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Post by toteend3 on Nov 22, 2019 22:28:33 GMT
JCH our talisman striker has come out to state publicly his respect for TN not only for being a good mate but also what he brings to the team.
I have to say i am not completely convinced and been very critical of TN, after all three goals in around ninety games is nothing short of pathetic. I have also suggested that a Totem Pole positioned in the penalty area as a replacement for TN with possible ricochets would likely result in more than three goals.
However JCH is one of the best strikers this club has ever had (and we had a lot of good ones) he has been a breath of fresh air to the team since GC's master stroke in bringing him to the club. From what ive seen and heard from JCH he strikes me as a throughly decent honourable fella.
If JCH can get back to full fitness, goes nowhere in January, then we have the best chance of Championship football for a very long time.
If JCH considers that TN is worth his place in the side, then who am i to argue with him. I therefore give my full support to TN and see where it takes us.
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Post by DCR on Nov 22, 2019 22:54:21 GMT
If we keep Jonson we have a good chance of doing well this season I think a good centre midfielder is more of a need than a striker. If jonson goes we are in desperate trouble with Nichols & 2 young loanees. I don't like Coughlin and his style of football, but Coughlin or Widdrington have brought in some good players this year and a good centre midfielder with PACE would make a vast difference to this side
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Post by dido on Nov 22, 2019 23:33:50 GMT
Who is this Coughlin you speak of?
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Post by mangogas15 on Nov 23, 2019 9:27:21 GMT
JCH our talisman striker has come out to state publicly his respect for TN not only for being a good mate but also what he brings to the team. I have to say i am not completely convinced and been very critical of TN, after all three goals in around ninety games is nothing short of pathetic. I have also suggested that a Totem Pole positioned in the penalty area as a replacement for TN with possible ricochets would likely result in more than three goals. However JCH is one of the best strikers this club has ever had (and we had a lot of good ones) he has been a breath of fresh air to the team since GC's master stroke in bringing him to the club. From what ive seen and heard from JCH he strikes me as a throughly decent honourable fella. If JCH can get back to full fitness, goes nowhere in January, then we have the best chance of Championship football for a very long time. If JCH considers that TN is worth his place in the side, then who am i to argue with him. I therefore give my full support to TN and see where it takes us. UTG If JCH works better with Nichols out of the 3 then that should dictate the decision. JCH scores 15 more this season alongside Nichols and 10 alongside the others then its a no brainer and I think this is where the partnership works. Nichols can pick a short pass in the final third and that's his greatest strength. Also he does work hard and run in to areas even to take away defenders from JCH. JCH is saying he's potentially the best of a bad lot, but if they can get a run of games playing together we get more out of JCH at least. If not goals from Nichols.
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Post by Rex on Nov 23, 2019 10:45:20 GMT
What to do? Support him while he is playing for us is my opinion. To be fair to many Rovers fans they have done exactly this, but there are obviously a fair few who express their low opinion of him at matches, which is totally counter productive.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2019 20:39:04 GMT
A striker that couldn’t strike a match and frankly JCH can say what he likes but my opinion will not be swayed nor will it be bullied out of me, Nichols is an absolute disgrace and pathetic fraud. Worse than that he is causing gas supporters to turn on each other depending on the differences of opinion which seem to range from total s**te to the next person to change water into wine. On the matter of alcohol the recent antics on a certain social media platform were quite startling to say the least, perhaps internal discipline may explain today’s omission from the squad. Enough said, what a cracking result this afternoon, well done to Graham and the team.
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Post by Rex on Nov 24, 2019 9:27:40 GMT
A striker that couldn’t strike a match and frankly JCH can say what he likes but my opinion will not be swayed nor will it be bullied out of me, Nichols is an absolute disgrace and pathetic fraud. Worse than that he is causing gas supporters to turn on each other depending on the differences of opinion which seem to range from total s***e to the next person to change water into wine. On the matter of alcohol the recent antics on a certain social media platform were quite startling to say the least, perhaps internal discipline may explain today’s omission from the squad. Enough said, what a cracking result this afternoon, well done to Graham and the team. I really, really don't understand why anyone would say this of a Rovers player. I get why people don't think he should be playing , but 'disgrace and pathetic fraud' is way over the top. If you think he's a bad player, fair enough, but there is no need to resort to personal abuse.
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Post by trymer on Nov 24, 2019 9:52:27 GMT
I would rather see the abuse stay on the internet than hear it at the match. Some Rovers supporters have always abused strikers,I remember Steve White and Graham Withey getting terrible abuse,I think that Robin Stubbs did too ? but they all scored goals as did Matty Taylor who was often abused. I don't shout abuse at Rovers players but Blissett nearly made me break that rule.
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Post by Rex on Nov 24, 2019 10:18:53 GMT
I would rather see the abuse stay on the internet than hear it at the match. Some Rovers supporters have always abused strikers,I remember Steve White and Graham Withey getting terrible abuse,I think that Robin Stubbs did too ? but they all scored goals as did Matty Taylor who was often abused. I don't shout abuse at Rovers players but Blissett nearly made me break that rule. Neil Slatter used to get dog's abuse from the north enclosure as well. If you can't say something one to one to someone's face, then to do it online or from the safety of a large group, I think is pretty cowardly.
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Post by trymer on Nov 24, 2019 11:04:24 GMT
I would rather see the abuse stay on the internet than hear it at the match. Some Rovers supporters have always abused strikers,I remember Steve White and Graham Withey getting terrible abuse,I think that Robin Stubbs did too ? but they all scored goals as did Matty Taylor who was often abused. I don't shout abuse at Rovers players but Blissett nearly made me break that rule. Neil Slatter used to get dog's abuse from the north enclosure as well. If you can't say something one to one to someone's face, then to do it online or from the safety of a large group, I think is pretty cowardly. Yes the abuse that I remember White and Withey getting was from the North enclosure too,it was part of the ground that I only went in once or twice. People in crowds do behave differently to how they would behave as an individual,crowds at football matches seem to vent their anger. I have seen some very nasty incidents and when you say cowardly I think that shouting abuse comes very low down the cowardly behaviour richter scale compared to kicking someone who has been put down by someone else or leaning through a group and stabbing someone on the floor. The internet is an interesting one,I only said that I would rather see the abuse online as I don't think it helps the team performance if a player is abused at a match, I try to say online only what I would say elsewhere,possibly why I have a rather misshapen nose!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2019 11:48:04 GMT
I would rather see the abuse stay on the internet than hear it at the match. Some Rovers supporters have always abused strikers,I remember Steve White and Graham Withey getting terrible abuse,I think that Robin Stubbs did too ? but they all scored goals as did Matty Taylor who was often abused. I don't shout abuse at Rovers players but Blissett nearly made me break that rule. Neil Slatter used to get dog's abuse from the north enclosure as well. If you can't say something one to one to someone's face, then to do it online or from the safety of a large group, I think is pretty cowardly. More than happy to ask Nichols to explain why, on multiple occasions, I've seen him literally stood still watching opposition players whilst a team mate from further away has to run past him to make a challenge. Yes, at times his behaviour as a professional sportsman is pathetic, yes, that does make him look like a fraud. More than willing to say so to his face.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Nov 24, 2019 12:12:59 GMT
A striker that couldn’t strike a match and frankly JCH can say what he likes but my opinion will not be swayed nor will it be bullied out of me, Nichols is an absolute disgrace and pathetic fraud. Worse than that he is causing gas supporters to turn on each other depending on the differences of opinion which seem to range from total s***e to the next person to change water into wine. On the matter of alcohol the recent antics on a certain social media platform were quite startling to say the least, perhaps internal discipline may explain today’s omission from the squad. Enough said, what a cracking result this afternoon, well done to Graham and the team. I really, really don't understand why anyone would say this of a Rovers player. I get why people don't think he should be playing , but 'disgrace and pathetic fraud' is way over the top. If you think he's a bad player, fair enough, but there is no need to resort to personal abuse. Well said and I agree, wholeheartedly with you. Our supporters have been turning on each other since NH got Buckle in and we only really united when we were out if the league and with the 2 promotions. TN is not the reason for this but his performances, or lack of, have just become one part in the bigger picture. Yes, he has not been the player we had hoped but we really shouldn’t be giving out abuse to one player as it just spoils any atmosphere that has been sorely lacking, at home games.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Nov 24, 2019 12:20:37 GMT
I would rather see the abuse stay on the internet than hear it at the match. Some Rovers supporters have always abused strikers,I remember Steve White and Graham Withey getting terrible abuse,I think that Robin Stubbs did too ? but they all scored goals as did Matty Taylor who was often abused. I don't shout abuse at Rovers players but Blissett nearly made me break that rule. Neil Slatter used to get dog's abuse from the north enclosure as well. If you can't say something one to one to someone's face, then to do it online or from the safety of a large group, I think is pretty cowardly. In fairness to trymer I think he is basically saying it better done here than at games, at least that’s how I read it. I’ve had to watch, from the east terrace because I messed up on tickets and the abuse from there, to both manager and players was nothing short of toxic. I was probably a bit too young to remember any abuse at Eastville so am surprised at the stories of abuse but I’ve long realised that it’s very easy to get nostalgic over our real home. I only have good memories of it yet the stats don’t lie. We were in bad shape in our last years there
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Post by trymer on Nov 24, 2019 14:12:45 GMT
Neil Slatter used to get dog's abuse from the north enclosure as well. If you can't say something one to one to someone's face, then to do it online or from the safety of a large group, I think is pretty cowardly. In fairness to trymer I think he is basically saying it better done here than at games, at least that’s how I read it. I’ve had to watch, from the east terrace because I messed up on tickets and the abuse from there, to both manager and players was nothing short of toxic. I was probably a bit too young to remember any abuse at Eastville so am surprised at the stories of abuse but I’ve long realised that it’s very easy to get nostalgic over our real home. I only have good memories of it yet the stats don’t lie. We were in bad shape in our last years there Yes that's exactly what I meant KP and when I said internet I probably should have said forum, I certainly don't think that people should go on players Twitter etc and abuse them or their relatives as Coughlans daughter was abused. There was abuse of players at Eastville and I remember coming back from Fulham on a football special a player was punched.
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Post by Rex on Nov 24, 2019 14:39:25 GMT
In fairness to trymer I think he is basically saying it better done here than at games, at least that’s how I read it. I’ve had to watch, from the east terrace because I messed up on tickets and the abuse from there, to both manager and players was nothing short of toxic. I was probably a bit too young to remember any abuse at Eastville so am surprised at the stories of abuse but I’ve long realised that it’s very easy to get nostalgic over our real home. I only have good memories of it yet the stats don’t lie. We were in bad shape in our last years there Yes that's exactly what I meant KP and when I said internet I probably should have said forum, I certainly don't think that people should go on players Twitter etc and abuse them or their relatives as Coughlans daughter was abused. There was abuse of players at Eastville and I remember coming back from Fulham on a football special a player was punched. I thought you probably meant that anyway.
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Post by Rex on Nov 24, 2019 14:40:45 GMT
Neil Slatter used to get dog's abuse from the north enclosure as well. If you can't say something one to one to someone's face, then to do it online or from the safety of a large group, I think is pretty cowardly. More than happy to ask Nichols to explain why, on multiple occasions, I've seen him literally stood still watching opposition players whilst a team mate from further away has to run past him to make a challenge. Yes, at times his behaviour as a professional sportsman is pathetic, yes, that does make him look like a fraud. More than willing to say so to his face.Somehow I think that, even if you did get the chance, you wouldn't be quite as forthright as you like to think you might be.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2019 14:55:55 GMT
More than happy to ask Nichols to explain why, on multiple occasions, I've seen him literally stood still watching opposition players whilst a team mate from further away has to run past him to make a challenge. Yes, at times his behaviour as a professional sportsman is pathetic, yes, that does make him look like a fraud. More than willing to say so to his face.Somehow I think that, even if you did get the chance, you wouldn't be quite as forthright as you like to think you might be. Maybe 20 years ago I would have 'changed the message', but as time goes on, depending on the situation, I pretty much just say what's on my mind. I wouldn't embarrass him in front of other people, but yes, in a private conversation I would say exactly that.
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Post by dido on Nov 24, 2019 16:10:38 GMT
You really think that what YOU have got to say to a professional footballer about footballing performance would embarrass him? You have too low an opinion of yourself.
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Post by irishrover on Nov 24, 2019 17:38:34 GMT
A striker that couldn’t strike a match and frankly JCH can say what he likes but my opinion will not be swayed nor will it be bullied out of me, Nichols is an absolute disgrace and pathetic fraud. Worse than that he is causing gas supporters to turn on each other depending on the differences of opinion which seem to range from total s***e to the next person to change water into wine. On the matter of alcohol the recent antics on a certain social media platform were quite startling to say the least, perhaps internal discipline may explain today’s omission from the squad. Enough said, what a cracking result this afternoon, well done to Graham and the team. I really, really don't understand why anyone would say this of a Rovers player. I get why people don't think he should be playing , but 'disgrace and pathetic fraud' is way over the top. If you think he's a bad player, fair enough, but there is no need to resort to personal abuse. Yes - I don't get this either. Psychiatrists are missing a trick - they need to dispense with the chair and instead judge clients character on an amateur assessment of their capacity to play 90 minutes of teamsport...If people really do think you can read someone's soul from observing their performances on a football field from 50 feet away then they should be making millions or solving crises all around the world.
At least with Nichols I can understand people's reaction but this is everywhere now. Look at the ridiculous crap Lines got from some of our fans and he'd played 300 games - if you hate someone like that so much then why are you even bothering with it anymore? There seem a large subset of football fans who don't actually like footballers which seems to me like pissing on their own shoes. If you go on twitter (never advisable) it's amazing what you see - football fans laying into Ronaldo, Messi, Sterling, Salah, Bale, De Bryne etc. I swear this is a relatively new thing - this desire to judge players moral character based on absolutely no actual evidence of them having done anything genuinely bad.
I'm a football fan so I tend to think well towards footballers. I'm a Rovers fan so I tend to think particularly well towards Rovers players and ex-players, even the ones who are struggling or who failed with us. I didn't used to think that was a controversial but it now seems dangerously out of step with modern sentiments.
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Post by trymer on Nov 24, 2019 18:31:26 GMT
I really, really don't understand why anyone would say this of a Rovers player. I get why people don't think he should be playing , but 'disgrace and pathetic fraud' is way over the top. If you think he's a bad player, fair enough, but there is no need to resort to personal abuse. Yes - I don't get this either. Psychiatrists are missing a trick - they need to dispense with the chair and instead judge clients character on an amateur assessment of their capacity to play 90 minutes of teamsport...If people really do think you can read someone's soul from observing their performances on a football field from 50 feet away then they should be making millions or solving crises all around the world.
At least with Nichols I can understand people's reaction but this is everywhere now. Look at the ridiculous crap Lines got from some of our fans and he'd played 300 games - if you hate someone like that so much then why are you even bothering with it anymore? There seem a large subset of football fans who don't actually like footballers which seems to me like pissing on their own shoes. If you go on twitter (never advisable) it's amazing what you see - football fans laying into Ronaldo, Messi, Sterling, Salah, Bale, De Bryne etc. I swear this is a relatively new thing - this desire to judge players moral character based on absolutely no actual evidence of them having done anything genuinely bad.
I'm a football fan so I tend to think well towards footballers. I'm a Rovers fan so I tend to think particularly well towards Rovers players and ex-players, even the ones who are struggling or who failed with us. I didn't used to think that was a controversial but it now seems dangerously out of step with modern sentiments.
I think that with the Premiership players there is such a massive wage difference now that it winds some people up. I remember an interview with Geoff Hurst and he said that the day after England won the World cup he mowed the lawn and washed his Ford Anglia. People didn't begrudge footballers earning a bit more as it was a short career but now the wealth is massive and some people let it bother them,there is no connection between fans and players at that level. I only ever watch Rovers (and that's not as often as it was) and I never watch football or any other sport on TV it doesn't interest me,I go into work and the other blokes talk about players that I have never heard of and they watch loads of televised football but I am the only one who goes to live games but even then I dont feel a connection to the players like I did years ago.....of course that dosent mean that I hate them.
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