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Post by Global Gas on Dec 19, 2019 18:12:33 GMT
Well done lads. We've not got the cash to be wasting being fined because some live in the dark ages. Hope the offender's get banned for life.
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Post by eppinggas on Dec 19, 2019 19:41:01 GMT
I presume this in reference to the EFL Cup game against Brighton earlier in the season? Does chanting "we can see you holding hands" really constitute homophobic abuse? Serious question.
I was at the game on the Blackthorn Terrace and didn't hear anything worse than that. But I'm happy to stand corrected if that is not the case.
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Post by matealotblue on Dec 19, 2019 19:43:36 GMT
And only 4 months to investigate it....lightning quick eh?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2019 20:13:42 GMT
And only 4 months to investigate it....lightning quick eh? Probably spent that time trying to find a Brighton fan who was there and actually gave a flying frig about a bit of silly banter. Not that real abuse is acceptable, but if what's written above is all that was said then you could probably make an argument for fining every club at every League game as there's always someone shouting something a bit daft. |
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Post by syg on Dec 19, 2019 21:25:32 GMT
I'm not aware of any other club being fined against Brighton this season, we have some utter cretins following the club.
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Post by lostinspace on Dec 19, 2019 21:53:52 GMT
I'm not aware of any other club being fined against Brighton this season, we have some utter cretins following the club. One Blues supporter was fined £965 and banned from football grounds for three years after admitting hurling homophobic abuse during Chelsea's win over Brighton in December last year. Chelsea supporter 2018 , there are more if you wish to trawl the news columns , Maybe not the club, but it is being acted upon, sometimes for the slightest demeanour, |
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Post by CabbagePatchBlues on Dec 20, 2019 6:16:56 GMT
I presume this in reference to the EFL Cup game against Brighton earlier in the season? Does chanting "we can see you holding hands" really constitute homophobic abuse? Serious question. I was at the game on the Blackthorn Terrace and didn't hear anything worse than that. But I'm happy to stand corrected if that is not the case. What else could it possible imply? These idiots need to grow up. |
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Post by CabbagePatchBlues on Dec 20, 2019 7:16:07 GMT
"Fans" like this are beyond redemption and are too thick to understand how stupid they are, and when they get pulled up for it you'd think they were the victims. Junior school playground level. Sad really, but there must be a town somewhere they could all move to to escape the snowflake persecution, poor buggers.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Dec 20, 2019 7:18:04 GMT
It's strange how nothing can be of consequence to throw a bottle at a player on the pitch potentially causing harm, yet get fined extortionate amount for uttering words that cause offence!?
The world's gone mad!
Not condoning either, but come on!? Get real...
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Post by trymer on Dec 20, 2019 9:08:50 GMT
It's strange how nothing can be of consequence to throw a bottle at a player on the pitch potentially causing harm, yet get fined extortionate amount for uttering words that cause offence!? The world's gone mad! Not condoning either, but come on!? Get real... Tempora mutantur,nos et mutamur in illis. The World has not gone mad but it has changed,expressions that were common only a few years ago are best avoided now,I don't even say the word niggardly at work in case someone tries to twist things. We live in a multicultural,diverse society and we must use language that does not offend other people,in a way we have always done this,you might use certain language with a group of blokes that you wouldn't use with your Granny and her friends ? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2019 9:46:34 GMT
It's strange how nothing can be of consequence to throw a bottle at a player on the pitch potentially causing harm, yet get fined extortionate amount for uttering words that cause offence!? The world's gone mad! Not condoning either, but come on!? Get real... Tempora mutantur,nos et mutamur in illis. The World has not gone mad but it has changed,expressions that were common only a few years ago are best avoided now,I don't even say the word niggardly at work in case someone tries to twist things. We live in a multicultural,diverse society and we must use language that does not offend other people,in a way we have always done this,you might use certain language with a group of blokes that you wouldn't use with your Granny and her friends ? My Granny watched the Black & White Minstrel Show and thought nothing of it. |
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Post by emperorsuperbus on Dec 20, 2019 9:54:31 GMT
Tempora mutantur,nos et mutamur in illis. The World has not gone mad but it has changed,expressions that were common only a few years ago are best avoided now,I don't even say the word niggardly at work in case someone tries to twist things. We live in a multicultural,diverse society and we must use language that does not offend other people,in a way we have always done this,you might use certain language with a group of blokes that you wouldn't use with your Granny and her friends ? My Granny watched the Black & White Minstrel Show and thought nothing of it. came as a shock to me the Canadian prime minister is a white man. 😐 |
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Post by eppinggas on Dec 20, 2019 10:24:47 GMT
"Fans" like this are beyond redemption and are too thick to understand how stupid they are, and when they get pulled up for it you'd think they were the victims. Junior school playground level. Sad really, but there must be a town somewhere they could all move to to escape the snowflake persecution, poor buggers. My question was really about what exactly was the content of the alleged homophobic abuse. IF it is chants of "does your boyfriend know you're here" and "we can see you holding hands"... then I agree it's pretty puerile and not very adult, or funny. However it is also not exactly vitriolic abuse. I am not condoning homophobic abuse. But I think it's a very blurred line between low quality banter and abuse. I don't think (from what I ACTUALLY heard on the day) that we had crossed it. Calling for life-time bans and calling our own fans "utter cretins" and that they are "beyond redemption" is IMHO way over the top. Like I said - if anyone heard anything genuinely offensive, then that's a different case. I am happy to stand to be corrected. |
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Post by kingswood Polak on Dec 20, 2019 11:40:02 GMT
"Fans" like this are beyond redemption and are too thick to understand how stupid they are, and when they get pulled up for it you'd think they were the victims. Junior school playground level. Sad really, but there must be a town somewhere they could all move to to escape the snowflake persecution, poor buggers. My question was really about what exactly was the content of the alleged homophobic abuse. IF it is chants of "does your boyfriend know you're here" and "we can see you holding hands"... then I agree it's pretty puerile and not very adult, or funny. However it is also not exactly vitriolic abuse. I am not condoning homophobic abuse. But I think it's a very blurred line between low quality banter and abuse. I don't think (from what I ACTUALLY heard on the day) that we had crossed it. Calling for life-time bans and calling our own fans "utter cretins" and that they are "beyond redemption" is IMHO way over the top. Like I said - if anyone heard anything genuinely offensive, then that's a different case. I am happy to stand to be corrected. Primarily west terrace is the worst place for it. |
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Dec 20, 2019 14:38:01 GMT
It's strange how nothing can be of consequence to throw a bottle at a player on the pitch potentially causing harm, yet get fined extortionate amount for uttering words that cause offence!? The world's gone mad! Not condoning either, but come on!? Get real... Tempora mutantur,nos et mutamur in illis. The World has not gone mad but it has changed,expressions that were common only a few years ago are best avoided now,I don't even say the word niggardly at work in case someone tries to twist things. We live in a multicultural,diverse society and we must use language that does not offend other people,in a way we have always done this,you might use certain language with a group of blokes that you wouldn't use with your Granny and her friends ? I disagree with your premise: "we must use language that does not offend other people" Maybe I'm offended exactly by your language you've just used in your post? Where do we go now?! There should never be a shutting down of words of what you can or cannot say, unless there's incitement to violence. I think there was no intension to cause harm by singing a song, but there was definite intension to cause harm by throwing a projectile towards one of our defenceless players......the world has gone mad if this is the correct action of relative punishment. |
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Post by trymer on Dec 20, 2019 15:25:14 GMT
Tempora mutantur,nos et mutamur in illis. The World has not gone mad but it has changed,expressions that were common only a few years ago are best avoided now,I don't even say the word niggardly at work in case someone tries to twist things. We live in a multicultural,diverse society and we must use language that does not offend other people,in a way we have always done this,you might use certain language with a group of blokes that you wouldn't use with your Granny and her friends ? My Granny watched the Black & White Minstrel Show and thought nothing of it. I don't know why that's relevant as I don't remember the B&W Minstrel show being known for offensive or insulting language. |
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Post by trymer on Dec 20, 2019 15:31:33 GMT
Tempora mutantur,nos et mutamur in illis. The World has not gone mad but it has changed,expressions that were common only a few years ago are best avoided now,I don't even say the word niggardly at work in case someone tries to twist things. We live in a multicultural,diverse society and we must use language that does not offend other people,in a way we have always done this,you might use certain language with a group of blokes that you wouldn't use with your Granny and her friends ? I disagree with your premise: "we must use language that does not offend other people" Maybe I'm offended exactly by your language you've just used in your post? Where do we go now?! There should never be a shutting down of words of what you can or cannot say, unless there's incitement to violence. I think there was no intension to cause harm by singing a song, but there was definite intension to cause harm by throwing a projectile towards one of our defenceless players......the world has gone mad if this is the correct action of relative punishment. You may be offended by any language but could my language in that post get me prosecuted under Section 5 of the Public order act ? no it couldn't but the chanting that has been mentioned certainly could get the people responsible prosecuted. As I said before would you use the same language to your Granny and her friends as you would use when amongst a group of blokes ? of course you wouldn't as Granny and co would be offended,so language must be controlled in wider society so that groups of people do not feel offended. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2019 17:49:19 GMT
My Granny watched the Black & White Minstrel Show and thought nothing of it. I don't know why that's relevant as I don't remember the B&W Minstrel show being known for offensive or insulting language. It's relevant because it always seemed very strange to me that white people would use make up to produce an insulting parody of Afro-Caribbean features and present that as entertainment. That relates to your previous post. |
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Dec 21, 2019 10:49:23 GMT
I disagree with your premise: "we must use language that does not offend other people" Maybe I'm offended exactly by your language you've just used in your post? Where do we go now?! There should never be a shutting down of words of what you can or cannot say, unless there's incitement to violence. I think there was no intension to cause harm by singing a song, but there was definite intension to cause harm by throwing a projectile towards one of our defenceless players......the world has gone mad if this is the correct action of relative punishment. You may be offended by any language but could my language in that post get me prosecuted under Section 5 of the Public order act ? no it couldn't but the chanting that has been mentioned certainly could get the people responsible prosecuted. As I said before would you use the same language to your Granny and her friends as you would use when amongst a group of blokes ? of course you wouldn't as Granny and co would be offended,so language must be controlled in wider society so that groups of people do not feel offended. Really? I mean, honestly? Is the song 'we can see you holding hands' or 'are you here with your boyfriend?' really threatened or abusive? (Section 5). Has anyone in singular or plural really been hurt? Really? Anyone sought counselling or attempted suicide directly because of a song!? If want to be an @rse about it, those songs can be applied to heterosexuality too. It's just virtue signalling and a crazy world we live in. The my granny scenario is interesting.....I would say through education, reasoned thought, evidence based arguements we have slowly moved to a place where some things are socially unacceptable to say in public. And that's fair enough. This process hasn't been accrued because of prohibition. Prohibition rarely works. Which goes back to my original post. Freedom of speech. On a side note, section 3 is far more serious and has been totally ignored.....TN was almost hit by a projectile that was thrown with intention of causing harm.....affray....I would argue that £7.5k is preposterous compared to the video evidence of last week's incident. But that's just me. Obviously more mad than the mad world we live in. |
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Post by kingswood Polak on Dec 21, 2019 10:59:51 GMT
You may be offended by any language but could my language in that post get me prosecuted under Section 5 of the Public order act ? no it couldn't but the chanting that has been mentioned certainly could get the people responsible prosecuted. As I said before would you use the same language to your Granny and her friends as you would use when amongst a group of blokes ? of course you wouldn't as Granny and co would be offended,so language must be controlled in wider society so that groups of people do not feel offended. Really? I mean, honestly? Is the song 'we can see you holding hands' or 'are you here with your boyfriend?' really threatened or abusive? (Section 5). Has anyone in singular or plural really been hurt? Really? Anyone sought counselling or attempted suicide directly because of a song!? If want to be an @rse about it, those songs can be applied to heterosexuality too. It's just virtue signalling and a crazy world we live in. The my granny scenario is interesting.....I would say through education, reasoned thought, evidence based arguements we have slowly moved to a place where some things are socially unacceptable to say in public. And that's fair enough. This process hasn't been accrued because of prohibition. Prohibition rarely works. Which goes back to my original post. Freedom of speech. On a side note, section 3 is far more serious and has been totally ignored.....TN was almost hit by a projectile that was thrown with intention of causing harm.....affray....I would argue that £7.5k is preposterous compared to the video evidence of last week's incident. But that's just me. Obviously more mad than the mad world we live in. You make good points and the my granny thing brought up a lot, even though I only ever had one and she was in Poland but both parents would often have to be told, by me, not to say things. One of those was if they saw a cute black child, they would both say aw, look at the lovely little golliwog, seriously it used to be very hard work & only luck that the parents never heard. Polish folk are, largely, racist though & I sometimes cringe when I hear what is said, luckily though; mostly in Polish. I have approached several and told them that they should not think everyone doesn’t understand as there are many, like me, born here and speak several languages. Dad will always be my role model but that part wasn’t nice and I won’t go into the Jewish & Ukrainians. |
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