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Post by timothyq on Dec 14, 2018 9:17:41 GMT
Next time pull a player out of non league who goes down the road, next time a star player sees out his contract and leaves on a free, next time a promising youngster goes out on loan and decides not to come back, just remember that we, as a club and as a sport, have no right to demand ‘loyalty’ from anyone.
For the best part of a decade, we bounced around between leagues 1 & 2 until our darkest day when we dropped out of the league completely. If it wasn’t for DC, I doubt we would have escaped from the conference and gods knows where we would be now. After this man rescued the club, we have dumped him after half a season which was merely ‘average’ based on our recent history. He could have left us for a bigger club half a dozen tones, now we have ducked him on the scrap heap. Absolutely disgusting.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2018 9:39:17 GMT
Next time pull a player out of non league who goes down the road, next time a star player sees out his contract and leaves on a free, next time a promising youngster goes out on loan and decides not to come back, just remember that we, as a club and as a sport, have no right to demand ‘loyalty’ from anyone. For the best part of a decade, we bounced around between leagues 1 & 2 until our darkest day when we dropped out of the league completely. If it wasn’t for DC, I doubt we would have escaped from the conference and gods knows where we would be now. After this man rescued the club, we have dumped him after half a season which was merely ‘average’ based on our recent history. He could have left us for a bigger club half a dozen tones, now we have ducked him on the scrap heap. Absolutely disgusting. If it was a perfect world then I would agree with your sentiments but it is not.football is now big money hence it is even more results orientated which is why managers get little time and looking at the results for rovers not only this season but the tail end of last together with DC's outburst last weekend I felt it was only a matter of time before the board acted |
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Post by a more piratey game on Dec 14, 2018 9:47:52 GMT
two clues were Steve Landing Lights Crazy Gang Hamer's endorsement, and then the club's editing of DC's RadBris interview, I think
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Post by npb128 on Dec 14, 2018 9:52:06 GMT
I think he'd had enough. He looked tired and out of ideas to me, clearly his signings, selections, tactics were not working. I think he wanted out, but didn't want to resign and let the fans down, or make it look like he'd walked away from a sinking ship.
I therefore think his post match Doncaster 'rant' was a calculated one - knowing he could not continue after that, and would be relieved of his duties, but not through his 'own choice' if that makes sense.
Basically, in a nutshell, I think he wanted out (for whatever reason) but didn't want to resign, but knew that saying those things in the interview would leave the board with no choice but to remove/sack/mutually agree to 'get rid' off him.
He's proved he's a great manager, and now walks away looking slightly hard done by, with two promotions on this CV. If he'd a) stayed or b) resigned, his CV would of shown either a relegation or that he quit when it got tough.
Good luck to DC and I have no doubt he'll be back in work soon - probably in League 2 or National League though, as I'm not sure a League 1 team would take the risk based on this season. If Lge 2 or Conference though, I would have confidence in his ability to get promoted back to Lge 1 level.
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Post by mangogas15 on Dec 14, 2018 9:56:06 GMT
Next time pull a player out of non league who goes down the road, next time a star player sees out his contract and leaves on a free, next time a promising youngster goes out on loan and decides not to come back, just remember that we, as a club and as a sport, have no right to demand ‘loyalty’ from anyone. For the best part of a decade, we bounced around between leagues 1 & 2 until our darkest day when we dropped out of the league completely. If it wasn’t for DC, I doubt we would have escaped from the conference and gods knows where we would be now. After this man rescued the club, we have dumped him after half a season which was merely ‘average’ based on our recent history. He could have left us for a bigger club half a dozen tones, now we have ducked him on the scrap heap. Absolutely disgusting. That's football. Look at Ranieri. Rodgers at Liverpool. |
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Dec 14, 2018 9:59:08 GMT
I agree with the sentiments of the op.
That's exactly it, they're sentiments. Based on emotion. There's absolutely nothing wrong with that.
It's what makes football unique from any other business as it draws out emotional attachment.
What has happened was a business decision, and sometimes they conflict.
If we appoint a manager that can take us out relegation zone, onwards and upwards, maybe the raw sentiments and initial feeling of op might subside?
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Post by Angas on Dec 14, 2018 10:36:34 GMT
Or, he knew it was coming and decided to speak while he still had the chance.
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Post by harrybuckle on Dec 14, 2018 11:04:13 GMT
Lets hope he got reasonable compensation as he left his mark on our Club and did what he promised got us back in the FL at the first attempt.
Good honest man and will be sadly missed. Expect him to resurface at another Club soon.
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Post by CabbagePatchBlues on Dec 14, 2018 11:07:28 GMT
You could put it this way: we gave him the chance to manage at a higher level than conference and he took it with both hands only to fail at League 1 level when h'e'd run out of contacts and ideas and started blaming the owners. Being thankful works both ways in this case. The only promise the owners made was evolution. I can't recall them promising categorically to deliver a stadium or a training ground. Anyway, if he was half the manager he thinks he is then why hasn't he managed to keep us mid table at least?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2018 11:27:03 GMT
You could put it this way: we gave him the chance to manage at a higher level than conference and he took it with both hands only to fail at League 1 level when h'e'd run out of contacts and ideas and started blaming the owners. Being thankful works both ways in this case. The only promise the owners made was evolution. I can't recall them promising categorically to deliver a stadium or a training ground. Anyway, if he was half the manager he thinks he is then why hasn't he managed to keep us mid table at least? Wael said that a new stadium was essential. Whilst that's not actually stating that it will be delivered, it kind of suggests that he regards getting the thing built as quite important, so probably on his 'To do' list. It's a long time since we heard anything at all about how his team of experts are getting on with the project. Hamer has stated a date for the training ground to be open and operational, from memory, I think it's 6 months from now. |
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Post by harrybuckle on Dec 14, 2018 11:30:31 GMT
You could put it this way: we gave him the chance to manage at a higher level than conference and he took it with both hands only to fail at League 1 level when h'e'd run out of contacts and ideas and started blaming the owners. Being thankful works both ways in this case. The only promise the owners made was evolution. I can't recall them promising categorically to deliver a stadium or a training ground. Anyway, if he was half the manager he thinks he is then why hasn't he managed to keep us mid table at least? Wael said that a new stadium was essential. Whilst that's not actually stating that it will be delivered, it kind of suggests that he regards getting the thing built as quite important, so probably on his 'To do' list. It's a long time since we heard anything at all about how his team of experts are getting on with the project. Hamer has stated a date for the training ground to be open and operational, from memory, I think it's 6 months from now. Keep up Bambi ...Hamer recently said the training ground has no funds to proceed and is mothballed and we have extended the lease at Cribbs till 2020. |
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Post by vaughan on Dec 14, 2018 11:44:13 GMT
Lee Brown made a comment that resonated with me on Having a Gas.
When asked about his best skills, he said man-management. No one has ever complimented him as a coach.
However, if his recruits do not come up to scratch, then where did he go from there?
He was a perfect fit for us. But as Philton said, he has limitations in terms of credentials and contacts that would limit his ability to go beyond L1.
A more attractive budget may have masked that.
What I will never forget is the connection he had with us. Only Gerry Francis, Olly and have emulated him in capturing the soul of this FC. He will always be admired by us.
This is why DS might as well sell now. They don't understand how to energise our fan base. Empty promises and obfuscation to a straight-forward fan base craving for hope in a 2-team city.
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Post by crater on Dec 14, 2018 12:01:42 GMT
You could put it this way: we gave him the chance to manage at a higher level than conference and he took it with both hands only to fail at League 1 level when h'e'd run out of contacts and ideas and started blaming the owners. Being thankful works both ways in this case. The only promise the owners made was evolution. I can't recall them promising categorically to deliver a stadium or a training ground. Anyway, if he was half the manager he thinks he is then why hasn't he managed to keep us mid table at least? Wael said that a new stadium was essential. Whilst that's not actually stating that it will be delivered, it kind of suggests that he regards getting the thing built as quite important, so probably on his 'To do' list. It's a long time since we heard anything at all about how his team of experts are getting on with the project. Hamer has stated a date for the training ground to be open and operational, from memory, I think it's 6 months from now. And Wael said to 20p at the start ofthe season when asked about the training ground that it would be built. No dates mentioned for completion but a categorical yes to the question when asked if the training ground would be built. It's not often you get a straight answer from Wael so thats why I remember it so clearly |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2018 12:07:49 GMT
Wael said that a new stadium was essential. Whilst that's not actually stating that it will be delivered, it kind of suggests that he regards getting the thing built as quite important, so probably on his 'To do' list. It's a long time since we heard anything at all about how his team of experts are getting on with the project. Hamer has stated a date for the training ground to be open and operational, from memory, I think it's 6 months from now. Keep up Bambi ...Hamer recently said the training ground has no funds to proceed and is mothballed and we have extended the lease at Cribbs till 2020. Harry, you've jumped from A to somewhere other than B. All I replied to was this comment; Hamer did, in fact, promise that the training ground would be open, he set a date. |
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Post by c4h10 on Dec 14, 2018 15:47:56 GMT
Wael said that a new stadium was essential. Whilst that's not actually stating that it will be delivered, it kind of suggests that he regards getting the thing built as quite important, so probably on his 'To do' list. It's a long time since we heard anything at all about how his team of experts are getting on with the project. Hamer has stated a date for the training ground to be open and operational, from memory, I think it's 6 months from now. No dates mentioned for completion but a categorical yes to the question when asked if the training ground would be built. It's not often you get a straight answer from Wael so thats why I remember it so clearly Perhaps he meant that it would be 'built on' rather than being built. That's the way I see it going. That land belongs to Dwane Sports - not Bristol Rovers. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2018 16:11:15 GMT
And Wael said to 20p at the start ofthe season when asked about the training ground that it would be built.No dates mentioned for completion but a categorical yes to the question when asked if the training ground would be built. It's not often you get a straight answer from Wael so thats why I remember it so clearly Perhaps he meant that it would be 'built on' rather than being built. That's the way I see it going. That land belongs to Dwane Sports - not Bristol Rovers. So when the accounts come out the purchase of the field will not be show on them |
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Post by kingswood Polak on Dec 15, 2018 2:05:42 GMT
I think he'd had enough. He looked tired and out of ideas to me, clearly his signings, selections, tactics were not working. I think he wanted out, but didn't want to resign and let the fans down, or make it look like he'd walked away from a sinking ship. I therefore think his post match Doncaster 'rant' was a calculated one - knowing he could not continue after that, and would be relieved of his duties, but not through his 'own choice' if that makes sense. Basically, in a nutshell, I think he wanted out (for whatever reason) but didn't want to resign, but knew that saying those things in the interview would leave the board with no choice but to remove/sack/mutually agree to 'get rid' off him. He's proved he's a great manager, and now walks away looking slightly hard done by, with two promotions on this CV. If he'd a) stayed or b) resigned, his CV would of shown either a relegation or that he quit when it got tough. Good luck to DC and I have no doubt he'll be back in work soon - probably in League 2 or National League though, as I'm not sure a League 1 team would take the risk based on this season. If Lge 2 or Conference though, I would have confidence in his ability to get promoted back to Lge 1 level. I do not think he’s that circuitous to be honest. He doesn’t have that kind of Machiavellian type of mind, I think |
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Post by droitwichgas on Dec 15, 2018 18:45:57 GMT
Perhaps he meant that it would be 'built on' rather than being built. That's the way I see it going. That land belongs to Dwane Sports - not Bristol Rovers. So when the accounts come out the purchase of the field will not be show on them How can it be when it doesn't seem to be an asset of BRFC1883, the recent pp application for the barn conversions on the land was submitted by Dwane Property Developments(?) not the club. Back to the OP I think expecting the owners and fans to be loyal to DC even if he led us to another relegation is nonsense, something went wrong last spring when DC started to loose his way, either he ran out of ideas or just lost the plot with the owners, whatever it was something had to be done by the owners for DC's own good. |
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Post by davehuddscousin on Dec 15, 2018 22:47:17 GMT
So when the accounts come out the purchase of the field will not be show on them How can it be when it doesn't seem to be an asset of BRFC1883, the recent pp application for the barn conversions on the land was submitted by Dwane Property Developments(?) not the club. Back to the OP I think expecting the owners and fans to be loyal to DC even if he led us to another relegation is nonsense, something went wrong last spring when DC started to loose his way, either he ran out of ideas or just lost the plot with the owners, whatever it was something had to be done by the owners for DC's own good. Could it be that DC was told last spring that the costs of the new CEO and London Officer were going to be taken from the playing budget? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2018 15:41:52 GMT
So when the accounts come out the purchase of the field will not be show on them How can it be when it doesn't seem to be an asset of BRFC1883, the recent pp application for the barn conversions on the land was submitted by Dwane Property Developments(?) not the club. Back to the OP I think expecting the owners and fans to be loyal to DC even if he led us to another relegation is nonsense, something went wrong last spring when DC started to loose his way, either he ran out of ideas or just lost the plot with the owners, whatever it was something had to be done by the owners for DC's own good. That is a moot point but on how everything else has been put on the loss and loss account who is to say it wont be.after all what benefit to rovers is an office in London,but it is on the accounts and not a whimper of opposition to it |
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