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Post by stevek192 on Jan 19, 2019 21:43:16 GMT
Not going to waste a lot of time on this report because the marks alone could adequately describe this afternoons non event where only one player could really come out with his head held high-against an awful Wycombe team that lived up to their "cheating" name by taking full advantage of a truly awful referee who from first whistle to last allowed them to see that they would get away with everything they wanted to do.. That said the referee could not be blamed for this dreadful performance and result which sees the club back in the relegation mire that there appeared to be a good chance to get out of. The safety net could well be five points away by the time we play Peterborough,
Bonham 3 Looked nervous from the minute he nearly gave away a goal early on but for the alert Lockyer to slide in and clear after a handling error and looked like he should have done better with the cross for the goal. His kicking also left a lot to be desired.
J. Clarke 7 MOM Had a great battle all afternoon and the only player that played anywhere near his true form.
Lockyer 3 Too much got passed to him and that spells disaster and was at fault for the goal as I think he was marking the player
Craig 3 Same as Lockyer without the blame for the goal. His passing at times borders on the terrible.
Kelly 2.5 Allowed Wycombe far too much time and space and looked far from a player that is rumoured to be interesting West ham.
Rodman 4 To be fair to him he didn't really get the sort of possession to really do a lot. unlucky with a header against the post.
Upson 4 The only real positive was that at least he wanted the ball and passed it accurately when he did get it. Unlucky IMO to be substituted as should have been Ollie Clarke who was the worst of the two.
O. Clarke 2 Dreadful performance with another needless booking.Struggled to either get in the game or when he did struggled to complete even the simplest of passes.
Holmes-Dennis 2 Not really in the game at all and certainly it looked to me that he should have moved to full back and brought on Bennett
Jakubiak 3 Little support and service was poor to say the least but he never really looked likely to get the better of the Wycombe defence and can't recall him having a shot.
Payne 2.5 Did very little. Looked slow and never likely to win the ball in the air nor;put it that way; on the ground.
Subs: Lines 3 Nothing to really make me think he has the ability anymore to dominate a game and made little difference.
Reilly 3 Didn't really notice he was on the pitch.
Matthews 1 Never seen a player who gives the ball away so much even after doing something good. Sorry but another DC signing who is not anywhere near League 1 quality and questionable whether he is even League 2 standard.
Crowd 5 Well the crowd represented the poor entertainment. Good numbers considering the situation we are in but like the tyeam never got going.
Ref 3 Incompetent right from the off and never allowed the game to get going and never had control of it.
Wycombe 4 Good centre half and lived up to their reputation but didn't have to be any good to beat us and certainly were not .(very good that is.)
GC- His future will depend on his signings so he better be allowed to make three or four because the honeymoon is over with three performances on the trot that have lacked quality. Really can't see any further than relegation based on the fixtures we have remaining. Any optimism gained has been lost because if I am honest DC's signings have left us in a truly poor position.
So we move on to Tuesdays Semi final against Port Vale and in truth who gives a damn really as the only positive that can come out of this season is to avoid the drop and on todays performance that is one hell of a challenge. Either Wael wants a League 1 side or he doesn't and I wish he would convince us of his intentions because the signs at the moment are not good either on or off the pitch and failure to sanction three or four key signings could well see us rock bottom by the end of February. If todays team was one playing with confidence after 11 points from 15 then I would hate to see us when we don't have the confidence!
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Post by gasheadpirate on Jan 19, 2019 22:06:33 GMT
Steve, I agree with pretty much all you said. Rovers looked like a team bereft of any ideas going forward. Indeed, they looked like a team who had not trained or played together before. Wycombe were poor but were a yard faster than us all round the pitch. A general lack of fight or spirit. In short, a team that is resigned to losing and going down. Sad times.
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Post by DudeLebowski on Jan 19, 2019 23:55:45 GMT
Lines was a waste of substitution. 1-0 down & struggling bigtime, needed someone to come on, take the game by the scruff, make some bursting runs, carry the ball deep into their half to start laying on & opening up chances, I figured Linesy would be that man!
Nah, just comes on to stand on the centre halves toes, take the ball off them from a 5 yard pass & float around barely leaving the centre circle the entire time he’s on the park. Massive waste.
Agree entirely about Upson, extremely unlucky to be taken off because OC was abysmal all day long.
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Post by Peter Parker on Jan 20, 2019 5:57:39 GMT
Lines was a waste of substitution. 1-0 down & struggling bigtime, needed someone to come on, take the game by the scruff, make some bursting runs, carry the ball deep into their half to start laying on & opening up chances, I figured Linesy would be that man! Nah, just comes on to stand on the centre halves toes, take the ball off them from a 5 yard pass & float around barely leaving the centre circle the entire time he’s on the park. Massive waste. Agree entirely about Upson, extremely unlucky to be taken off because OC was abysmal all day long. I dont get Lines coming on to play 70 yards from goal. Not so bad if we had some movement where he can spray it around, but we needed some direct running and pace. I am not massive on Leadbitter, but i assume he is injured. We are so slow and at least he would give us some even if it is off the bench and we could have gone 3 at the back without James Clarke having to be a winger and he is is the only one who reallys howed any get up and go yesterday. We just seemed to be two banks of 4 and hope we nick something. If that is the best we can do we may as well have kept DC. Have tried to be positive, but yesterday was the game that tells me we are going down without some serious wheeling and dealing |
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Post by Gregory Stevens on Jan 20, 2019 6:50:10 GMT
Broadly agree. I think Ollie getting a lower mark than Payne is the only thing I’d disagree with but it’s like saying was Hitler worse than Stalin. They were both awful.
I’d add that I thought tactically we were woeful and our main tactic was lumping it to the right wing. Aim for Clarke’s head seemed the main tactic.
GC is a lovely guy but I never thought he was the right choice. He was the cheap choice.
What he got wrong was that Wycombe are a big, ugly cheating side and we set up to match that. They dragged us down to their level and beat us with experience.
I gave this board the benefit of the doubt for too long but in a relegation dogfight, to give 2.5 years to a defence coach with no experience in management is about the least ambitious thing you could do. What next, the under 8s coach?
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Post by Peter Parker on Jan 20, 2019 6:55:03 GMT
Broadly agree. I think Ollie getting a lower mark than Payne is the only thing I’d disagree with but it’s like saying was Hitler worse than Stalin. They were both awful. I’d add that I thought tactically we were woeful and our main tactic was lumping it to the right wing. Aim for Clarke’s head seemed the main tactic. GC is a lovely guy but I never thought he was the right choice. He was the cheap choice. What he got wrong was that Wycombe are a big, ugly cheating side and we set up to match that. They dragged us down to their level and beat us with experience. I gave this board the benefit of the doubt for too long but in a relegation dogfight, to give 2.5 years to a defence coach with no experience in management is about the least ambitious thing you could do. What next, the under 8s coach? One thing i will say is anyone can bang on about his 2.5 year contract, but we dont know any of the details of it |
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Post by Gregory Stevens on Jan 20, 2019 7:01:21 GMT
Broadly agree. I think Ollie getting a lower mark than Payne is the only thing I’d disagree with but it’s like saying was Hitler worse than Stalin. They were both awful. I’d add that I thought tactically we were woeful and our main tactic was lumping it to the right wing. Aim for Clarke’s head seemed the main tactic. GC is a lovely guy but I never thought he was the right choice. He was the cheap choice. What he got wrong was that Wycombe are a big, ugly cheating side and we set up to match that. They dragged us down to their level and beat us with experience. I gave this board the benefit of the doubt for too long but in a relegation dogfight, to give 2.5 years to a defence coach with no experience in management is about the least ambitious thing you could do. What next, the under 8s coach? One thing i will say is anyone can bang on about his 2.5 year contract, but we dont know any of the details of it We know it’s 2,5 years? |
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Post by Peter Parker on Jan 20, 2019 7:04:19 GMT
One thing i will say is anyone can bang on about his 2.5 year contract, but we dont know any of the details of it We know it’s 2,5 years? Ok |
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Post by Rex on Jan 20, 2019 7:16:59 GMT
Broadly agree. I think Ollie getting a lower mark than Payne is the only thing I’d disagree with but it’s like saying was Hitler worse than Stalin. They were both awful. I’d add that I thought tactically we were woeful and our main tactic was lumping it to the right wing. Aim for Clarke’s head seemed the main tactic. GC is a lovely guy but I never thought he was the right choice. He was the cheap choice. What he got wrong was that Wycombe are a big, ugly cheating side and we set up to match that. They dragged us down to their level and beat us with experience. I gave this board the benefit of the doubt for too long but in a relegation dogfight, to give 2.5 years to a defence coach with no experience in management is about the least ambitious thing you could do. What next, the under 8s coach? One thing i will say is anyone can bang on about his 2.5 year contract, but we dont know any of the details of it I have been banging on about this but nobody seems to taking it in . As you say we don't know the details. It is the value of the contract that matters not the length. If GC is on less than half the wages of DC (which is entirely feasible) then a 2 and a half year deal is very cheap for the club, and one thing we do know about our board is that they like cheap! |
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Post by harrybuckle on Jan 20, 2019 8:09:56 GMT
Harsh on Bonham and Lockyer both 5 for me who did reasonably well and the ref called most things correctly and would give him 6. Think the result overshadowed your marking.
Great stats: Bet you did not know these
All three subs Wycombe used yesterday v Rovers also played in the League v Rovers in the calendar year of 2004.
When Rovers played Wycombe in Nov 2004, their side included Tyson and Bloomfield, who both came on as subs yesterday, and their side also included current Rover Tony Craig.
The third sub, Akinfenwa, was sent off at The Mem in April 2004, whilst playing for Doncaster.
Stat you will know That's EIGHT HOME LEAGUE DEFEATS already and we have Sunderland, Charlton, Luton and Barnsley still to visit the Mem.
Lost 10 in total in 2010/11 and we were relegated that season. The and club record is 11 in 1947/48. |
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Post by DudeLebowski on Jan 20, 2019 8:41:40 GMT
Broadly agree. I think Ollie getting a lower mark than Payne is the only thing I’d disagree with but it’s like saying was Hitler worse than Stalin. They were both awful. I’d add that I thought tactically we were woeful and our main tactic was lumping it to the right wing. Aim for Clarke’s head seemed the main tactic. GC is a lovely guy but I never thought he was the right choice. He was the cheap choice. What he got wrong was that Wycombe are a big, ugly cheating side and we set up to match that. They dragged us down to their level and beat us with experience. I gave this board the benefit of the doubt for too long but in a relegation dogfight, to give 2.5 years to a defence coach with no experience in management is about the least ambitious thing you could do. What next, the under 8s coach? One thing i will say is anyone can bang on about his 2.5 year contract, but we dont know any of the details of it & there weren’t many mentioning his contract/experience before kick off yesterday. Just like you won’t hear it uttered if we go the next 6 unbeaten again including 4 wins. Funny old game. |
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Post by bloogas on Jan 20, 2019 9:19:53 GMT
Broadly agree. I think Ollie getting a lower mark than Payne is the only thing I’d disagree with but it’s like saying was Hitler worse than Stalin. They were both awful. I’d add that I thought tactically we were woeful and our main tactic was lumping it to the right wing. Aim for Clarke’s head seemed the main tactic. GC is a lovely guy but I never thought he was the right choice. He was the cheap choice. What he got wrong was that Wycombe are a big, ugly cheating side and we set up to match that. They dragged us down to their level and beat us with experience. I gave this board the benefit of the doubt for too long but in a relegation dogfight, to give 2.5 years to a defence coach with no experience in management is about the least ambitious thing you could do. What next, the under 8s coach? And you said that after Fleetwood, Walsall & Oxford? And you know for a fact that far better managers did actually apply for the job? You've actually more or less answered yourself - what manager is gonna want to come here knowing the board aren't gonna spend two ha'pence on the team, and therefore have a relegation on his CV? Regrettably the board are what we're lumbered with, like it or not. GC was probably the only option. |
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Post by Gregory Stevens on Jan 20, 2019 9:54:46 GMT
Broadly agree. I think Ollie getting a lower mark than Payne is the only thing I’d disagree with but it’s like saying was Hitler worse than Stalin. They were both awful. I’d add that I thought tactically we were woeful and our main tactic was lumping it to the right wing. Aim for Clarke’s head seemed the main tactic. GC is a lovely guy but I never thought he was the right choice. He was the cheap choice. What he got wrong was that Wycombe are a big, ugly cheating side and we set up to match that. They dragged us down to their level and beat us with experience. I gave this board the benefit of the doubt for too long but in a relegation dogfight, to give 2.5 years to a defence coach with no experience in management is about the least ambitious thing you could do. What next, the under 8s coach? And you said that after Fleetwood, Walsall & Oxford? And you know for a fact that far better managers did actually apply for the job? You've actually more or less answered yourself - what manager is gonna want to come here knowing the board aren't gonna spend two ha'pence on the team, and therefore have a relegation on his CV? Regrettably the board are what we're lumbered with, like it or not. GC was probably the only option. We are violently agreeing - the issue is the board. Not GC. We have GC because we have no money. |
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Post by bloogas on Jan 20, 2019 10:35:14 GMT
[quote author=" Gregory Stevens" source="[/quote] We are violently agreeing - the issue is the board. Not GC. We have GC because we have no money. [/quote] This is a genuine question, not sarcasm, but why don't we have any money? Why can Accrington & Wycombe do OK on 2 & 3 thousand crowds & we can't on 8/9,even 10? Where does our money go? I'm no accountant unfortunately but my ex-boss has a daughter who is a "forensic accountant". Do I ask her to take a look at our accounts? Or is it just sheer financial incompetence? I can grudgingly accept the AQ's don't want to throw their own money at the club but surely we can manage a mid L1 team? |
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Post by bloogas on Jan 20, 2019 10:36:07 GMT
I'm not violent by the way.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2019 12:15:52 GMT
Widdrington should be gotten rid of immediately, recruited nothing other than clapped out journeymen on god knows what wages that obviously are not integrating into the team. Payne, Rodman and Upson are absolute farts, gutless overpaid s**ts that seem to be playing in dinner jackets. Craig is over the top as well but at least he has the gas in his blood and tries his limited best.
Reilly is conference standard at best the same applies to Mathews.
Bonham was totally responsible for the goal yesterday and seems to be falling apart with the rest of them.
Jackubiak is taking on the whole back four on his own with next to no service at all, Ollie Clarke is stranded in midfield, while the only recognisable gas player yesterday was the outstanding James Clarke.
We are once again at a point in what seems a never ending cycle of bringing on youngsters, selling those that are decent on and for some reason rather than utilising what we have developed we bring in lazy fat arsed layabouts playing out there dog days of insignificant careers.
Coughlan has to be as brutal as Gerry Francis was when he inherited the s**t Bobby Gould left when he buggered off, throw out the rubbish and rebuild so that in the event we are too far gone we can at least look forward to a positive outcome from next season.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2019 12:23:07 GMT
Looks like our creative players that can potentially turn draws into wins could be on their way through lack of first team chances. Don't forget even bodin didn't do the business every match. The new owners promised so much but instead papered over the cracks albeit with half decent wallpaper. But unfortunately as time has gone on those same cracks have started to reappear on and off the pitch.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2019 12:29:38 GMT
And you said that after Fleetwood, Walsall & Oxford? And you know for a fact that far better managers did actually apply for the job? You've actually more or less answered yourself - what manager is gonna want to come here knowing the board aren't gonna spend two ha'pence on the team, and therefore have a relegation on his CV? Regrettably the board are what we're lumbered with, like it or not. GC was probably the only option. We are violently agreeing - the issue is the board. Not GC. We have GC because we have no money. We'll never be told, but would like to know how much we are spending on first team players and how much on people who don't seem to be adding anything. Here's an example. Last I heard Gorringe had an assistant. Why he needs one I have no idea, what his assistant produces is anybody's guess. I was told he was going to sort out communication and marketing. Based on the evidence so far, that's one wasted salary. Whilst he's being paid to produce nothing that I can see we are expecting players who haven't been good enough all season to suddenly get better. |
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Post by The Concept on Jan 20, 2019 18:49:51 GMT
The order of the points scored above is similar to how I would have put it. The difference is I had more players in the middle, rather than a big gap between top and bottom marks. For instance, I didn't see Lockyer being 4 points below Clarke J, and only 0.5 above Kelly.
There were times yesterday that Kelly and Holmes-Dennis didn't seem to know which player to mark, who should go for the man on the ball, and who should track the runner. Ended up marking the same player and letting one go free.
Such a shame as I thought they were beginning to strike up a bit of a partnership.
If Holmes-Dennis is fully fit now I would put him at full-back and bring in a proper winger in front, someone to add a bit of flair.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Jan 20, 2019 18:59:21 GMT
Broadly agree. I think Ollie getting a lower mark than Payne is the only thing I’d disagree with but it’s like saying was Hitler worse than Stalin. They were both awful. I’d add that I thought tactically we were woeful and our main tactic was lumping it to the right wing. Aim for Clarke’s head seemed the main tactic. GC is a lovely guy but I never thought he was the right choice. He was the cheap choice. What he got wrong was that Wycombe are a big, ugly cheating side and we set up to match that. They dragged us down to their level and beat us with experience. I gave this board the benefit of the doubt for too long but in a relegation dogfight, to give 2.5 years to a defence coach with no experience in management is about the least ambitious thing you could do. What next, the under 8s coach? Funny how we all see it differently as I thought that Wycombe were around the same size as us, I just think they wanted it more and you only had to see how quickly they raced back, when they needed to defend we, on the other hand, looked slow and cumbersome, lacking in desire and ambition. I agree, totally, about GC. To give a 2.5 year contract and on the back of 5 games, we’ll,.....it jus baffles and confuses me. It could very easy to think we were being run into the ground and on purpose. I have never been one that started to gloat and I did ask others not to say silly things, it’s already biting us on the bum already. Who do we have to call upon, if/when things get to the no return point ? i can’t think of anyone that would want to do that now and who could blame them ? Best batten down the hatches, it’s going to get very rough. |
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