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Post by emperorsuperbus on Sept 26, 2020 22:25:42 GMT
This is my take.
From what I discern of Garner Ball, i don’t think it’s intended to be artisan possession football, leaving opponents chasing shadows.
it’s a pressing game with emphasis on press more than shape, similarly looks to move the ball quickly and attack quickly from the position you get the ball in, from a fluid shape rather than trying to set into a particular shape. I like the high tempo they are trying to do their work in, moving the ball quickly. But rather than high possession stats, I think Garner Ball is more of a press the ball, turn it over, counter attack style. If we can get better and better and quite effective at this, I kinda like it.
The risk elements of pressing or counter attacking quickly without shape, you can have players out of position leaving the back line in trouble. How do players, particularly full backs and midfielders Mark effectively if their emphasis is pressing and counter attacking instead. In other words personnel. Did we not moan last season when Ollie, Ogg, and Upson were all in the team, and we lacked a bit of passing flair? This is the flip of that coin.
And high urgency game means getting tired, especially if not match fit. Think of the high in artistry but rather tubby by today’s standards Liverpool team getting turn round 4.3 by the lean and fit Palace side in that cup semi. No room for any barrels strolling around in Garner Ball I think.
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Post by CabbagePatchBlues on Sept 27, 2020 7:50:11 GMT
I didn't get the rosette to change to the Radio Bristol commentary on any browser I tried so I had to stick with the Doncaster commentary. They were very complementary first half and praised both sides for their high press and willingness to play it on the ground, but come the end they were wondering where we'd gotten to. We had a purple patch when they fell back a bit after going two goals up and we snatched one back. They then stepped up a gear and we fell apart as we did against Ipswich. Their game plan is simple; quick passing and forward movement off the ball to create space. Nice fluent football. They're not a pacy side but let the ball do the work. We matched them for long spells but failed to step up a gear like they did and ended up well beaten. Some really sloppy defending for a couple of their goals. I think it was their first that came from playing head tennis in our penalty area and the last was straight out of the coaching manual: a low cut back to the far post for a simple knock-in. I thought Westbrooke and Hanlan looked the part but I was bemused by Kilgour as a wing back. Daly ran about a lot chasing shadows and Ayunga looked a bit lost when he came on to play alongside Hanlan. They're too similar to play together as two up front. My take is this: the manager is still experimenting and needs October at least before being shown the door. The squad is young but there's something about them that says persevere a bit longer. It was only the third game after all, seven more against so-called lesser sides will give a better indication of where we're at.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Sept 27, 2020 9:27:44 GMT
It's Fantasy Football.
Simples.
We've all done it, some of us continue to. Only one I can think of should be banned from it....
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Post by outwoodgas on Sept 27, 2020 9:43:52 GMT
We played five at the back against Sunderland and Ipswich and it didn't look too bad, so it was odd to switch to four at the back yesterday. Was this an experiment, or simply ill-judged Garnerball management? If the former then Garner should write off Harries and Leahy from a back four, and never put Kilgour at right-back again.
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Post by 1883 on Sept 27, 2020 12:06:48 GMT
We played five at the back against Sunderland and Ipswich and it didn't look too bad, so it was odd to switch to four at the back yesterday. We didn’t have a fit RB or RWB - Hare, Little & Rodman were all missing - so I’m guessing BG thought Kilgour could adapt to RB more easily than anyone else in the squad could adapt to RWB. |
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Post by emperorsuperbus on Sept 27, 2020 15:13:49 GMT
We played five at the back against Sunderland and Ipswich and it didn't look too bad, so it was odd to switch to four at the back yesterday. We didn’t have a fit RB or RWB - Hare, Little & Rodman were all missing - so I’m guessing BG thought Kilgour could adapt to RB more easily than anyone else in the squad could adapt to RWB. alternatively 3 fit leftbacks. 1 could have adapted more easily to rb than anyone else in the squad. Quite possibly Garner is too frit to bench killer or harries. In theory the captain needs to cut out the errors and play well too whilst settling to new club, or get benched as well, but who seriously sees that happening no matter how long he continues to play poorly? |
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Post by CabbagePatchBlues on Sept 27, 2020 15:22:09 GMT
It's Fantasy Football. Simples. We've all done it, some of us continue to. Only one I can think of should be banned from it.... I only play real games😎 |
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Post by knowall on Sept 27, 2020 15:23:13 GMT
This is my take. From what I discern of Garner Ball, i don’t think it’s intended to be artisan possession football, leaving opponents chasing shadows. it’s a pressing game with emphasis on press more than shape, similarly looks to move the ball quickly and attack quickly from the position you get the ball in, from a fluid shape rather than trying to set into a particular shape. I like the high tempo they are trying to do their work in, moving the ball quickly. But rather than high possession stats, I think Garner Ball is more of a press the ball, turn it over, counter attack style. If we can get better and better and quite effective at this, I kinda like it. The risk elements of pressing or counter attacking quickly without shape, you can have players out of position leaving the back line in trouble. How do players, particularly full backs and midfielders Mark effectively if their emphasis is pressing and counter attacking instead. In other words personnel. Did we not moan last season when Ollie, Ogg, and Upson were all in the team, and we lacked a bit of passing flair? This is the flip of that coin. And high urgency game means getting tired, especially if not match fit. Think of the high in artistry but rather tubby by today’s standards Liverpool team getting turn round 4.3 by the lean and fit Palace side in that cup semi. No room for any barrels strolling around in Garner Ball I think. and they said 'football is a simple game' - perhaps you didn't read the book? |
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Post by 1883 on Sept 27, 2020 15:25:47 GMT
We didn’t have a fit RB or RWB - Hare, Little & Rodman were all missing - so I’m guessing BG thought Kilgour could adapt to RB more easily than anyone else in the squad could adapt to RWB. alternatively 3 fit leftbacks. 1 could have adapted more easily to rb than anyone else in the squad. Quite possibly Garner is too frit to bench killer or harries. In theory the captain needs to cut out the errors and play well too whilst settling to new club, or get benched as well, but who seriously sees that happening no matter how long he continues to play poorly? Kelly wasn’t fit & not in the squad, Leahy can barely play LB let alone RB, and Tutonda has (presumably) never played there in his career. At least Kilgour played RB a few times under Garner last season. (Not saying it worked btw, but I get the thinking behind him trying it yesterday) |
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Sept 27, 2020 16:22:27 GMT
It's Fantasy Football. Simples. We've all done it, some of us continue to. Only one I can think of should be banned from it.... I only play real games😎 Haha!! Like, chess, maybe? Try starting the game without a castle on your right and then wonder why mostly unmarked pawns come in from that area? Oh, and then post match deflect blame the umpire decisions.. Or your missed opportunities.. Or the journey.. Or the pieces themselves!? |
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