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Post by Igitur on May 6, 2019 5:57:35 GMT
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2019 9:27:10 GMT
"All fair enough, but he has had a bit of a downer on Ollie for some reason. Yesterday's performance was pretty good, not just the versatility, also, off the ball he bullied opposition players, he's done this in the past also but has had low marks because he's misplaced a few passes and we've lost the game due to mistakes made by other players. I think, based on what Steve says, he mostly watches the ball and doesn't see a lot of what happens elsewhere on the pitch. But plenty of people enjoy and value his reports, so great, no problem." Quoting Bamber. I did actually change my original mark from a 6 to a 7 for the very reason that Ollie yesterday gave his all and didn't go missing as he has on many occasions which has always been my main criticism of him. I can only report how I see the game,based on the way I like to see it played both on and off the ball. I prefer a technical footballer to a trier but appreciate you have to have a balance which is our problem in that the triers outnumber the technically gifted players. For me yesterday Ollie gave the ball away cheaply far more than any other player and all the "running off the ball" is lost if you give it away when you get it. For me we need to have one trier Ogogo in midfield and can play only Ollie or Upson if we do this and not both. We need another creative midfielder to enable us to do this and really he needs to have some pace because we totally lack pace in midfield. Because of the way I like football played I would go for Upson but can understand why others would go for Ollie Clarke. This is why I always say my reports can only be based on how I see the game. they are open to criticism and that is fair enough so I have no problem whatsoever with Bamber or anyone else disagreeing with them. in fact seeing the criticism enables me to look at a different angle whiuch surely is the point of a forum. UTG I think you are teasing now. To even suggest a 6 for Oillie's performance is a bit silly. You knew I wouldn't be able to leave that comment alone you little scamp. You did notice (that's rhetorical, I know you didn't, or you would have mentioned it, but you'll now claim that you did) that at the start of the 2nd half he was playing 2 positions, when we had the ball he stepped forward to the right side of a front 3, when we lost the ball he moved back to midfield. He covered some distance in that game. With them playing 4-4-1 he could do that as long as he didn't get sucked out wide and allow anybody from their midfield space to run through the middle. That's kind of technical, but doesn't involve juggling the ball or playing 40 yard passes, but it's just as enjoyable to watch when a player gets it right. But hey, let's moan because he struggles getting the weight on passes correct and he doesn't even try to disguise where he's about to pass the ball so too many get intercepted. Next time you think that Ollie has 'gone missing' we should have a little chat and discuss what's happened during the game and how the opposition have negated what he was trying to do. For 'gone missing' see Nichols.
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Post by laughinggas on May 6, 2019 9:46:38 GMT
How on earth can you go on about Clarke's misplaced passes, which there were, when Ogogo completion rate on passes was very poor, not sure he managed any over 5 yards.
We need a midfield that can press, block and pass. A bonus would be being able to drive with the ball. The good teams we have seen seem to press us off the ball, and break us with fast short passes. Not sure any have that "just a creative midfield' player.
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Post by stevek192 on May 6, 2019 9:56:51 GMT
I don't disagree with much of what you say there Bamber but many of GCs games Ollie Clarke has had to change his position during the game mainly due to the lack of width we have and of course he has always been looked upon as the defensive destroyer midfield type with Sercombe being the creative one. Due to loss of form Sercombe has mainly been poor and Ollie Clarke has totally out scored him in goals I feel that recently and in patches over the season Ollie has improved greatly but Saturday I felt that his use of the ball was probably a 4 and his general play (which includes off the ball) was an 8.5.Therefore a mark between 6 to 7. You mention off the ball as being important and I agree with you totally as I think it has been our biggest problem other than lack of creativity because so many times players are asleep when we are attacking and leave opponents in acres of space when the ball is lost. that's it Bamber, teasing you over for this season and tbone teasing me over too. UTG
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Post by TaiwanGas on May 6, 2019 11:12:55 GMT
Thanks very much for the match reports this season Steve, remarkable effort on your behalf in what has been a very poor season.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2019 15:32:49 GMT
I don't disagree with much of what you say there Bamber but many of GCs games Ollie Clarke has had to change his position during the game mainly due to the lack of width we have and of course he has always been looked upon as the defensive destroyer midfield type with Sercombe being the creative one. Due to loss of form Sercombe has mainly been poor and Ollie Clarke has totally out scored him in goals I feel that recently and in patches over the season Ollie has improved greatly but Saturday I felt that his use of the ball was probably a 4 and his general play (which includes off the ball) was an 8.5.Therefore a mark between 6 to 7. You mention off the ball as being important and I agree with you totally as I think it has been our biggest problem other than lack of creativity because so many times players are asleep when we are attacking and leave opponents in acres of space when the ball is lost. that's it Bamber, teasing you over for this season and tbone teasing me over too. UTG Again we disagree. Moving Ollie in this game was nothing to do with width, it was because of the man advantage and trying to push their midfield 4 back, but he also had to do his midfield duties, so he wasn't even moved as such, although we had an extra player, Ollie still did 2 jobs. I'm not sure he'll ever get that ability that Chris Lines has to be constantly scanning players' positions and to be able to trust his first touch so much that he can take another quick look up whilst the ball is on its way to him so that he can control and pass without having to firstly take the pace off of the ball, then look up again before passing, which allows the opposition time to not only close him down but also get set to intercept passes. Liam hasn't been scoring; A. Because he hasn't played. B. Because he's been played wide. When he's been used in his natural position he's looked useful, but with this manager there's been a big gap between midfield and our front 1, you could argue front 2, but Nichols sat down making daisy chains whilst the game goes on around him isn't much of a consideration. I wouldn't write Liam off, play him in his proper position and allow him to get forward and let's see what happens then. Where we probably can agree is lack of discipline when attacking, players around the opposition area lose concentration and we are a mess when facing quick breaks. I think this goes back to the previous manager and this thing of playing the ball around looking for gaps, we aren't frigging Barca, just work out what the opposition aren't so good at, there will be something, target it, get the ball near their goal and trust your strikers to do their job.
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Post by GasMacc1 on May 11, 2019 7:27:00 GMT
Due to loss of form Sercombe has mainly been poor and Ollie Clarke has totally out scored him in goals ... Liam hasn't been scoring; A. Because he hasn't played. B. Because he's been played wide. When he's been used in his natural position he's looked useful, but with this manager there's been a big gap between midfield and our front 1, you could argue front 2,... I wouldn't write Liam off, play him in his proper position and allow him to get forward and let's see what happens then. Whilst I can appreciate that Liam's form has suffered through being asked to play out wide, I don't see how that has stopped him scoring. Despite his starting position, in most matches he's normally had a least one very presentable opportunity to put the ball in the back of the net, usually from around 15-20 yards out and from a fairly central area. Having watched all home and fifteen away League games this season, I'm sure Liam's conversion rate has been a lot lower in 2018-19 than in previous seasons. He has had a huge number of scoring chances, but he's been missing them, managing only four goals. As to the reason...no idea!
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Post by dido on May 11, 2019 21:45:09 GMT
What is form, then?
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