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Post by Feeling The Blues on Aug 12, 2014 21:15:30 GMT
1. Appalling first half, no shape and sloppy defending gifted them both goals.
2. Second half we got better as the game wore on but still didn't look like we would score even though we had the chances to do so.
3. This is the worst team we have ever seen in the quarters, not the laziest but probably the worst technically and there is little movement when on the ball.
4. Lee brown had a good game . Gosling was poor Mansell got caught dozing more than once, Monkhouse still unimpressive.
5. Saw Barry Bradshaw on way out told him we need to buy some quality players fast. We have a team that our budget probably deserves, jury out on whether Ckark is making the most of what he has.
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Post by matealotblue on Aug 12, 2014 21:31:21 GMT
1. Appalling first half, no shape and sloppy defending gifted them both goals. 2. Second half we got better as the game wore on but still didn't look like we would score even though we had the chances to do so. 3. This is the worst team we have ever seen in the quarters, not the laziest but probably the worst technically and there is little movement when on the ball. 4. Lee brown had a good game . Gosling was poor Mansell got caught dozing more than once, Monkhoise still unimpressive. 5. Saw Narry Bradshaw on way out told him we need to buy some quality players fast. We have a team that our budget probably deserves, jury out on whether Ckark is making the most of what he has. What was his response to number 5 above?
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Post by therealist on Aug 12, 2014 21:35:48 GMT
1. Appalling first half, no shape and sloppy defending gifted them both goals. 2. Second half we got better as the game wore on but still didn't look like we would score even though we had the chances to do so. 3. This is the worst team we have ever seen in the quarters, not the laziest but probably the worst technically and there is little movement when on the ball. 4. Lee brown had a good game . Gosling was poor Mansell got caught dozing more than once, Monkhoise still unimpressive. 5. Saw Narry Bradshaw on way out told him we need to buy some quality players fast. We have a team that our budget probably deserves, jury out on whether Ckark is making the most of what he has. What was his response to number 5 above?
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Post by billyocean on Aug 12, 2014 21:46:16 GMT
"3. This is the worst team we have ever seen in the quarters"
Don't get to see them nearly as much as I'd like but have to agree after watching that tonight. Particularly the first half.
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Post by Alveston Gas on Aug 12, 2014 21:49:14 GMT
Our budget will be top 6 - the team will not be unless it changes quite dramatically!
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Post by gassyboy on Aug 12, 2014 21:54:18 GMT
Just got home (west London). After fifty years following Rovers that was one of the worst first 45 minutes I have ever experienced. Having said that the second half was a huge improvement. Pride just about saved. What is the problem? I have no idea! Certainly hoofing high balls at small strikers with their backs to goal won't work. Same problem as last season even if different players. MOM probably Lee Brown. Mac looked way off the pace. Parkes definitely helped improve things when he came on.
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Post by Westcountry Gas on Aug 12, 2014 22:26:30 GMT
Our budget will be top 6 - the team will not be unless it changes quite dramatically! Top 6 budget for existing players, no way a top 6 budget for new players.
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Post by abergas on Aug 12, 2014 22:33:01 GMT
We were absolutely battered in the first half. Beaten up to within an inch of our lives and we seemed unable to do anything but hit the ball as far as we could in the air before setting ourselves up ready to get pummelled again. It was painful to watch and something that I never want to witness again. Second half a lot more positive. Clarke got us playing the ball along the back line and passing it out of defence rather than the panicky clearances of that horrid first half. Mansell in particular started to take more risks and we caused them problems. Parkes and Leadbitter sured up the back four with additional pace, which reduced Akinde to a bumbling striker rather than the world beater he was in the first half. Our build up play though was still to slow. We over relied upon Brown, who just like last season became our main attacking outlet without the pace or trickery to cause the opposition much fear. It's time to get the cheque book out. A speedy winger and a big ugly striker to alternate with Brunt is a must. Another central midfielder would be nice too.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2014 22:36:20 GMT
Our budget will be top 6 - the team will not be unless it changes quite dramatically! Top 6 budget for existing players, no way a top 6 budget for new players. Exactly,not many teams in this division have a few players on £2,500-3,000 a week. Its a bloody joke when the players recruited by Clarke are on £700+.
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Post by StokeLaneGas on Aug 13, 2014 0:25:15 GMT
Not long got back myself after enduring that. Wow, where do I start?! There is so much similar to say about what I witnessed tonight in relation to previous Rovers teams it's almost beyond belief. How do we completely reshape a team, yet still find ourselves lacking width, pumping the ball long from the back, lacking pace all over the pitch, 2nd to every loose ball, players waiting for others to react and not taking responsibility. The worse thing for me is I would genuinely consider myself and optimist and always looking to be positive about the team. The First half was laughable, if you didn't laugh you'd cry! 2nd half was improvement but it really couldn't get much worse. McCrystal just doesn't do it for me at all IMO our worst centre back, biggest culprit for us playing long all the time. I could go on and on but it's depressing me already and we are only 2 games in.
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Post by PeterHooper57 on Aug 13, 2014 1:07:05 GMT
Our budget will be top 6 - the team will not be unless it changes quite dramatically! Yes, from what I saw tonight our team is bottom 4. UTG
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2014 1:15:26 GMT
the 1st half was a shocker with barnet beating us up and outplaying us,trotman had a nightmare debut and because our team was so rattled we simply didnt get the ball down and play but whacked it up to our small strikers instead which was never going to be a problem for them. the 2nd half was much better with players getting on the ball and playing some good stuff and were unlucky not to pull a goal back at least. barnet look a powerfull physical side and based on this match will be in with a shout this season. the 2nd half of the game makes me think we still can have a good season,,,,brown,parkes,monkhouse,mansell,brunt,sinclair and taylor all gave strong 2nd half performances though of course the damage was done in the 1st 45 mins
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Post by Curly Wurly on Aug 13, 2014 1:56:15 GMT
1. Appalling first half, no shape and sloppy defending gifted them both goals. 2. Second half we got better as the game wore on but still didn't look like we would score even though we had the chances to do so. 3. This is the worst team we have ever seen in the quarters, not the laziest but probably the worst technically and there is little movement when on the ball. 4. Lee brown had a good game . Gosling was poor Mansell got caught dozing more than once, Monkhouse still unimpressive. 5. Saw Barry Bradshaw on way out told him we need to buy some quality players fast. We have a team that our budget probably deserves, jury out on whether Ckark is making the most of what he has. Just got back myself (2am) and vowed not to go to another away game until things pick up (well apart from Forest Green because I've already got a ticket). My take on the game from the above: 1. Agree terrible first half, tactically inept in my view. With White and Taylor leading a line, against 2 mobile 6'3" defenders, we played about 20-25 long punts straight up the middle. Every single one came back with interest. I accept that Puddy was thrown in at the last minute, but he and McCrystal were the worst offenders for this non sensical approach. Pre-season, we have been playing these balls to the wing (either deep or across the back), but we didn't play any balls wide to advanced positions - which was a big mistake in my view. Also need to say that Puddy was at fault for both goals - 1st one was an Akinde nutmeg, 2nd came from him parrying a shot, which looked to be going wide from my view, straight to the feet of the oncoming forward. However, we were also weak in the back line (McCrystal in particular lookig slow, nervous and error prone). Defending from the midfield in front of the defence was also pretty poor. We made Barnet in general and Akinde in prticular look good. 2. Second half picked up, particularly once Brunt came on. It does not make sense to me why he didn't start and he troubled their defenders much more - without really troubling their keeper (who looked comfortable all night). I have to say, Jamie White is disappointing so far, he had two chances and put both over the bar, but otherwise was pretty anonymous. We also improved with Parkes coming on at half time (although he made the odd mistake himself). What I couldn't understand was i) why Trottman was substituted and not McCrystal. Trottman performed OK, but McC continued to be edgy in 2nd half. Also (in my view) Gosling posed more of a threat than White and it should have been White off for Brunt and not Gosling. 3. I've seen far worse teams than this for Rovers, there is more energy than in many, but as stated, we still lack the cutting edge. Similarly, I think there is technical ability in many, but some glaring exceptions. I do worry about DC's tendency to chop and change (players, tactics, formation). I accept that you don't want to be predictable, but I sense he tinkers too much. I personally think we would have been better adopting the 3-5-2 that has given us width so far. 4. Agree that Lee Brown looked good and made a number of good breaks as the game wore on. What he lacked was the support of others around him - we do lack a tricky winger to torment the right back and Lee Brown'w ability to beat the man and put in a cross or shot is not enough. Monkhouse was OK in my view, without being spectacular. Sinclair was busy, but had much less impact on the game than previously. Mansell got caught in posession or gave the ball away far too often and put us on the back foot many times. Tom Lockyer was solid until Akinde elbowed him and put him out of the game. Leadbitter was good defensively and his pace prevented another Akinde goal when he chased back and got a last ditch block in. Finally, Matt Taylor looked better as the game went on - 1st half, he was simply asked to do the impossible in winning an arial battle against defenders 6" taller than him. 5. If we are going to persist with direct football, we need a bully up front (like Akinde played tonight). This is not Ryan Brunt, but Brunt could work with such a player as could Matt Taylor. I would bench Jamie White and we need to work out how to use him if he is going to play. If we are going to play 4 at the back, I would suggest Leadbitter at RB, and put Tom Lockyer in front of the defence to shore up a vulnerable area. On the basis of tonights showing, Trottman and Parkes should be in in front of McCrystal. We need a tricky winger as well in my opinion - i.e. not kill two birds with one stone by getting a hybrid forward/ winger. Great support (in numbers) for a Tuesday night (just under 800 I think), but patience is wearing very thin. On the basis of the last couple of seasons. the quantity of support has absolutely no bearing on the team - so I'm not sure how much more I'll bother with a 400 mile round trip.
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Post by Curly Wurly on Aug 13, 2014 2:00:52 GMT
Two other things to say.
Barnet looked robust and very well organised. They were working to a plan and anyone thinking Martin Allen would not be for us should think again. This guy is organised and knows how to get a team to perform at this level and above.
The Ref was shocking and it seemed to me as though he thought he would teach the big team a lesson. Two handballs in the penalty area missed (one a very good shout) and he allowed Akinde far too much leeway (I am not sure how objective my view on the ref is, bearing in mind how angry I am).
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2014 2:14:52 GMT
Two other things to say. Barnet looked robust and very well organised. They were working to a plan and anyone thinking Martin Allen would not be for us should think again. This guy is organised and knows how to get a team to perform at this level and above. The Ref was shocking and it seemed to me as though he thought he would teach the big team a lesson. Two handballs in the penalty area missed (one a very good shout) and he allowed Akinde far too much leeway (I am not sure how objective my view on the ref is, bearing in mind how angry I am). i noticed the ref chatting in a friendly manner to the home team players coming out for the 2nd half,reference penalty shout i think he missed a push on jamie white in the area when he was shaping to score,,,akinde injured lockyear and leadbitter with flailing arms without even a word from the ref,very poor im afraid though we have been warned about conference refs
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Post by swissgas on Aug 13, 2014 2:45:11 GMT
Thanks for all the reports and particularly the detailed one by Curly Wurly.
These are invaluable for those of us who are far away from Bristol to get a better picture of what is actually happening at Rovers. I've been reading up the forum from the last couple of days and two themes which struck me are Nick Higgs absence from the Mem and a few comments from respected posters criticizing some of us for apparently being more interested in off field activities than the actual football team.
In response I'd like to say we are Bristol Rovers Football Club not Bristol Rovers Football Team and what happens to the club off the field has IMO an overriding bearing on what happens to the team on the field. Fans whom I very much respect have said they can't see a problem with Nick Higgs not being at the game on Saturday and possibly also not at the game tonight. I am all for compromise and finding common ground but on this issue I totally disagree with that viewpoint. I really do think in the circumstances we are in Nick should have been there and the reason for that is Darrell Clarke.
I've already posted that I think Darrell's coaching team is unbalanced and lacks maturity so IMO it's even more important that those to whom he reports give him all the support they can. Some fans are now criticizing Darrell for making radical changes to the team tonight but the same people would be applauding his masterstroke if we had won. What is needed is balance and a way of making sure the up's are kept under control and the downs are not allowed to deteriorate into depression. This is where the experience and maturity of Nick and the other Directors should be coming into play with an arm around the shoulder, visible support for the decisions he has made and a reassurance that they are there to help and guide Darrell.
Nick cannot afford to leave Darrell Clarke alone as he has done with the other managers. He needs to be with Darrell all the way to encourage him to reach properly considered decisions, to boost his confidence and to help him become a better manager. That visible support should demonstrate to fans that Nick is doing his best to give Darrell a fair chance of making it as a Rovers manager and inspire us to stick with him through the up's and downs.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2014 3:23:16 GMT
Thanks for all the reports and particularly the detailed one by Curly Wurly. These are invaluable for those of us who are far away from Bristol to get a better picture of what is actually happening at Rovers. I've been reading up the forum from the last couple of days and two themes which struck me are Nick Higgs absence from the Mem and a few comments from respected posters criticizing some of us for apparently being more interested in off field activities than the actual football team. In response I'd like to say we are Bristol Rovers Football Club not Bristol Rovers Football Team and what happens to the club off the field has IMO an overriding bearing on what happens to the team on the field. Fans whom I very much respect have said they can't see a problem with Nick Higgs not being at the game on Saturday and possibly also not at the game tonight. I am all for compromise and finding common ground but on this issue I totally disagree with that viewpoint. I really do think in the circumstances we are in Nick should have been there and the reason for that is Darrell Clarke. I've already posted that I think Darrell's coaching team is unbalanced and lacks maturity so IMO it's even more important that those to whom he reports give him all the support they can. Some fans are now criticizing Darrell for making radical changes to the team tonight but the same people would be applauding his masterstroke if we had won. What is needed is balance and a way of making sure the up's are kept under control and the downs are not allowed to deteriorate into depression. This is where the experience and maturity of Nick and the other Directors should be coming into play with an arm around the shoulder, visible support for the decisions he has made and a reassurance that they are there to help and guide Darrell. Nick cannot afford to leave Darrell Clarke alone as he has done with the other managers. He needs to be with Darrell all the way to encourage him to reach properly considered decisions, to boost his confidence and to help him become a better manager. That visible support should demonstrate to fans that Nick is doing his best to give Darrell a fair chance of making it as a Rovers manager and inspire us to stick with him through the up's and downs. Swiss Although I agree that what goes on in the boardroom ends up on the pitch, I am not sure that NH or any director would make any difference, there or not. I was there tonight and this was a repeat of last seasons game at D&R which was again early on and I thought e the club was in trouble. The thing is, its not like we are unlucky. Not as if the tactics are comorehensible and are likely to bear fruit if we persevere. Based upon tonight it appears we have some very average players supplemented by a couple of guys with Div2 experience at the end of their careers. Sound familiar.? I have no idea what the manager's tactical plan is, but whatever it is its not working, doesnt even hint that it might work, and we dont have the players to make a difference individually. I cannot imagine what plan the BoD approved when they appointed Clarke, because either he was unable to recruit the players to fulfill it, or there wasnt one.
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Post by Peter Parker on Aug 13, 2014 5:29:32 GMT
Seeing as Brunt has been out a year and played 80 mins on Saturday, i think it was fair to assume he was protected toningt. He is nowhere near match fitness and we dont want to run him into the ground to break down again
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Post by frenchgashead on Aug 13, 2014 5:56:08 GMT
Like Swiss I wasn't at the game so rely on all the excellent reports. The only slightly positive thing I can think of is that we've played two of the best teams in the Conference. But this makes Saturday's game the real key to know where we are. If we can't beat a newly promoted team then we really are in big trouble. Can't say I'm optimistic though.
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Post by littlestokegas on Aug 13, 2014 6:09:32 GMT
Totally demotivated, the team were not either last night. We are already 5 points off the playoffs and just hanging 1 point above relegation (Taunton Town. Weston Super Mare & Clevedon territory) , this was like Torquay last season, the guy (DC) is an amateur, I bet Stewie will be manager by the season's end, you saw it here first.
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