lords and masters to have a bit of a rethink about how they want to go forward. Ie. Do we continue with this general approach of developing potentially talented cheap talent and aiming to move out from there or do we go for a bit more balance of youth and experience? I'd like to see at least a bit of an adjustment. I don't think the overall strategy is neccesarily that bad an idea but I think we convinced ourselves we could go all in on promising young ex-prem Under 23 talent and I think that's a questionable assumption.
Until they've decided what their vision is they shouldn't even begin the recruitment process because if they want to go with a 'Garner but better' option that will immediately disqualify a whole host of viable candidates who you'd assume wouldn't be interested unless they could bring in a bit of experience to bolster this squad.
Irish "Do we continue with this general approach of developing potentially talented cheap talent and aiming to move out from there or do we go for a bit more balance of youth and experience?" But has this not happened? We have an international goalie, Ehmer who is an established L1 centre back, ditto for Baldwin, Nicholson, Scot Premier & MLS, Oztumer established L1 midfielder, Upon in the Squad, Leahy in the squad. Little is still with us. Seems we have that balance. That's fair up to a point. But you also have to look at the balance of who has come in and who has left. Also the timing of the changes that occurred last January - that's the bit I will never understand. Why disrupt a squad that had managed to get to 4th in the league? That was a major statement of intent that we were going in a different direction.
There's also the rhetoric around it as well in the sense that there's little doubt that BG was there primarily because of his perceived capacity to identify, improve and (presumably) sell on promising young players. To me that emphasis and priority is a signigicant departure from previous managerial. It does hint at a longer term strategic approach and a departure from more short term thinking.
I'm not saying this is neccesarily a bad thing but I am saying that I'm not sure all the names linked to the job will buy into that and we've already highlighted the challenge of appointing someone based on those priorities. To me Tisdale looks like a nice balance between those 2 with a prior record of player development and working with young players but I'd like us to take some time identifing the right candidate.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Nov 17, 2020 16:07:29 GMT
How's about Mick McCarthy?
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Post by eppinggas on Nov 17, 2020 16:24:16 GMT
How's about Mick McCarthy? Only if he shares management responsibilities with Roy Keane.
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Post by vaughan on Nov 17, 2020 16:46:35 GMT
I did not say that he was passionless. 2 hours of Podcast and over 20 years in management revealed that he has a passion for building team environments.
However, because he does not pace the line and thump his chest, many Rovers fans might consider him a cold fish, compared to an Olly or DC. He asked what was the point of a Manager ranting and raving in one of the Podcasts.
Temperamentally, I think that he is well-matched with Starnes and Wael. Not sure whether the Rovers supporters will warm to him as much as predecessors.
I found that he is much more pragmatic than Garner. Building an environment takes time, but the first 100 days is about results. His words.
Starnes has effectively ruled out Cook, Flynn and others with his earlier interview in my humble opinion.
Please do your research before coming to your own personal conclusions.
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Post by Cheshiregas on Nov 17, 2020 21:28:17 GMT
Yawn.....grenade into pond and no football comment as usual.....š© I doubt my expertise on football matches your superior intelegence on such matters so why try?. I wa hoping that the writer would expand on why he made his comment. I would welcome your football comments and my knowledge of football is no greater than anyone else's. It's a football forum and it's nice to get a wide range of football comments as we all have different views and why not share yours? š
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Post by kingswood Polak on Nov 17, 2020 21:34:52 GMT
Pretty clear and damning of our previous coach
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Post by Mrs V Smegma on Nov 17, 2020 21:59:33 GMT
Still think the Cowley brothers would be most likely to get the best out of our squad and would be a good fit with us. Tisdale a better option than some of the names being bandied about but Paul Hurst would be my second choice if we can't get the Cowleys.
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Post by gasheadnaboo on Nov 17, 2020 22:25:03 GMT
Pretty clear and damning of our previous coachĀ Big time. I also picked up on a tone of frustration with themselves for allowing it to happen, so hopefully many lessons learned.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2020 1:32:25 GMT
Itās more a question of whoās prepared to take this poisoned chalice on. Coughlan was waved off, Garner has faced a storm of spite not seen since Buckle. Darrell came in on the back of the slaughtering of John Ward. The way Ben has been treated will not go down well in the tight knit football community considering we are a bog standard lower leagues outfit with delusions of grandeur. Steam of spite ? He wasnāt even here a lot of that time plus he didnāt have the terrace abuse. If anything he was coddled and not subject to normal reaction. I totally disagree Oh weāll be being talked about in the tight knit football community alright...the likes of MacAnthony pissing themselves that our owner gave a bloke with 2 wins in his first 20 games the chance to bring a load of new players in and crack on with round 2.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2020 1:38:44 GMT
Yes Wareham, the Board need to know what they want before starting interviews. They hired a pretentious non leader of men last time.Does that say anything about them. Fingers crossed.š¤ Did'nt GC get the job ahead of BG and so on GCs departure the board went back to the 2nd best from that time? Seem to remember reading that. I hope they take their time, set out what they want, stick to it and get it right. They have time, we aren't relegated yet and the new manager will have the benefit of (yet another!) period of settling in... Yes, most Gasheads are that patient (or cynical/worn down).Ā The fact we haven't got crowds will mean that he will get the chance to settle in even if we lose a few unless of course he reads the forums where he will be slaughtered by some from day one as the wrong person, cheap option, inexperienced, yes man, here for the money, etc (delete or add as appropriate!) Good luck to whoever comes in. Thatās football though, every fanbase is the same, wanting instant success, especially us who were ticking along quite nicely under GC and were then ārobbedā of a promotion challenge and not only that, tanked because of a disastrous managerial appointment. Management is not for the faint hearted and Iām pretty sure most know and accept that criticism comes with the territory. If they donāt want criticism then they should be good at their job and win the odd football match now and then. Anyway, the standard has been set so bloody low by Garner a lot of fans will probably be happy if he can manage a bang average win ratio til now and then end of the season.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2020 1:44:57 GMT
Still think the Cowley brothers would be most likely to get the best out of our squad and would be a good fit with us. Tisdale a better option than some of the names being bandied about but Paul Hurst would be my second choice if we can't get the Cowleys. The Cowleys are pure long ball merchants. If they end up getting brought in something will have gone seriously wrong between what Starnes said they were going to do and what they actually did.
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Post by harrybuckle on Nov 18, 2020 4:01:28 GMT
No one has mentioned fans favourite Stuart Campbell will he swap the American dream for the cold of Almondsbury?
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Post by petecolley on Nov 18, 2020 5:21:47 GMT
No one has mentioned fans favourite Stuart Campbell will he swap the American dream for the cold of Almondsbury? What the Captain of the team that sold us short ? No way.
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Post by Cheshiregas on Nov 18, 2020 9:59:43 GMT
No one has mentioned fans favourite Stuart Campbell will he swap the American dream for the cold of Almondsbury? What the Captain of the team that sold us short ? No way. Wonder how HE would manage and handle a players rebellion...... oh but of course he knows from the other side. I like the bloke and loved that he was part of a team that gave so much (still enjoy seeing the highlights from Lincoln away) but he certainly didn't help the cause in his latter days at the Gas.
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Post by eppinggas on Nov 18, 2020 11:21:03 GMT
Tisdale 1/5 I'm told. Great at Team Bath. Very good at Grecians. Flop at MK Dons. Worked with youngish players alot I think. Plays passing game. Quite the dandy. Tisdale 1-3 on Skybet. Widdrington 3-1 and Flynn 8-1. Careful putting money on with them mind... I'm still waiting for them to pay out on the Democrats winning Michigan & Pennsylvania... Tisdale in to 1/6, Widdrington out to 5/1, Flynn 12/1. But be careful with a bookie that still doesn't recognise the winning party in Michigan and Pennsylvania.
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Post by mangogas15 on Nov 18, 2020 13:17:18 GMT
Tisdale 1-3 on Skybet. Widdrington 3-1 and Flynn 8-1. Careful putting money on with them mind... I'm still waiting for them to pay out on the Democrats winning Michigan & Pennsylvania... Tisdale in to 1/6, Widdrington out to 5/1, Flynn 12/1. But be careful with a bookie that still doesn't recognise the winning party in Michigan and Pennsylvania. Don't really want any of them
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Post by Delsy on Nov 18, 2020 15:10:40 GMT
Who would you prefer then Mango ? I don't think that we are going to get anyone too ' famous' and after reading some of the comments on the various forums I think many Rovers fans have serious delusions of grandeur ! We have to be realistic and with the Derby job open at present a lot of the names mentioned are going to be looking towards the East Midlands rather than the tump. I think I would get behind Tisdale if appointed, Ok he struck out at MK but did well at X - Zedder and coming to us might be like a kind of homecoming, one that I think he might give a really good shot.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2020 16:07:04 GMT
Tisdale in to 1/6, Widdrington out to 5/1, Flynn 12/1. But be careful with a bookie that still doesn't recognise the winning party in Michigan and Pennsylvania. Don't really want any of them Following a poor start to the 2019ā20 season in which Milton Keynes Dons achieved only one point from a possible 27 - the worst run of results in the club's short history - Tisdale's contract with the club was mutually terminated #UTG
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Post by kingswood Polak on Nov 18, 2020 16:18:22 GMT
Steam of spite ? He wasnāt even here a lot of that time plus he didnāt have the terrace abuse. If anything he was coddled and not subject to normal reaction. I totally disagree Oh weāll be being talked about in the tight knit football community alright...the likes of MacAnthony pissing themselves that our owner gave a bloke with 2 wins in his first 20 games the chance to bring a load of new players in and crack on with round 2. True but I was directly talking about this so called steam of spite. He had, still has, tinters whip think he was turning things around. Yes, turning us into potential NL, again. He was coddled and given what he wanted. Our fans were superb with the news of family illness too
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