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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2020 11:51:23 GMT
Never go back in football, it does work sometimes but for Graydony, Gerry, Wardy and to a certain extent, Gouldy it turned into a disaster. I was joking, really. Although not entirely. I'm just so fed up at the failure of The Project. |
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Post by chrissyg58 on Nov 15, 2020 11:56:45 GMT
Graham Coughlan and Paul Buckle as assistant,
Nurse more tablets please
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Post by toteend3 on Nov 15, 2020 12:15:23 GMT
Stupid boy Pike, he’s in Walsall not Warsaw. Well according to Kafkadesk 12th June 2020 under the title ' Here's where Polish people are buying houses in the UK ' - I Quote: The most popular areas for Polish people to buy a house in Birmingham are Erdington, which has been described by the BBC as ‘Little Poland’, and Walsall. Despite Birmingham’s increasing vibrancy and an improving jobs market, house prices are a little below the national average, at around £215,000. Ok he's wasting away in (Little) Poland - i would guess 50% would welcome him back and 50% would not...... So to yestardays shock announcement which after reflection is the correct course of action, as our points tally and performances were starting to replicate last season's catastropic collapse of form. Relegaton was only avoided due to his predessor GC already having accumalated enough points, however this early into the new season we are all ready only three points off the drop zone. With regards to BG's player recruitment it was the best in my living memory and the quality in the squad meant there cannot be any excuses if significant improvement in our results and style of football wasen't delivered. Sure aginst the better teams ie Doncaster, Hull, Ipswich, Peterborough, we have matched them in games for long sways. So to yesterdays game against Fleetwood after a dire first half, a combination of two half time sub's and the wind being behind us, we scored a cracking team goal and once again we had an insight into what BG and Wael were trying to bring to the playing side of things. However once again we were beaten by yet another 'street wise' opponent. The problem is BG had no answer to solving our 'glass chin' If DC dosen't 'rock your boat' then the other BG might be a cheaper option as he was right about BG all along........... |
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Post by laughinggas on Nov 15, 2020 13:53:56 GMT
Bristol Rovers do not have a successor lined up to replace Ben Garner, Bristol Live understands, with the club set to welcome applications in the coming days.
Garner was sacked shortly after the 4-1 defeat to Fleetwood Town on Saturday with Rovers 18th in League One with just three wins from 11 games.
Focus quickly turned on Saturday evening to who Rovers will select to succeed him.
The early bookmakers’ favourite for the job is head of recruitment Tommy Widdrington, who is set to be in caretaker charge for Wednesday’s EFL Trophy tie with Chelsea U21s and is priced as an odds-on chance.
But the club do not intend to consider him as a candidate, nor does the 49-year-old crave the job full time.
Instead, Rovers plan to conduct an application process over the next couple of weeks before narrowing down contenders and holding interviews.
Widdrington, CEO Martyn Starnes and of course owner Wael Al-Qadi will oversee that process. Starnes is expected to discuss the situation with the press this week.
Some fans suspected an immediate successor was waiting in the wings given the swift swing of the axe that ended Garner’s reign within 90 minutes of full time on Saturday.
That is not the case and the club is open-minded on options to replace Garner.
His coaching staff of Jack Mesure, Kevin Maher and David Coles remain employed by the club and they are expected to stay unless they wish to depart.
The club is believed to be eager to ensure its new manager coalesces with the existing framework and strategy to make the club more sustainable by developing talent from within.
There will also be an expectation to deliver an attacking, entertaining style of football that Garner promised but ultimately failed to deliver.
Garner’s game management is understood to have been a particular concern for decision-makers at Rovers, with like-for-like substitutions and naive passages of play in recent weeks testing their patience before the Fleetwood debacle proved to be the final straw.
There was no revolt from within the dressing room, but the board had seen enough and believe a different voice is required to get the best out of this overhauled squad.
But Rovers will not panic and rip up the template to start from scratch. They have faith in their strategy and the players recruited.
And, while remaining open-minded on possible successors, a more proven manager is the preference.
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Post by billyocean on Nov 15, 2020 14:35:29 GMT
"Garner’s game management is understood to have been a particular concern"
^^ this
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Post by irishrover on Nov 15, 2020 15:22:04 GMT
Bristol Rovers do not have a successor lined up to replace Ben Garner, Bristol Live understands, with the club set to welcome applications in the coming days. Garner was sacked shortly after the 4-1 defeat to Fleetwood Town on Saturday with Rovers 18th in League One with just three wins from 11 games. Focus quickly turned on Saturday evening to who Rovers will select to succeed him. The early bookmakers’ favourite for the job is head of recruitment Tommy Widdrington, who is set to be in caretaker charge for Wednesday’s EFL Trophy tie with Chelsea U21s and is priced as an odds-on chance. But the club do not intend to consider him as a candidate, nor does the 49-year-old crave the job full time. Instead, Rovers plan to conduct an application process over the next couple of weeks before narrowing down contenders and holding interviews. Widdrington, CEO Martyn Starnes and of course owner Wael Al-Qadi will oversee that process. Starnes is expected to discuss the situation with the press this week. Some fans suspected an immediate successor was waiting in the wings given the swift swing of the axe that ended Garner’s reign within 90 minutes of full time on Saturday. That is not the case and the club is open-minded on options to replace Garner. His coaching staff of Jack Mesure, Kevin Maher and David Coles remain employed by the club and they are expected to stay unless they wish to depart. The club is believed to be eager to ensure its new manager coalesces with the existing framework and strategy to make the club more sustainable by developing talent from within. There will also be an expectation to deliver an attacking, entertaining style of football that Garner promised but ultimately failed to deliver. Garner’s game management is understood to have been a particular concern for decision-makers at Rovers, with like-for-like substitutions and naive passages of play in recent weeks testing their patience before the Fleetwood debacle proved to be the final straw. There was no revolt from within the dressing room, but the board had seen enough and believe a different voice is required to get the best out of this overhauled squad. But Rovers will not panic and rip up the template to start from scratch. They have faith in their strategy and the players recruited. And, while remaining open-minded on possible successors, a more proven manager is the preference. That sounds worryingly kneejerk and based on a hunch rather than a deliberate plan for transition. That worries me.
We were patient.....right up to the point we weren't.
Once again - it's not about my view on whether Garner was the right man or not (that's irrelevant now). But sacking the manager is the easy bit - it's appointing the new one that's hard and this does not fill me with confidence that we had much of a plan here or are clear on what we want going forward.
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Post by a more piratey game on Nov 15, 2020 16:17:54 GMT
given our supposedly new and highly organised approach to player recruitment, I'd expect something similar to have been done re managers
though I wouldn't expect Caretaker Widders to have done it, maybe - creates a bit of a conflict
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Post by Rex on Nov 15, 2020 19:22:19 GMT
Bristol Rovers do not have a successor lined up to replace Ben Garner, Bristol Live understands, with the club set to welcome applications in the coming days. Garner was sacked shortly after the 4-1 defeat to Fleetwood Town on Saturday with Rovers 18th in League One with just three wins from 11 games. Focus quickly turned on Saturday evening to who Rovers will select to succeed him. The early bookmakers’ favourite for the job is head of recruitment Tommy Widdrington, who is set to be in caretaker charge for Wednesday’s EFL Trophy tie with Chelsea U21s and is priced as an odds-on chance. But the club do not intend to consider him as a candidate, nor does the 49-year-old crave the job full time. Instead, Rovers plan to conduct an application process over the next couple of weeks before narrowing down contenders and holding interviews. Widdrington, CEO Martyn Starnes and of course owner Wael Al-Qadi will oversee that process. Starnes is expected to discuss the situation with the press this week. Some fans suspected an immediate successor was waiting in the wings given the swift swing of the axe that ended Garner’s reign within 90 minutes of full time on Saturday. That is not the case and the club is open-minded on options to replace Garner. His coaching staff of Jack Mesure, Kevin Maher and David Coles remain employed by the club and they are expected to stay unless they wish to depart. The club is believed to be eager to ensure its new manager coalesces with the existing framework and strategy to make the club more sustainable by developing talent from within. There will also be an expectation to deliver an attacking, entertaining style of football that Garner promised but ultimately failed to deliver. Garner’s game management is understood to have been a particular concern for decision-makers at Rovers, with like-for-like substitutions and naive passages of play in recent weeks testing their patience before the Fleetwood debacle proved to be the final straw.There was no revolt from within the dressing room, but the board had seen enough and believe a different voice is required to get the best out of this overhauled squad. But Rovers will not panic and rip up the template to start from scratch. They have faith in their strategy and the players recruited. And, while remaining open-minded on possible successors, a more proven manager is the preference. What a load of old bollocks, he lost too many matches with no sign of long term improvement, it really is that simple. |
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Post by warehamgas on Nov 15, 2020 19:34:36 GMT
This could prove to be the hardest manager hunt we have had. Maybe there is someone who says good squad, couple of tweaks and I can get them going. Oh I’ll bet there are a few who say that, the problem will be distinguishing which of them is capable of actually doing it. So it will be up to Wael, Starnes and TW to really step up and be good at discriminating between those who say they can and those who actually can. As ever, no guarantees. UTG! |
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Post by basel on Nov 15, 2020 19:43:25 GMT
This could prove to be the hardest manager hunt we have had. Maybe there is someone who says good squad, couple of tweaks and I can get them going. Oh I’ll bet there are a few who say that, the problem will be distinguishing which of them is capable of actually doing it. So it will be up to Wael, Starnes and TW to really step up and be good at discriminating between those who say they can and those who actually can. As ever, no guarantees. UTG! There are enough managers out there with lower league experience,success and like to see the ball passed. Nigel Adkins eg. |
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Post by bloogas on Nov 15, 2020 19:50:27 GMT
This could prove to be the hardest manager hunt we have had. Maybe there is someone who says good squad, couple of tweaks and I can get them going. Oh I’ll bet there are a few who say that, the problem will be distinguishing which of them is capable of actually doing it. So it will be up to Wael, Starnes and TW to really step up and be good at discriminating between those who say they can and those who actually can. As ever, no guarantees. UTG! To digress - reminds me of a discussion with a colleague about one of our managers. Me slagging him off. Colleague quietly remarks "well, he persuaded the board." |
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Post by warehamgas on Nov 15, 2020 20:05:44 GMT
Oh I’m sure there are basel. Adkins is one and there are others, Cook, even Lee J (unlikely!), Heckinbottom, Alexander and others. My point was more that those deciding will have to distinguish between those who say everything is great and those who can actually make it great. In an open interview situation where you have multiple candidates it’s always harder for the interviewers rather than the interviewees. They have more to lose, it’s their organisation on the line.
I’ve no idea about the process they are about to start or how they will do it but with GC and BG I get the impression that those two were the only candidates at the time, the process not being an open process.I may be wrong. In an open competitive interview situation they will have to judge, distinguish between the candidates, who’s best. This will test the panel.
I hope they get it right.
UTG!
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Post by Mrs V Smegma on Nov 15, 2020 22:57:05 GMT
Are the Cowley brothers still out of work? If so, yes please. If not then Paul Hurst if available
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Post by kingswood Polak on Nov 16, 2020 3:05:44 GMT
It’s more a question of who’s prepared to take this poisoned chalice on. Coughlan was waved off, Garner has faced a storm of spite not seen since Buckle. Darrell came in on the back of the slaughtering of John Ward. The way Ben has been treated will not go down well in the tight knit football community considering we are a bog standard lower leagues outfit with delusions of grandeur. Steam of spite ? He wasn’t even here a lot of that time plus he didn’t have the terrace abuse. If anything he was coddled and not subject to normal reaction. I totally disagree |
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Post by basel on Nov 16, 2020 5:45:33 GMT
Oh I’m sure there are basel. Adkins is one and there are others, Cook, even Lee J (unlikely!), Heckinbottom, Alexander and others. My point was more that those deciding will have to distinguish between those who say everything is great and those who can actually make it great. In an open interview situation where you have multiple candidates it’s always harder for the interviewers rather than the interviewees. They have more to lose, it’s their organisation on the line. I’ve no idea about the process they are about to start or how they will do it but with GC and BG I get the impression that those two were the only candidates at the time, the process not being an open process.I may be wrong. In an open competitive interview situation they will have to judge, distinguish between the candidates, who’s best. This will test the panel. I hope they get it right. UTG! Yes Wareham,the Board need to know what they want before starting interviews.They hired a pretentious non leader of men last time.Does that say anything about them.Fingers crossed.🤞 Did'nt GC get the job ahead of BG and so on GCs departure the board went back to the 2nd best from that time?Seem to remember reading that. |
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Post by harrybuckle on Nov 16, 2020 5:48:53 GMT
Some one who scores goals and gas loyalty to Rovers .... Matt Taylor ticks all the boxe
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Post by Cheshiregas on Nov 16, 2020 9:13:18 GMT
There will also be an expectation to deliver an attacking, entertaining style of football that Garner promised but ultimately failed to deliver. Garner’s game management is understood to have been a particular concern for decision-makers at Rovers, with like-for-like substitutions and naive passages of play in recent weeks testing their patience before the Fleetwood debacle proved to be the final straw.What a load of old bollocks, he lost too many matches with no sign of long term improvement, it really is that simple. I think it was more wide ranging than that Rex. If it was all about losing games he would have been sacked last season and a new manager given the chance to do the pre season recruitment. As Saturday showed he was tactically naïve, didn't seem to have the necessary experience to raise or change the team, allowed his team to be bullied by a more streetwise team (wasting time, bullying and playing the ref, more aggressive and astute at set pieces etc), and had an overly calm demeanour based on confidence in his ability and knowledge. There was little passion which, whilst DC might have been overly emotional, allows you to raise players games. Let's not forget he came highly recommended by those who had worked with him incl Lambert and Pulis, but as we have seen he is a better coach than a manager. That's why he needed someone like a wise old head Lennie Lawrence in the background advising and driving like he did with Trollope. I wish him well as I thought the plan was/is good but as proved you need a more experienced worldly wise individual in League One. |
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Post by Cheshiregas on Nov 16, 2020 9:22:07 GMT
Oh I’m sure there are basel. Adkins is one and there are others, Cook, even Lee J (unlikely!), Heckinbottom, Alexander and others. My point was more that those deciding will have to distinguish between those who say everything is great and those who can actually make it great. In an open interview situation where you have multiple candidates it’s always harder for the interviewers rather than the interviewees. They have more to lose, it’s their organisation on the line. I’ve no idea about the process they are about to start or how they will do it but with GC and BG I get the impression that those two were the only candidates at the time, the process not being an open process. I may be wrong. In an open competitive interview situation they will have to judge, distinguish between the candidates, who’s best. This will test the panel. I hope they get it right. UTG! Yes Wareham, the Board need to know what they want before starting interviews. They hired a pretentious non leader of men last time.Does that say anything about them. Fingers crossed.🤞 Did'nt GC get the job ahead of BG and so on GCs departure the board went back to the 2nd best from that time? Seem to remember reading that. I hope they take their time, set out what they want, stick to it and get it right. They have time, we aren't relegated yet and the new manager will have the benefit of (yet another!) period of settling in... Yes, most Gasheads are that patient (or cynical/worn down). The fact we haven't got crowds will mean that he will get the chance to settle in even if we lose a few unless of course he reads the forums where he will be slaughtered by some from day one as the wrong person, cheap option, inexperienced, yes man, here for the money, etc (delete or add as appropriate!) Good luck to whoever comes in. |
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Post by TaiwanGas on Nov 16, 2020 10:53:39 GMT
It’s more a question of who’s prepared to take this poisoned chalice on. Coughlan was waved off, Garner has faced a storm of spite not seen since Buckle. Darrell came in on the back of the slaughtering of John Ward. The way Ben has been treated will not go down well in the tight knit football community considering we are a bog standard lower leagues outfit with delusions of grandeur. BG was given the dream ticket by Wael & Co. It shall come to pass that BG himself will one day say that he was not ready and experienced enough a manager for the pressure, football and challenges of League One. |
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Post by CabbagePatchBlues on Nov 16, 2020 11:43:03 GMT
No good throwing names in, first agree the profile. Let's stay with good football, developing players etc. Do we need a DOF to ensure we make appointments to follow the strategy? What about coaches now? I think a director of footballs on the pitch would be more to our advantage right now |
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