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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2019 10:45:33 GMT
All conjecture, the greatest Rovers side ever was the swash buckling brilliance of Alfred Homer's 1904/05 Southern League winners. Alf's Assassins romped to their first title by five points, a huge margin considering it was two points for a win. Clubs such as Spurs, Southampton, Fulham, Watford, West Ham, Brighton and even the mighty Wellingborough couldn't live with us. The ever excellent Jack Lewis became the first serving Gashead to play for his country after his excellent form saw him called up for Wales. Oh, and the double was clinched winning the Gloucestershire Cup. All you whipper snappers don't know how crap your football is.
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Post by dido on Feb 19, 2019 10:51:47 GMT
Indeed Chewy. The woeful and iniquitous decline from Association Football to footie (spit).
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Post by harrybuckle on Feb 19, 2019 18:57:45 GMT
All conjecture, the greatest Rovers side ever was the swash buckling brilliance of Alfred Homer's 1904/05 Southern League winners. Alf's Assassins romped to their first title by five points, a huge margin considering it was two points for a win. Clubs such as Spurs, Southampton, Fulham, Watford, West Ham, Brighton and even the mighty Wellingborough couldn't live with us. The ever excellent Jack Lewis became the first serving Gashead to play for his country after his excellent form saw him called up for Wales. Oh, and the double was clinched winning the Gloucestershire Cup. All you whipper snappers don't know how crap your football is. At least you have learnt a lot from our well researched and written books after all. Fair play Chewy but you did not mention the magnificent strike partnership of former England International Billy Beats and young Andrew Smith who were the real Smash and Grab scoring an impressive sixteen and nineteen league goals respectively. Ever present between the sticks was a suitably named Arthur Cartlidge. Checkout their 6-1 win over Southampton on YouTube with commentary from red Roger Malone !
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Post by irishrover on Feb 19, 2019 23:19:56 GMT
Lots of things in football have improved, some have got worse. Football on and off the pitch has certainly become safer, does that make for a better or worse spectacle that’s open to debate. It’s a different sport now, it’s developed. There are elements of football I wish we’d managed to keep, the higher attendances, the affordability, and the atmosphere. Unfortunately with football in the 70’s and 80’s also game some more unsavoury elements. I know speaking to my Dad he doesn’t miss the trouble, NF canvassing and other things that came along with football then. We’ll always look back at when we started watching football and our “prime age” watching the game as the best time, because we were young, it was our thing. For me the mid-90’s were exceptional. I’m not wrong, it was just my time. Sometimes it’s nice to see and accept different periods of football for what they were, an insight into the game as it was then. Something like this I reckon.
It's all to do with the context at which we're first exposed to the game. I went to watch Stockport County v Southport tonight in Conference South. In many ways a terrible game-awful standard of football, lack of fitness as neither team is fully professional. But, you know what, it was a proper ding-dong. County are having their first decent season in donkey's years and have a real chance of winning the league. There was 4,500 there backing their team who preceded to wet the bed for the first 10 minutes and found themselves 2-0 only to have a spectacular period either side of half-time to storm back and win it 3-2. The game then died for the last 35 minutes. As a neutral it was a decent value for money but I'll probably have forgotten it by next week but the buzz those Stockport fans had from it was notable and somethng I could recognise. Groups at kids talking excitedly about how great County were and how this was the best comeback ever and the best game they'd ever seen. A standing ovation for the players as they left the pitch etc. I'm sure those kids will remember that game forever as being a fantastic memory of a top side. I thought it was OK. Context is everything.
Oh - and the winger thing is pretty simple. They had a lot more time and space back in the day as centre back weren't mobile enough to cover in behind. Now they are the tricksy winger who can beat a man from a standing start and put in a centre has far far less value in the game than they used to be. The fitness, speed and mobility now expected of defenders has been one of the biggest changes - there's simply less space available outwide other than when on the counter attack.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2019 0:10:50 GMT
All conjecture, the greatest Rovers side ever was the swash buckling brilliance of Alfred Homer's 1904/05 Southern League winners. Alf's Assassins romped to their first title by five points, a huge margin considering it was two points for a win. Clubs such as Spurs, Southampton, Fulham, Watford, West Ham, Brighton and even the mighty Wellingborough couldn't live with us. The ever excellent Jack Lewis became the first serving Gashead to play for his country after his excellent form saw him called up for Wales. Oh, and the double was clinched winning the Gloucestershire Cup. All you whipper snappers don't know how crap your football is. At least you have learnt a lot from our well researched and written books after all. Fair play Chewy but you did not mention the magnificent strike partnership of former England International Billy Beats and young Andrew Smith who were the real Smash and Grab scoring an impressive sixteen and nineteen league goals respectively. Ever present between the sticks was a suitably named Arthur Cartlidge. Checkout their 6-1 win over Southampton on YouTube with commentary from red Roger Malone ! Respected Alf's team the only way I could...
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Post by harrybuckle on Feb 20, 2019 11:11:10 GMT
At least you have learnt a lot from our well researched and written books after all. Fair play Chewy but you did not mention the magnificent strike partnership of former England International Billy Beats and young Andrew Smith who were the real Smash and Grab scoring an impressive sixteen and nineteen league goals respectively. Ever present between the sticks was a suitably named Arthur Cartlidge. Checkout their 6-1 win over Southampton on YouTube with commentary from red Roger Malone ! Respected Alf's team the only way I could... wow Chewy You certainly have gone up in my estimation for that Homer tattoo fair play to you.
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Post by warehamgas on Feb 21, 2019 9:56:07 GMT
Lots of things in football have improved, some have got worse. Football on and off the pitch has certainly become safer, does that make for a better or worse spectacle that’s open to debate. It’s a different sport now, it’s developed. There are elements of football I wish we’d managed to keep, the higher attendances, the affordability, and the atmosphere. Unfortunately with football in the 70’s and 80’s also game some more unsavoury elements. I know speaking to my Dad he doesn’t miss the trouble, NF canvassing and other things that came along with football then. We’ll always look back at when we started watching football and our “prime age” watching the game as the best time, because we were young, it was our thing. For me the mid-90’s were exceptional. I’m not wrong, it was just my time. Sometimes it’s nice to see and accept different periods of football for what they were, an insight into the game as it was then. Something like this I reckon.
It's all to do with the context at which we're first exposed to the game. I went to watch Stockport County v Southport tonight in Conference South. In many ways a terrible game-awful standard of football, lack of fitness as neither team is fully professional. But, you know what, it was a proper ding-dong. County are having their first decent season in donkey's years and have a real chance of winning the league. There was 4,500 there backing their team who preceded to wet the bed for the first 10 minutes and found themselves 2-0 only to have a spectacular period either side of half-time to storm back and win it 3-2. The game then died for the last 35 minutes. As a neutral it was a decent value for money but I'll probably have forgotten it by next week but the buzz those Stockport fans had from it was notable and somethng I could recognise. Groups at kids talking excitedly about how great County were and how this was the best comeback ever and the best game they'd ever seen. A standing ovation for the players as they left the pitch etc. I'm sure those kids will remember that game forever as being a fantastic memory of a top side. I thought it was OK. Context is everything.
Oh - and the winger thing is pretty simple. They had a lot more time and space back in the day as centre back weren't mobile enough to cover in behind. Now they are the tricksy winger who can beat a man from a standing start and put in a centre has far far less value in the game than they used to be. The fitness, speed and mobility now expected of defenders has been one of the biggest changes - there's simply less space available outwide other than when on the counter attack.
I can’t disagree with either of these, both spot on. But I would say you are both talking about a team being set set up and how they are organised and the tactical side of it. My point was more about players’ individual ability, their individual skills, the ability to kick a ball, tackle, run and control the ball at the same time, even pass to a teammate, head a ball, control a ball with the first touch. It was about the ability of the keeper to jump and catch a ball and command their own penalty area which both keepers did in that match. You may be right irish about the wingers but in that 1974 match there were several occasions when Kenny S and Graydon got to the by line and crossed the ball despite the pressure they were under. I see enough live football in the PL toknow some have a poor first touch, wingers playing back because they can’t clear the full back, keepers having no command if their areas. And of course I see other very good things as well and it can be very exciting. Anyway, I don’t think many agree with me but that’s ok, it is a never ending debate when you compare different eras and chewy is correct it’s just developed. But interesting to hear views of others. UTG!
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Post by irishrover on Feb 21, 2019 12:08:48 GMT
Something like this I reckon.
It's all to do with the context at which we're first exposed to the game. I went to watch Stockport County v Southport tonight in Conference South. In many ways a terrible game-awful standard of football, lack of fitness as neither team is fully professional. But, you know what, it was a proper ding-dong. County are having their first decent season in donkey's years and have a real chance of winning the league. There was 4,500 there backing their team who preceded to wet the bed for the first 10 minutes and found themselves 2-0 only to have a spectacular period either side of half-time to storm back and win it 3-2. The game then died for the last 35 minutes. As a neutral it was a decent value for money but I'll probably have forgotten it by next week but the buzz those Stockport fans had from it was notable and somethng I could recognise. Groups at kids talking excitedly about how great County were and how this was the best comeback ever and the best game they'd ever seen. A standing ovation for the players as they left the pitch etc. I'm sure those kids will remember that game forever as being a fantastic memory of a top side. I thought it was OK. Context is everything.
Oh - and the winger thing is pretty simple. They had a lot more time and space back in the day as centre back weren't mobile enough to cover in behind. Now they are the tricksy winger who can beat a man from a standing start and put in a centre has far far less value in the game than they used to be. The fitness, speed and mobility now expected of defenders has been one of the biggest changes - there's simply less space available outwide other than when on the counter attack.
I can’t disagree with either of these, both spot on. But I would say you are both talking about a team being set set up and how they are organised and the tactical side of it. My point was more about players’ individual ability, their individual skills, the ability to kick a ball, tackle, run and control the ball at the same time, even pass to a teammate, head a ball, control a ball with the first touch. It was about the ability of the keeper to jump and catch a ball and command their own penalty area which both keepers did in that match. You may be right irish about the wingers but in that 1974 match there were several occasions when Kenny S and Graydon got to the by line and crossed the ball despite the pressure they were under. I see enough live football in the PL toknow some have a poor first touch, wingers playing back because they can’t clear the full back, keepers having no command if their areas. And of course I see other very good things as well and it can be very exciting. Anyway, I don’t think many agree with me but that’s ok, it is a never ending debate when you compare different eras and chewy is correct it’s just developed. But interesting to hear views of others. UTG! I think another factor is that the physicality of the game has changed. For good or ill (and I'm sure the majority say ill - I'm not quite so sure) it was a much tougher sport. If you look at the way players control the ball and position their bodies in previous decades it's clear there was far more value in 'protecting the ball' (ie. where possible positioning as much of your body between the ball and the defender) and far more effort and concentration put into that initial tight close control because if you showed even a slight sniff of the ball to a defender not only would they take it but you'd be in real physical danger with no proper protection from the ref. There's far less one touch football or taking the ball in stride - controlling the ball is often a phase of action and then you move onto to the next stage - in modern football you don't see that as often as the value is so much more on pace of play. Nowadays the balance is far more in favour of the man with the ball so you can afford to show a lot more of it to an opponent and be back yourself to get the better of him knowing that if he even slightly catches you in the challenge there is a strong probability the decision will go your way. It leads to a quicker game but that initial close control and protection of the ball just doesn't seem to have quite the same value in the game it used to because it slows down the attack - even when I started watching 20 odd years ago that was still the main skill people seemed to expect from a wide midfield player, more so than pace. Nowadays it's primarily pace, attacking vision and the ability to cover back. Obviously control still matters, and you still won't get very far if you can't do it, but I don't think it's quite as critical as it used to be and the favoured techniques seem to have changed somewhat.
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Post by trymer on Feb 21, 2019 20:13:20 GMT
I can’t disagree with either of these, both spot on. But I would say you are both talking about a team being set set up and how they are organised and the tactical side of it. My point was more about players’ individual ability, their individual skills, the ability to kick a ball, tackle, run and control the ball at the same time, even pass to a teammate, head a ball, control a ball with the first touch. It was about the ability of the keeper to jump and catch a ball and command their own penalty area which both keepers did in that match. You may be right irish about the wingers but in that 1974 match there were several occasions when Kenny S and Graydon got to the by line and crossed the ball despite the pressure they were under. I see enough live football in the PL toknow some have a poor first touch, wingers playing back because they can’t clear the full back, keepers having no command if their areas. And of course I see other very good things as well and it can be very exciting. Anyway, I don’t think many agree with me but that’s ok, it is a never ending debate when you compare different eras and chewy is correct it’s just developed. But interesting to hear views of others. UTG! I think another factor is that the physicality of the game has changed. For good or ill (and I'm sure the majority say ill - I'm not quite so sure) it was a much tougher sport. If you look at the way players control the ball and position their bodies in previous decades it's clear there was far more value in 'protecting the ball' (ie. where possible positioning as much of your body between the ball and the defender) and far more effort and concentration put into that initial tight close control because if you showed even a slight sniff of the ball to a defender not only would they take it but you'd be in real physical danger with no proper protection from the ref. There's far less one touch football or taking the ball in stride - controlling the ball is often a phase of action and then you move onto to the next stage - in modern football you don't see that as often as the value is so much more on pace of play. Nowadays the balance is far more in favour of the man with the ball so you can afford to show a lot more of it to an opponent and be back yourself to get the better of him knowing that if he even slightly catches you in the challenge there is a strong probability the decision will go your way. It leads to a quicker game but that initial close control and protection of the ball just doesn't seem to have quite the same value in the game it used to because it slows down the attack - even when I started watching 20 odd years ago that was still the main skill people seemed to expect from a wide midfield player, more so than pace. Nowadays it's primarily pace, attacking vision and the ability to cover back. Obviously control still matters, and you still won't get very far if you can't do it, but I don't think it's quite as critical as it used to be and the favoured techniques seem to have changed somewhat.
The centre back marked the centre forward then if they got out of position going towards the wing a cross would go over and someone like Gilzean,Lochead,Mariner etc etc would head it in,the centre half stayed with him to try and stop that. I agree that the game is quicker but basic ball control is poor a lot of the time,players try to pass but so often it doesn't reach the intended player. I was lucky enough to see a game in Spain about 5 years ago (2nd division I think) Sabadell v Barcelona B,I was very impressed with the ball control and quick (and accurate) passing,it was far ahead of what I saw from Rovers and the teams that they were playing then,admittedly Rovers were 4th tier then non league around this time but the basic skills were much better in the Spanish game.
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Post by trymer on Feb 21, 2019 20:20:18 GMT
Something like this I reckon.
It's all to do with the context at which we're first exposed to the game. I went to watch Stockport County v Southport tonight in Conference South. In many ways a terrible game-awful standard of football, lack of fitness as neither team is fully professional. But, you know what, it was a proper ding-dong. County are having their first decent season in donkey's years and have a real chance of winning the league. There was 4,500 there backing their team who preceded to wet the bed for the first 10 minutes and found themselves 2-0 only to have a spectacular period either side of half-time to storm back and win it 3-2. The game then died for the last 35 minutes. As a neutral it was a decent value for money but I'll probably have forgotten it by next week but the buzz those Stockport fans had from it was notable and somethng I could recognise. Groups at kids talking excitedly about how great County were and how this was the best comeback ever and the best game they'd ever seen. A standing ovation for the players as they left the pitch etc. I'm sure those kids will remember that game forever as being a fantastic memory of a top side. I thought it was OK. Context is everything.
Oh - and the winger thing is pretty simple. They had a lot more time and space back in the day as centre back weren't mobile enough to cover in behind. Now they are the tricksy winger who can beat a man from a standing start and put in a centre has far far less value in the game than they used to be. The fitness, speed and mobility now expected of defenders has been one of the biggest changes - there's simply less space available outwide other than when on the counter attack.
I can’t disagree with either of these, both spot on. But I would say you are both talking about a team being set set up and how they are organised and the tactical side of it. My point was more about players’ individual ability, their individual skills, the ability to kick a ball, tackle, run and control the ball at the same time, even pass to a teammate, head a ball, control a ball with the first touch. It was about the ability of the keeper to jump and catch a ball and command their own penalty area which both keepers did in that match. You may be right irish about the wingers but in that 1974 match there were several occasions when Kenny S and Graydon got to the by line and crossed the ball despite the pressure they were under. I see enough live football in the PL toknow some have a poor first touch, wingers playing back because they can’t clear the full back, keepers having no command if their areas. And of course I see other very good things as well and it can be very exciting. Anyway, I don’t think many agree with me but that’s ok, it is a never ending debate when you compare different eras and chewy is correct it’s just developed. But interesting to hear views of others. UTG! I agree again,wingers like Graydon,Kenny Stephens,Colin Dobson made so many crosses for centre forwards like Alfie Biggs or Warboys to score and it was great to watch,I remember watching Worrel sterling play for Rovers and thinking that I didn't like him as a winger,he would get so far and then cut in instead of taking it to the line and crossing,it might be that the modern way is somehow technically better but it doesn't seem to excite the crowd like it did.
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Post by LPGas on Feb 22, 2019 18:39:03 GMT
I was there and I have a photo of supporters at the game and I am on it
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