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Post by PeterHooper57 on Aug 9, 2014 18:52:08 GMT
What happens if it is turned down? Would it be an excuse to pull out? Will TRASH use this as an opportunity to submit evidence opposing the longer hours? Yes and Yes. The only way forward IMO is if Higgs can find somebody with money who wants to buy him out, if not, then we will be at the MEM for the long haul. UTG
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Post by onedaytheuwe on Aug 9, 2014 19:29:52 GMT
I must say this sounds very very strange so late in the day. The last date we were given was the end of September 2014 start ( mind you I have lost count of the so - called dates now). So we have two possible outcomes,
1) Everything has been agreed between all parties or within days. Sainsburys have agreed terms to the extent they are willing to release the money . NH will proclaim in a statement in the next week or so the following: " All agreed between parties work to start in the next 4 weeks or so ".
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2) Sainsburys are dragging their feet . They know it is a matter of compensation. Therefore: to make it look credible for possible legal fights. They can start making counter - arguments like " We got turned down on extended hours" " local objections" " War memorial " .
I think the UWE now are getting fed-up with land ready to be developed on and rightly want an answer. Therefore : I have come to the conclusion that if these matters are not resolved in the next two months . Then we all know the answer.
There in NO way it can be delayed for another year to 2017 opening - no way...
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Post by Topper Gas on Aug 9, 2014 19:41:24 GMT
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Post by Topper Gas on Aug 9, 2014 19:45:18 GMT
Bristol Rovers aren't involved in anything else being built...
...and so things are achieved.
The last/latest delay to UWE/Mem/Sains can only be because Rovers didn't prepare well enough or Rovers wanted the season's delay - no other reasons are applicable<br/>
How can Rovers build the UWE before Sainsbury's hand over the money??
I can't see Sainsbury's wasting more money on the Mem store pp unless they are still interested in building it.
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Post by onedaytheuwe on Aug 9, 2014 20:05:14 GMT
So what is the above actually saying Tooper Gas ??
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Post by lincolnfan on Aug 9, 2014 23:38:39 GMT
You have to hope that Sainsbury are able to pull some rank to get on the "fast track" of the National Planning Inspectorate who, fairly recently, were taking up to four months to "validate and register" an appeal and then up to a further 18 months to be in a position to announce a decision on the appeal. The subject of some criticism in Parliament last year. They blame staff cuts.
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Post by davehuddscousin on Aug 10, 2014 1:40:30 GMT
This all seems a bit fishy to me..... Tescos built their store at Golden Hill accepting the conditions on opening hours as per the planning permission, and then applied to vary them afterwards. Why can't Sainbury's do the same? Its much easier to get the hours varied once the place is built and trading. Looks suspiciously like they still want to build the store, but not yet. Difficult for Rovers as we can't build at UWE until Salisbury's cough up the dosh!
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Post by gas2 on Aug 10, 2014 8:28:59 GMT
cant remember how this came about but in brislington a few years ago a warehouse was built which was a members only shopping store like Costco but sainsburys owned the store but somehow got around the planning later down the line to have it converted into a normal supermarket
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2014 12:36:42 GMT
I raised this as an issue a couple of months ago as being a major reason Sainsburys would not proceed. Or they could go down the route Tesco took at Golden Hill,built the store and obeyed the original planning agreement,then a short time down the road started extending the hours and put the onus on the cash strapped council to enforce the PA which would go through the courts and could cost the council more money than they can afford.You usually find that once a supermarket is open the flout planning rules
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Post by Big Dave on Aug 11, 2014 0:09:16 GMT
Bristol Rovers aren't involved in anything else being built... ...and so things are achieved. The last/latest delay to UWE/Mem/Sains can only be because Rovers didn't prepare well enough or Rovers wanted the season's delay - no other reasons are applicable<br/> How can Rovers build the UWE before Sainsbury's hand over the money?? I can't see Sainsbury's wasting more money on the Mem store pp unless they are still interested in building it. Re-read my last statement, turn on your sarcasm-radar and you'll see what I'm saying... ...the last/latest delay to UWE/Mem/Sains can only be because Rovers didn't prepare well enough or Rovers wanted the season's delay...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2014 0:36:57 GMT
I raised this as an issue a couple of months ago as being a major reason Sainsburys would not proceed. Or they could go down the route Tesco took at Golden Hill,built the store and obeyed the original planning agreement,then a short time down the road started extending the hours and put the onus on the cash strapped council to enforce the PA which would go through the courts and could cost the council more money than they can afford.You usually find that once a supermarket is open the flout planning rules And the very best of luck to them. Carstairs and his mates may have something to say about that. Can you imagine, not only the legals, but then the effect on the health of people adjacent to the site and probably a dozen other things that most people wouldn't even consider. I know the planning for this type of project is an adversarial process, but it does seem that TRASH and Carstairs are particularly determined participants.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2014 7:42:18 GMT
As were the people opposing Golden Hill, but once built life goes on and the protesters move on to something else ....
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Post by Topper Gas on Aug 11, 2014 8:13:52 GMT
As were the people opposing Golden Hill, but once built life goes on and the protesters move on to something else .... It happened with a McDoanld's nea me. mass portests against it initally but little protest when they sought to extend the opening hours a year later, changing the delivery times etc seems far easier than getting pp, I assume that can't be referred for a JR etc!!
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Post by disenfranchised on Aug 11, 2014 8:25:12 GMT
Didn't Rovers use the same tactic when they wanted to get out of redeveloping the Blackthorn End after planning permission had been granted? Suddenly started blaming the Council for not allowing them to stay open until midnight.
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