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Post by billyocean on Aug 9, 2019 18:08:31 GMT
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harrybuckle
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Post by harrybuckle on Aug 9, 2019 18:40:06 GMT
Sounds promising ...UTG
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Post by dinsdale on Aug 9, 2019 19:00:03 GMT
Guess whose back ?? Tell a friend..... Slim Higgsy
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Post by emperorsuperbus on Aug 9, 2019 19:16:12 GMT
The serious take out is the Current owners don’t like the 65K loss each week, they can’t increase revenue to bring loss down, so they are not properly funding the coaching and playing budget for l1 football to reduce that 65k weekly loss. Until that changes we will need to punch above our wage bill next couple of seasons because double relegation has us rubbing shoulders with Yeovil
Starting in tomorrow’s 6 point relegation decider we need every point we can get. We need to be that twelfth man (woman, hermaphrodite etc) to try and keep us up
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2019 19:40:10 GMT
Guess whose back ?? Tell a friend..... Slim Higgsy He could cut those losses in half and still ensure relegation. Credible, yeah right. We are exactly where we were 6 months ago, a bunch or dreamers can't even work out that BCC are the key to developing that site and by the sounds of it they haven't got enough sense between them to dig out any of the traffic feasibility studies for the arena. If they did that they would be looking for a different site. But none of that will stop these owners taking their money, if they have any. The only thing that we've learned is that there was no news due last Oct. So that's progress, of a kind.
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Post by womble on Aug 9, 2019 19:47:47 GMT
Guess whose back ?? Tell a friend..... Slim Higgsy He could cut those losses in half and still ensure relegation. Credible, yeah right. We are exactly where we were 6 months ago, a bunch or dreamers can't even work out that BCC are the key to developing that site and by the sounds of it they haven't got enough sense between them to dig out any of the traffic feasibility studies for the arena. If they did that they would be looking for a different site. But none of that will stop these owners taking their money, if they have any. The only thing that we've learned is that there was no news due last Oct. So that's progress, of a kind. Not at all sure the arena site fails on traffic grounds. The Leeds Arena has no onsite parking, is close to the main train station and is the busiest arena in the country. The Bristol Arena had a couple of the world’s leading operators ready to run it - unlikely if they thought that transport was a major problem. Anyway back to football ...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2019 20:08:05 GMT
He could cut those losses in half and still ensure relegation. Credible, yeah right. We are exactly where we were 6 months ago, a bunch or dreamers can't even work out that BCC are the key to developing that site and by the sounds of it they haven't got enough sense between them to dig out any of the traffic feasibility studies for the arena. If they did that they would be looking for a different site. But none of that will stop these owners taking their money, if they have any. The only thing that we've learned is that there was no news due last Oct. So that's progress, of a kind. Not at all sure the arena site fails on traffic grounds. The Leeds Arena has no onsite parking, is close to the main train station and is the busiest arena in the country. The Bristol Arena had a couple of the world’s leading operators ready to run it - unlikely if they thought that transport was a major problem. Anyway back to football ... You do know where that site is don't you? Good luck getting 20,000 people in and out. Your next point isn't a point at all. There may well have been people ready to run an arena, subject to the thing being viable, which it wasn't on the proposed site. Pop down and take a look, the main thing that will strike you about the land is that it doesn't have a frigging great arena built on it.
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Post by womble on Aug 9, 2019 20:26:15 GMT
Not at all sure the arena site fails on traffic grounds. The Leeds Arena has no onsite parking, is close to the main train station and is the busiest arena in the country. The Bristol Arena had a couple of the world’s leading operators ready to run it - unlikely if they thought that transport was a major problem. Anyway back to football ... You do know where that site is don't you? Good luck getting 20,000 people in and out. Your next point isn't a point at all. There may well have been people ready to run an arena, subject to the thing being viable, which it wasn't on the proposed site. Pop down and take a look, the main thing that will strike you about the land is that it doesn't have a frigging great arena built on it. I know exactly where both the fruit market and the arena site are. The report produced for the mayor by KPMG in order to justify a decision he’d already made, did not at any point say it wasn’t viable. On the contrary it said it probably was viable, but that wasn’t the point of the report. It was an attempt to prove that you could make more money out of the site by putting something other than an arena on it. Covered in umpteen caveats, the report said that you might be able to make more money from the site with different uses, which is just what Marvin wanted to hear. The only reason there isn’t an arena on what is now called Temple Island is that Marvin had another plan. As for the fruit market site we’ll see.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2019 21:33:12 GMT
You do know where that site is don't you? Good luck getting 20,000 people in and out. Your next point isn't a point at all. There may well have been people ready to run an arena, subject to the thing being viable, which it wasn't on the proposed site. Pop down and take a look, the main thing that will strike you about the land is that it doesn't have a frigging great arena built on it. I know exactly where both the fruit market and the arena site are. The report produced for the mayor by KPMG in order to justify a decision he’d already made, did not at any point say it wasn’t viable. On the contrary it said it probably was viable, but that wasn’t the point of the report. It was an attempt to prove that you could make more money out of the site by putting something other than an arena on it. Covered in umpteen caveats, the report said that you might be able to make more money from the site with different uses, which is just what Marvin wanted to hear. The only reason there isn’t an arena on what is now called Temple Island is that Marvin had another plan. As for the fruit market site we’ll see. Geez, we have a full blown conspiracy theorist amongst us. OK, let's see the evidence that £12m spent clearing the site was written off on a whim and the documents were forged to justify a decision that you seem to disagree with? Anyway, here's the site now, so comfort yourself knowing that whatever plans Marvin has, they are still on the drawing board.
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Post by bondigas on Aug 9, 2019 21:47:27 GMT
Just read the BP on line and clicked into the Points West clip, the bloke has mislead all of us, the journos know the guys a charlatan, they are just being kind, wait until the dam bursts then he will be savaged. The carnival is over, say goodbye my false gashead, as we sing our gashead song, how my heart longs to see you go, now the carnival is over.High above the dawn is waiting and my tears are falling rain, for the carnival is over, thank f--k we will see you again.
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Post by lostinspace on Aug 9, 2019 22:06:22 GMT
I know exactly where both the fruit market and the arena site are. The report produced for the mayor by KPMG in order to justify a decision he’d already made, did not at any point say it wasn’t viable. On the contrary it said it probably was viable, but that wasn’t the point of the report. It was an attempt to prove that you could make more money out of the site by putting something other than an arena on it. Covered in umpteen caveats, the report said that you might be able to make more money from the site with different uses, which is just what Marvin wanted to hear. The only reason there isn’t an arena on what is now called Temple Island is that Marvin had another plan. As for the fruit market site we’ll see. Geez, we have a full blown conspiracy theorist amongst us. OK, let's see the evidence that £12m spent clearing the site was written off on a whim and the documents were forged to justify a decision that you seem to disagree with? Anyway, here's the site now, so comfort yourself knowing that whatever plans Marvin has, they are still on the drawing board. Marvellous marvin is like the proverbial bungalow, all action is downstairs........ nothing up top.... the guy is a disgrace to the city and its populous
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2019 22:49:49 GMT
Geez, we have a full blown conspiracy theorist amongst us. OK, let's see the evidence that £12m spent clearing the site was written off on a whim and the documents were forged to justify a decision that you seem to disagree with? Anyway, here's the site now, so comfort yourself knowing that whatever plans Marvin has, they are still on the drawing board. Marvellous marvin is like the proverbial bungalow, all action is downstairs........ nothing up top.... the guy is a disgrace to the city and its populous Give him some credit, George was a hard act to follow.
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Post by womble on Aug 9, 2019 22:50:38 GMT
I know exactly where both the fruit market and the arena site are. The report produced for the mayor by KPMG in order to justify a decision he’d already made, did not at any point say it wasn’t viable. On the contrary it said it probably was viable, but that wasn’t the point of the report. It was an attempt to prove that you could make more money out of the site by putting something other than an arena on it. Covered in umpteen caveats, the report said that you might be able to make more money from the site with different uses, which is just what Marvin wanted to hear. The only reason there isn’t an arena on what is now called Temple Island is that Marvin had another plan. As for the fruit market site we’ll see. Geez, we have a full blown conspiracy theorist amongst us. OK, let's see the evidence that £12m spent clearing the site was written off on a whim and the documents were forged to justify a decision that you seem to disagree with? Anyway, here's the site now, so comfort yourself knowing that whatever plans Marvin has, they are still on the drawing board. Everything I’ve said is a matter of public record. The Mayor is on record as saying the arena project was viable. The KPMG report says so as well (I’ve read it). The reason the arena wasn’t built is because the Mayor thinks there are better uses for the site, again something he has said in public many times. He believes that YTL will provide an arena at Filton allowing him to use the arena site for other things. The council is proposing to enter into an agreement with Legal & General for a mixed use development on the arena site (Marvin’s alternative plan). To guarantee L&G a return, BCC are proposing to enter into a 40 year lease on an L&G built office block, which BCC will have to sub-let or pay the rent themselves. I do not think this is a great idea. For what it’s worth Bamber, I don’t believe in conspiracy theories. All this is in the public domain and if you really have nothing better to do, can be found in the various council committee reports online. And yes, I need to get out more.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2019 2:17:09 GMT
Marvellous marvin is like the proverbial bungalow, all action is downstairs........ nothing up top.... the guy is a disgrace to the city and its populous Give him some credit, George was a hard act to follow. he makes redpants look good
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2019 10:20:03 GMT
Geez, we have a full blown conspiracy theorist amongst us. OK, let's see the evidence that £12m spent clearing the site was written off on a whim and the documents were forged to justify a decision that you seem to disagree with? Anyway, here's the site now, so comfort yourself knowing that whatever plans Marvin has, they are still on the drawing board. Everything I’ve said is a matter of public record. The Mayor is on record as saying the arena project was viable. The KPMG report says so as well (I’ve read it). The reason the arena wasn’t built is because the Mayor thinks there are better uses for the site, again something he has said in public many times. He believes that YTL will provide an arena at Filton allowing him to use the arena site for other things. The council is proposing to enter into an agreement with Legal & General for a mixed use development on the arena site (Marvin’s alternative plan). To guarantee L&G a return, BCC are proposing to enter into a 40 year lease on an L&G built office block, which BCC will have to sub-let or pay the rent themselves. I do not think this is a great idea. For what it’s worth Bamber, I don’t believe in conspiracy theories. All this is in the public domain and if you really have nothing better to do, can be found in the various council committee reports online. And yes, I need to get out more. I didn't agonise over either, but like you, took a look at the KPMG documents relating to both Temple Meads and Filton. The 2 things that struck me were the apparent lack of concern for environmental impact, and crucially, for Temple Meads, the difficulty in incorporating parking, that reduced income and made the site inaccessible for people traveling from out of town. When your own people write that in your own report you know the site is a non-starter. Of course, both locals and people traveling from further will want to use their own cars, it would have resulted in total gridlock for week-day evening events. Anyway, not directed at you, but I have a different question. Who could pay more for that fruit market site, someone wanting to build a stadium or someone wanting to continue the type of mixed development that's happening all around that area? My instinct is that the stadium would come in 2nd place.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2019 10:21:25 GMT
Give him some credit, George was a hard act to follow. he makes redpants look good I suspect that George will be back.
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kingswood Polak
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Post by kingswood Polak on Aug 10, 2019 10:28:10 GMT
Here we go again I really had hoped that Wael and his family had brought an end to this crap. If there are potential investors it’s about time they fronted up and brought forward their plans for us, the people that have spent decades choking on s***e, to be reassured as to their credentials. We are prime candidates to attract the attention of asset stripping arseholes of the ilk that destroyed Hereford United, those creeps and the only reason Hereford FC retained Edgar Street was that the council owned the asset and refused to sell the leases to the crooks having established they were trying to blag their way in. The Land the Mem stands on must be worth a tidy sum. in any event once again the club seems to be heading into another period of turmoil. Ali Durden did a report on this, on points west. He said that even though the people are experts in property and large scale developments, they understand that there is a significant amount of experts,in football. The current owners have been looking to sell for over a year losses reported at 250k per month but I thought he said PW.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Aug 10, 2019 10:36:14 GMT
Just read the BP on line and clicked into the Points West clip, the bloke has mislead all of us, the journos know the guys a charlatan, they are just being kind, wait until the dam bursts then he will be savaged. The carnival is over, say goodbye my false gashead, as we sing our gashead song, how my heart longs to see you go, now the carnival is over.High above the dawn is waiting and my tears are falling rain, for the carnival is over, thank f--k we will see you again. To clarify, I have never been anti WAQ but I think it was quickly obvious that he was not the decision maker. I imagine his brother and father are not happy bunnies
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Post by kingswood Polak on Aug 10, 2019 10:44:31 GMT
Guess whose back ?? Tell a friend..... Slim Higgsy I am only passing on what a golfing friend and someone who lives close by to him has said, he told me NH owns some of that site. Whether it’s BS or not, I have no idea
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Post by lostinspace on Aug 10, 2019 11:31:17 GMT
Guess whose back ?? Tell a friend..... Slim Higgsy I am only passing on what a golfing friend and someone who lives close by to him has said, he told me NH owns some of that site. Whether it’s BS or not, I have no idea more rumour and clap trap .... from a friend of a friend of another 6 friends,,, lets all wait to see exactly what happens before everyone has seen the stadium built after being told there are fences up hiding it in the apple sales row,,... but hey its forum
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