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Post by gasolder on Dec 13, 2018 16:37:20 GMT
Sorry. Couldn't resist it!
Presumably mutual agreement means DC has given up a chunk of his contractual entitlement.
He has made it clear that the rug has been pulled from under his feet.
Promises were clearly made which have been renegade on.
Results on the pitch have been unacceptable. We can't ignore that. But the loss and addition to the playing staff in terms of quality is clear to see
We started with a signing very early in the window. That hasn't worked out through no fault of DC.
The tall forward who was a major requirement switched to Coventry at the last minute.
The final signings were last minute panic buys by the look of it.
What l like about DC is he says what he believes. His outspoken criticism of the owner's attitude towards the Club's needs is pretty much in line with the way we as supporters feel about how our euphoria has been trampled in the mud.
The owners have acted disgracefully IMO.
DC is his own man. He doesn't act according to text book ideals.
Many years ago l was confused by the tactics of a similar awkward sod. But Alf Ramsay is history.
DC is the future. But sadly it won't be for us.
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Post by davehuddscousin on Dec 13, 2018 21:47:34 GMT
Sorry. Couldn't resist it! Presumably mutual agreement means DC has given up a chunk of his contractual entitlement. He has made it clear that the rug has been pulled from under his feet. Promises were clearly made which have been renegade on. Results on the pitch have been unacceptable. We can't ignore that. But the loss and addition to the playing staff in terms of quality is clear to see We started with a signing very early in the window. That hasn't worked out through no fault of DC. The tall forward who was a major requirement switched to Coventry at the last minute. The final signings were last minute panic buys by the look of it. What l like about DC is he says what he believes. His outspoken criticism of the owner's attitude towards the Club's needs is pretty much in line with the way we as supporters feel about how our euphoria has been trampled in the mud. The owners have acted disgracefully IMO. DC is his own man. He doesn't act according to text book ideals. Many years ago l was confused by the tactics of a similar awkward sod. But Alf Ramsay is history. DC is the future. But sadly it won't be for us. I agree with your post. DC was the best Manager we've had since Don Megson. I'm glad he spoke out and made his frustrations clear. He was made promises to get him to sign a long term contract, promises that our increasingly invisible owners had no intention of delivering on. BRFC should have invested in the team, but instead we have a paid Chairman, a CEO and a London Office - big deal, or as Ian Dury would have said "wot a waste." |
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Post by harrybuckle on Dec 13, 2018 22:39:26 GMT
Leave means leave lets have a vote of confidence on the caretaker manager after the Sunderland match.
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Post by danrory on Dec 13, 2018 23:10:24 GMT
But in a democratic society, where everyone is entitled to their views, the most democratic thing to do is let them have another vote...when they realise the reality of the bull they were peddled in the first place...
Are you listening weal?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2018 23:28:25 GMT
Sorry. Couldn't resist it! Presumably mutual agreement means DC has given up a chunk of his contractual entitlement. He has made it clear that the rug has been pulled from under his feet. Promises were clearly made which have been renegade on. Results on the pitch have been unacceptable. We can't ignore that. But the loss and addition to the playing staff in terms of quality is clear to see We started with a signing very early in the window. That hasn't worked out through no fault of DC. The tall forward who was a major requirement switched to Coventry at the last minute. The final signings were last minute panic buys by the look of it. What l like about DC is he says what he believes. His outspoken criticism of the owner's attitude towards the Club's needs is pretty much in line with the way we as supporters feel about how our euphoria has been trampled in the mud. The owners have acted disgracefully IMO. DC is his own man. He doesn't act according to text book ideals. Many years ago l was confused by the tactics of a similar awkward sod. But Alf Ramsay is history. DC is the future. But sadly it won't be for us. I agree with your post. DC was the best Manager we've had since Don Megson. I'm glad he spoke out and made his frustrations clear. He was made promises to get him to sign a long term contract, promises that our increasingly invisible owners had no intention of delivering on. BRFC should have invested in the team, but instead we have a paid Chairman, a CEO and a London Office - big deal, or as Ian Dury would have said "wot a waste." Did you hear our ex-manager saying last weekend that his budget had been increased for this season? Moving forward, at least whoever comes in won't be taken in by stories about a new stadium. What's the date that Crazy Steve Hamer said the training ground would be operational, June 2019 wasn't it. Best get up there with some gardening tools Steve, you've got some work to do Matey. |
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Dec 14, 2018 9:08:44 GMT
But in a democratic society, where everyone is entitled to their views, the most democratic thing to do is let them have another vote...when they realise the reality of the bull they were peddled in the first place... Are you listening weal? I agree with another vote. ....in another 40 odd years, just like when we realised the bull we were peddled in the 70s. Democracy is also about the implementation of the majority that voted. |
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Post by gasolder on Dec 15, 2018 9:04:59 GMT
To the future.
We are looking for a new manager.
Do we really need to take on board one of the journeymen who have been employed and sacked as they have done the rounds.
We are Bristol Rovers!!
We are a club owned by cheapskates!!
Only cheap options considered.
We have an option within the club who will cost the owners nothing more as he is on the payroll already. A loyal club man who has the personality and probably the talent to be accepted by our fans.
Lee Mansell is our man!!!
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Post by davehuddscousin on Dec 15, 2018 22:48:18 GMT
Leave means leave lets have a vote of confidence on the caretaker manager after the Sunderland match. That'll be a 'no' then? |
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Post by davehuddscousin on Dec 15, 2018 22:50:50 GMT
To the future. We are looking for a new manager. Do we really need to take on board one of the journeymen who have been employed and sacked as they have done the rounds. We are Bristol Rovers!! We are a club owned by cheapskates!! Only cheap options considered. We have an option within the club who will cost the owners nothing more as he is on the payroll already. A loyal club man who has the personality and probably the talent to be accepted by our fans. Lee Mansell is our man!!! Lee Mansell would not be such a bad idea, certainly better than Steve bloody Cotterill! However I would prefer Robbie Fowler, he's got the drive and determination, not to mention the contacts and the coaching badges. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2018 22:53:16 GMT
To the future. We are looking for a new manager. Do we really need to take on board one of the journeymen who have been employed and sacked as they have done the rounds. We are Bristol Rovers!! We are a club owned by cheapskates!! Only cheap options considered. We have an option within the club who will cost the owners nothing more as he is on the payroll already. A loyal club man who has the personality and probably the talent to be accepted by our fans. Lee Mansell is our man!!! Good thinking, recruit from within. With Darrell and Marcus gone and no new wages to pay they could get an office upgrade, or maybe one in Liverpool, there are 2 PL teams there so it must be a good idea. Then we can sack a few more people and set one up in Manchester, then shut the club shop, that'll get a couple more people off of the payroll then we could expand our office empire into Glasgow. |
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Post by Captain Jayho on Dec 16, 2018 6:18:21 GMT
To the future. We are looking for a new manager. Do we really need to take on board one of the journeymen who have been employed and sacked as they have done the rounds. We are Bristol Rovers!! We are a club owned by cheapskates!! Only cheap options considered. We have an option within the club who will cost the owners nothing more as he is on the payroll already. A loyal club man who has the personality and probably the talent to be accepted by our fans. Lee Mansell is our man!!! Lee Mansell would not be such a bad idea, certainly better than Steve bloody Cotterill! However I would prefer Robbie Fowler, he's got the drive and determination, not to mention the contacts and the coaching badges. I'm not sure about Fowler. Watching that soccer am piece he didn't look that driven to me. I felt more like he considered it a bit of a pastime that he might enjoy for a while before moving on to something else. Hard to tell in the confines of soccer am of course as the pressure is on to get laughs so I could easily have misread it. Wasn't convinced though. He felt like the complete opposite of DC's down to earth approach and connection with the average fan. |
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Post by Gregory Stevens on Dec 16, 2018 8:33:46 GMT
But in a democratic society, where everyone is entitled to their views, the most democratic thing to do is let them have another vote...when they realise the reality of the bull they were peddled in the first place... Are you listening weal? Didn’t George Osborne promise an “emergency budget within weeks of a leave vote?” Didn’t Clegg announce 3 million job losses in the wake of a leave vote? Some people have selective reading, funny how that happens when you lose and you know the establishments on your side and you might get another chance to win, at all costs. The people’s vote really shows people up for what they are - devoid of morality and happy to cheat to win |
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Dec 16, 2018 8:36:28 GMT
But in a democratic society, where everyone is entitled to their views, the most democratic thing to do is let them have another vote...when they realise the reality of the bull they were peddled in the first place... Are you listening weal? Didn’t George Osborne promise an “emergency budget within weeks of a leave vote?” Didn’t Clegg announce 3 million job losses in the wake of a leave vote? Some people have selective reading, funny how that happens when you lose and you know the establishments on your side and you might get another chance to win, at all costs. The people’s vote really shows people up for what they are - devoid of morality and happy to cheat to win In other words, a dictatorship. |
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Post by harrybuckle on Dec 16, 2018 9:10:30 GMT
But in a democratic society, where everyone is entitled to their views, the most democratic thing to do is let them have another vote...when they realise the reality of the bull they were peddled in the first place... Are you listening weal? Didn’t George Osborne promise an “emergency budget within weeks of a leave vote?” Didn’t Clegg announce 3 million job losses in the wake of a leave vote? Some people have selective reading, funny how that happens when you lose and you know the establishments on your side and you might get another chance to win, at all costs. The people’s vote really shows people up for what they are - devoid of morality and happy to cheat to win So if May’s deal doesn’t get through parliament, let those calling for another referendum have their way and put it back to the people… BUT … because the country has already voted to leave the EU, the only two choices on the ballot paper should be ‘HOW’ we leave, ie, either May’s deal or WTO (no deal). This would honour the result of the referendum whilst also providing a democratic choice of how we leave. |
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Post by eppinggas on Dec 16, 2018 9:53:13 GMT
Didn’t George Osborne promise an “emergency budget within weeks of a leave vote?” Didn’t Clegg announce 3 million job losses in the wake of a leave vote? Some people have selective reading, funny how that happens when you lose and you know the establishments on your side and you might get another chance to win, at all costs. The people’s vote really shows people up for what they are - devoid of morality and happy to cheat to win So if May’s deal doesn’t get through parliament, let those calling for another referendum have their way and put it back to the people… BUT … because the country has already voted to leave the EU, the only two choices on the ballot paper should be ‘HOW’ we leave, ie, either May’s deal or WTO (no deal). This would honour the result of the referendum whilst also providing a democratic choice of how we leave. That is a fair point Harry. Cue lots of screaming from the liberals. The powers that be would never allow that particular binary option. However introducing a third option "stay in the EU as we are" would be interesting. How would that pan out? I would guess no-one votes for May's deal and leave gets 51.9% and remain gets 48.1%. Best of five anyone? :-) |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2018 10:01:13 GMT
So if May’s deal doesn’t get through parliament, let those calling for another referendum have their way and put it back to the people… BUT … because the country has already voted to leave the EU, the only two choices on the ballot paper should be ‘HOW’ we leave, ie, either May’s deal or WTO (no deal). This would honour the result of the referendum whilst also providing a democratic choice of how we leave. That is a fair point Harry. Cue lots of screaming from the liberals. The powers that be would never allow that particular binary option. However introducing a third option "stay in the EU as we are" would be interesting. How would that pan out? I would guess no-one votes for May's deal and leave gets 51.9% and remain gets 48.1%. Best of five anyone? :-) You then get 48% of people saying that the question was flawed, lies were told. It would be said that voters have died and because of the way in which votes were cast within age groups, if the vote were held again today the result would be different, therefore the result is no longer a democratic representation. And it never ends. Jordan Petersen talks about this in his usual calm, well informed way. If you haven't already, spend a few mins checking what he says on governing by referendum. |
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Post by eppinggas on Dec 16, 2018 10:22:03 GMT
Listening to Andrew Marr, sounds like "Parliament" is moving to the idea of a 2nd referendum as politicians can't unblock the impasse themselves. Of course Parliament is largely remain so that referendum options will be geared to deliver the 'right result' this time. Too many thickos voted Leave and they are all racists - right?
As you say - government by referendum is fundamentally flawed.
But if we're going that way - can't wait for the one on Capital punishment.
In fact f*ck it. The technology exists for every person to vote on everything. The Parliament App. Delivering democracy on a daily basis.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2018 10:59:15 GMT
In fact f*ck it. The technology exists for every person to vote on everything. The Parliament App. Delivering democracy on a daily basis. Exactly Petersen's point, how do you know when circumstance or opinion has changed sufficiently to render the previous result invalid. |
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Dec 16, 2018 12:37:21 GMT
So if May’s deal doesn’t get through parliament, let those calling for another referendum have their way and put it back to the people… BUT … because the country has already voted to leave the EU, the only two choices on the ballot paper should be ‘HOW’ we leave, ie, either May’s deal or WTO (no deal). This would honour the result of the referendum whilst also providing a democratic choice of how we leave. That is a fair point Harry. Cue lots of screaming from the liberals. The powers that be would never allow that particular binary option. However introducing a third option "stay in the EU as we are" would be interesting. How would that pan out? I would guess no-one votes for May's deal and leave gets 51.9% and remain gets 48.1%. Best of five anyone? :-) You can't have 3 options in a referendum, with one of the options to remain and just forget it as in effect, that's a divide and conquer agenda. Logic would dictate 48% remain losers and the 52% split in some way, thus always giving the 48% highest percentage. How can a minority demand another election to make it more democratic?! |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2018 12:48:21 GMT
That is a fair point Harry. Cue lots of screaming from the liberals. The powers that be would never allow that particular binary option. However introducing a third option "stay in the EU as we are" would be interesting. How would that pan out? I would guess no-one votes for May's deal and leave gets 51.9% and remain gets 48.1%. Best of five anyone? :-) You can't have 3 options in a referendum, with one of the options to remain and just forget it as in effect, that's a divide and conquer agenda. Logic would dictate 48% remain losers and the 52% split in some way, thus always giving the 48% highest percentage. How can a minority demand another election to make it more democratic?!They are outside of Westminster, shouting like children and waving flags every day, go and ask them  |
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