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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2018 17:25:04 GMT
Another win and with the exception of Tareiq, the same players that Darrell had available.
Nagging feeling in my mind that they weren't giving their all previously. Really hope I'm wrong.
Anyway, great to be out of the bottom 4 and just 18 points from the play offs.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2018 17:45:49 GMT
Another win and with the exception of Tareiq, the same players that Darrell had available. Nagging feeling in my mind that they weren't giving their all previously. Really hope I'm wrong. Anyway, great to be out of the bottom 4 and just 18 points from the play offs. THD and Rodman will be like new signings. The rest look more confident. We’ve only been done by more than one goal twice this season (one when chasing a game at Charlton). I don’t think they weren’t trying, I just don’t think they had the confidence.
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Post by laughinggas on Dec 26, 2018 18:01:03 GMT
Manager looks like gone back to one basic plan, everyone knowing what they are doing. Given some players confidence by coking same side.
The difficulty is knowing is this short term fix or does he have a plan if we do move up the table to kick on?
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Post by CabbagePatchBlues on Dec 26, 2018 21:25:46 GMT
He kept them in a straitjacket with his tinkering, formation and style of play. I don't know what he was trying to achieve but he was stubborn with it. It wasn't working but he still persisted with it almost like he didn't believe in them. The new guy has them playing on the front foot more direct with a high press like a lot of teams play these days and gets the best out of them.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Dec 26, 2018 21:43:31 GMT
I see the big change is playing players in their rightful position. So, a doubling up of left footer on left and vice versa. It's a supportive role and adds balance, pace and width.
Before (let's say Rodman, for example), a right favoured attacker on the left would naturally have the instinct to cut in, thus making our streamline of the team narrower. This might work occasionally, especially if you have a player (let's say Bodin, for example) that has a very decent other foot.
The way GC sets it up has made more space for Upson to pick his pass. And also given box to box Ollie opportunity and space. The whole midfield looks rejuvenated with convention and stability.
Also, rightfully Nichols is on the bench. At best. He just doesn't have the movement or footballing brain that Jak has. When you look back to some posts saying we don't have any options, it's such a waste that Jak hasn't been played more often..... watch that threaded ball for THD earlier - sublime.
Hey, no doubt there are more sophisticated and intricate ways to nullify our threats, but for early days GC is playing to our strengths and it's working. So not mending anything that isn't broken.
We never would have won our last two matches with DC still in charge. What's going on is evolution, no one person is bigger than this club and GC is encouraging a team game built on competition and hardiness not based on how much a fee was or stubbornness in refusal to admit players aren't good enough..
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2018 0:05:26 GMT
I see the big change is playing players in their rightful position. So, a doubling up of left footer on left and vice versa. It's a supportive role and adds balance, pace and width. Before (let's say Rodman, for example), a right favoured attacker on the left would naturally have the instinct to cut in, thus making our streamline of the team narrower. This might work occasionally, especially if you have a player (let's say Bodin, for example) that has a very decent other foot. The way GC sets it up has made more space for Upson to pick his pass. And also given box to box Ollie opportunity and space. The whole midfield looks rejuvenated with convention and stability. Also, rightfully Nichols is on the bench. At best. He just doesn't have the movement or footballing brain that Jak has. When you look back to some posts saying we don't have any options, it's such a waste that Jak hasn't been played more often..... watch that threaded ball for THD earlier - sublime. Hey, no doubt there are more sophisticated and intricate ways to nullify our threats, but for early days GC is playing to our strengths and it's working. So not mending anything that isn't broken. We never would have won our last two matches with DC still in charge. What's going on is evolution, no one person is bigger than this club and GC is encouraging a team game built on competition and hardiness not based on how much a fee was or stubbornness in refusal to admit players aren't good enough.. Except reilly is a striker playing in an advanced midfield role and tariq-holmes is a left back playing on the left wing. The real truth is that had we lost people would have pointed these things out but because we won they simply ignore the facts.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Dec 28, 2018 16:35:37 GMT
I see the big change is playing players in their rightful position. So, a doubling up of left footer on left and vice versa. It's a supportive role and adds balance, pace and width. Before (let's say Rodman, for example), a right favoured attacker on the left would naturally have the instinct to cut in, thus making our streamline of the team narrower. This might work occasionally, especially if you have a player (let's say Bodin, for example) that has a very decent other foot. The way GC sets it up has made more space for Upson to pick his pass. And also given box to box Ollie opportunity and space. The whole midfield looks rejuvenated with convention and stability. Also, rightfully Nichols is on the bench. At best. He just doesn't have the movement or footballing brain that Jak has. When you look back to some posts saying we don't have any options, it's such a waste that Jak hasn't been played more often..... watch that threaded ball for THD earlier - sublime. Hey, no doubt there are more sophisticated and intricate ways to nullify our threats, but for early days GC is playing to our strengths and it's working. So not mending anything that isn't broken. We never would have won our last two matches with DC still in charge. What's going on is evolution, no one person is bigger than this club and GC is encouraging a team game built on competition and hardiness not based on how much a fee was or stubbornness in refusal to admit players aren't good enough.. Except reilly is a striker playing in an advanced midfield role and tariq-holmes is a left back playing on the left wing. The real truth is that had we lost people would have pointed these things out but because we won they simply ignore the facts. That is very true. Results dictate all. I still prefer a team that is not changed so often and I think DC just got caught up with trying overly complex football at this level. I still feel sorry for him though
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Post by droitwichgas on Dec 28, 2018 18:15:36 GMT
I can't get my head around how somebody already on the coaching staff can turn us around from relegation fodder to looking good enough to be top 10, or even higher, side in just a couple of games. Particularly when we've looked poor right from the pre-season games, did some of the players want DC out, or did he just manufacture his own downfall so he could get a decent pay off. Why would anybody select Nichols & Payne week in/week out when neither looked capable of ever scoring or sign Rodman then refuse to select him when he was fit but now he looks our most creative player.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2018 21:27:42 GMT
I can't get my head around how somebody already on the coaching staff can turn us around from relegation fodder to looking good enough to be top 10, or even higher, side in just a couple of games. Particularly when we've looked poor right from the pre-season games, did some of the players want DC out, or did he just manufacture his own downfall so he could get a decent pay off. Why would anybody select Nichols & Payne week in/week out when neither looked capable of ever scoring or sign Rodman then refuse to select him when he was fit but now he looks our most creative player. Two wins against average opposition has not suddenly turned us into a team looking good enough for the top 10. Its just two wins. Payne has scored and has at times looked like scoring,twice hitting the bar in recent games although he has not been good for us. Dc lost his job because of poor results but there will always be a link between him losing his job, signing and continuing to play nichols despite the dreadful goal return from the player. I find it strange how people get carried away after 2 wins.
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Post by mangogas15 on Dec 28, 2018 22:05:09 GMT
I can't get my head around how somebody already on the coaching staff can turn us around from relegation fodder to looking good enough to be top 10, or even higher, side in just a couple of games. Particularly when we've looked poor right from the pre-season games, did some of the players want DC out, or did he just manufacture his own downfall so he could get a decent pay off. Why would anybody select Nichols & Payne week in/week out when neither looked capable of ever scoring or sign Rodman then refuse to select him when he was fit but now he looks our most creative player. Two wins against average opposition has not suddenly turned us into a team looking good enough for the top 10. Its just two wins. Payne has scored and has at times looked like scoring,twice hitting the bar in recent games although he has not been good for us. Dc lost his job because of poor results but there will always be a link between him losing his job, signing and continuing to play nichols despite the dreadful goal return from the player. I find it strange how people get carried away after 2 wins. I don't see how anyone is getting carried away when we're 5th from bottom by 1 point. It just gives us hope. It also looks like it was very simple for DC change but his CHOICE was to pick the underperforming players and chop and change the team. We'll see tomorrow but I for one am not getting carried away, I don't see anyone else on here either. This is still potentially the best squad we've had for years maybe one striker short. We have large depth but now a fresh impetus with competition for places. We need 30 pts to be safe going by the last 5 years but the current bottom 6 are all within a few points so again like in 2014 we may need more than normal seasons.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2018 22:15:37 GMT
I can't get my head around how somebody already on the coaching staff can turn us around from relegation fodder to looking good enough to be top 10, or even higher, side in just a couple of games. Particularly when we've looked poor right from the pre-season games, did some of the players want DC out, or did he just manufacture his own downfall so he could get a decent pay off. Why would anybody select Nichols & Payne week in/week out when neither looked capable of ever scoring or sign Rodman then refuse to select him when he was fit but now he looks our most creative player. Two wins against average opposition has not suddenly turned us into a team looking good enough for the top 10. Its just two wins. Payne has scored and has at times looked like scoring,twice hitting the bar in recent games although he has not been good for us. Dc lost his job because of poor results but there will always be a link between him losing his job, signing and continuing to play nichols despite the dreadful goal return from the player. I find it strange how people get carried away after 2 wins. It's not just the fact we have won twice against top half teams but the fact players looked confident and we're playing naturally within a system that suited them .no one is getting carried away and only a very few are calling for GC to be appointed now it's just they were fed up with poor performances and tactics that weren't working together with the continual selection of nicholls and couldn't see where the next win was going to come from. Coincidentally dc tooknow over from JW after a thrashing of 4.1 and he lost his job after a 4.0 thrashing
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Post by pirate49 on Dec 28, 2018 22:32:51 GMT
Two wins against average opposition has not suddenly turned us into a team looking good enough for the top 10. Its just two wins. Payne has scored and has at times looked like scoring,twice hitting the bar in recent games although he has not been good for us. Dc lost his job because of poor results but there will always be a link between him losing his job, signing and continuing to play nichols despite the dreadful goal return from the player. I find it strange how people get carried away after 2 wins. ...................................... Coincidentally DC took over from JW after a thrashing of 4.1 and he lost his job after a 4.0 thrashing 'What goes around comes around'. DC said publicly of JW that 'John had lost his mojo'. Chickens....... roost........
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Post by LPGas on Dec 28, 2018 22:41:31 GMT
Another win and with the exception of Tareiq, the same players that Darrell had available. Nagging feeling in my mind that they weren't giving their all previously. Really hope I'm wrong. Anyway, great to be out of the bottom 4 and just 18 points from the play offs. 1. We have balanced team. Left footers to the left. Right footers to the right. DC's lovechild Nichols is no longer first choice. An outfield loan player is given more than 10 minutes a month on the pitch. The team play a simple easy to understand system. If you play well you stay in the team. Changes are made when there are injuries or bookings. Forgotten signings actually get a game. and it appears to work. Now why couldn't DC see that?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2018 23:31:26 GMT
Another win and with the exception of Tareiq, the same players that Darrell had available. Nagging feeling in my mind that they weren't giving their all previously. Really hope I'm wrong. Anyway, great to be out of the bottom 4 and just 18 points from the play offs. 1. We have balanced team. Left footers to the left. Right footers to the right. DC's lovechild Nichols is no longer first choice. An outfield loan player is given more than 10 minutes a month on the pitch. The team play a simple easy to understand system. If you play well you stay in the team. Changes are made when there are injuries or bookings. Forgotten signings actually get a game. and it appears to work. Now why couldn't DC see that? So all wrong footed wingers unbalance teams do they? Nobody anywhere has success with wrong footed wide players then?
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Post by mangogas15 on Dec 29, 2018 7:54:07 GMT
1. We have balanced team. Left footers to the left. Right footers to the right. DC's lovechild Nichols is no longer first choice. An outfield loan player is given more than 10 minutes a month on the pitch. The team play a simple easy to understand system. If you play well you stay in the team. Changes are made when there are injuries or bookings. Forgotten signings actually get a game. and it appears to work. Now why couldn't DC see that? So all wrong footed wingers unbalance teams do they? Nobody anywhere has success with wrong footed wide players then? You are right. But we had to go back to basics first.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2018 10:13:51 GMT
1. We have balanced team. Left footers to the left. Right footers to the right. DC's lovechild Nichols is no longer first choice. An outfield loan player is given more than 10 minutes a month on the pitch. The team play a simple easy to understand system. If you play well you stay in the team. Changes are made when there are injuries or bookings. Forgotten signings actually get a game. and it appears to work. Now why couldn't DC see that? So all wrong footed wingers unbalance teams do they? Nobody anywhere has success with wrong footed wide players then? Agreed. A certain Mr Bodin managed ok.
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Post by mangogas15 on Dec 29, 2018 10:57:05 GMT
So all wrong footed wingers unbalance teams do they? Nobody anywhere has success with wrong footed wide players then? Agreed. A certain Mr Bodin managed ok. Kyle Bennett. Son of Paul Bodin he is not..
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Post by basel on Dec 29, 2018 12:56:19 GMT
Another win and with the exception of Tareiq, the same players that Darrell had available. Nagging feeling in my mind that they weren't giving their all previously. Really hope I'm wrong. Anyway, great to be out of the bottom 4 and just 18 points from the play offs. Hello Dr F,i think the players are a wee bit happier because GC has re-simplified the game for them.4 4 2 and what have you.Maybe DC ,under increasing stress,could'nt see the wood for the trees?Made things unnecessarily complicated?So imo,effort the same,but job satisfaction and obviously results better.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Dec 29, 2018 13:41:07 GMT
I can't get my head around how somebody already on the coaching staff can turn us around from relegation fodder to looking good enough to be top 10, or even higher, side in just a couple of games. Particularly when we've looked poor right from the pre-season games, did some of the players want DC out, or did he just manufacture his own downfall so he could get a decent pay off. Why would anybody select Nichols & Payne week in/week out when neither looked capable of ever scoring or sign Rodman then refuse to select him when he was fit but now he looks our most creative player. From the little I found out, there certainly was a couple of cliques within the players and I am led to believe one player in particular was problematical though Wael made me sign a non disclosure contract so I can’t say anything as everything takes time don’t you know 😂. It think it obviated itself that the team were not playing to their best abilities as only the favoured couple knew they would be picked. Lets not get carried away just yet though as it’s early days but Coughlan has kept the same side that won and it will probably motivate players to know that if they do well then they will probably start the next game. As i have said before, I do feel empathy and sympathy for DC but he is not a kid and you simply cannot keep throwing the owners under a bus after each defeat. I can only speculate that this was his way of leaving. It does seem that he has got some kind of pay off as was said, on having a gas, he now can’t talk due to conditions that he agreed to in leaving. As many have said, on paper the team is not bad but they certainly were not a happy bunch and the team spirit that was evident in DC’s teams previously, was gone yet we were not getting hammered up until the Doncaster game. In my opinion, if Coughlan can carry on in this vein then I will have no problem in him being appointed and he will know the club and perameters within which he can do his thing. Yes, I’d prefer someone with contacts but we have had those before and it doesn’t mean we will do any better. padstow will know more than me but I believe agents and scouts tend to approach managers in any case. im hoping we can make it our first hattrick of wins today, if that happens then it would be difficult to argue about appointing him as manager/head coach, at least until the seasons end, in my opinion. UTG.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Dec 29, 2018 14:19:11 GMT
Two wins against average opposition has not suddenly turned us into a team looking good enough for the top 10. Its just two wins. Payne has scored and has at times looked like scoring,twice hitting the bar in recent games although he has not been good for us. Dc lost his job because of poor results but there will always be a link between him losing his job, signing and continuing to play nichols despite the dreadful goal return from the player. I find it strange how people get carried away after 2 wins. I don't see how anyone is getting carried away when we're 5th from bottom by 1 point. It just gives us hope. It also looks like it was very simple for DC change but his CHOICE was to pick the underperforming players and chop and change the team. We'll see tomorrow but I for one am not getting carried away, I don't see anyone else on here either. This is still potentially the best squad we've had for years maybe one striker short. We have large depth but now a fresh impetus with competition for places. We need 30 pts to be safe going by the last 5 years but the current bottom 6 are all within a few points so again like in 2014 we may need more than normal seasons. Spot on mate and I totally agree with you. Good post
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