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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2018 15:51:54 GMT
KP Most of that is nonsense. Some of it is OK. The losses are huge. The bit that I disagree with most is the part about employing experts, that's the right way to do things, surround yourself with people who are better than you are at doing the job, the problem is, we don't seem to have any output from Wael's army of experts. As far as we know, on experts. The cash flow losses are huge. But I get frustrated with fans who moan about this. Money, lots of it, has gone into coaching. Lots of it has gone into player development below first team. They have looked at the non football management structure and employed accordingly. (We can debate quality) How are we ever going to be sustainable on the playing field without those sorts of expenditure? If we live within our cash flow, incur no debts, where might we be?.
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Post by swissgas on Sept 28, 2018 16:23:01 GMT
Some of it is OK. The losses are huge. The bit that I disagree with most is the part about employing experts, that's the right way to do things, surround yourself with people who are better than you are at doing the job, the problem is, we don't seem to have any output from Wael's army of experts. As far as we know, on experts. The cash flow losses are huge. But I get frustrated with fans who moan about this. Money, lots of it, has gone into coaching. Lots of it has gone into player development below first team. They have looked at the non football management structure and employed accordingly. (We can debate quality) How are we ever going to be sustainable on the playing field without those sorts of expenditure? If we live within our cash flow, incur no debts, where might we be?. Oldie I should love to stay and debate this with you but my local is running a special today. Kraft cheese slices and Bud Light.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2018 17:11:17 GMT
Some of it is OK. The losses are huge. The bit that I disagree with most is the part about employing experts, that's the right way to do things, surround yourself with people who are better than you are at doing the job, the problem is, we don't seem to have any output from Wael's army of experts. As far as we know, on experts. The cash flow losses are huge. But I get frustrated with fans who moan about this. Money, lots of it, has gone into coaching. Lots of it has gone into player development below first team. They have looked at the non football management structure and employed accordingly. (We can debate quality) How are we ever going to be sustainable on the playing field without those sorts of expenditure? If we live within our cash flow, incur no debts, where might we be?. So what output exactly has this investment yielded? We've rebranded the youth team, and? Let's not pretend that nobody ever came through the ranks previously, let's take a proper look and see what benefit the club has from this rebranding exercise. Ummmm, so far, none.....
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Post by Cheshiregas on Sept 28, 2018 19:13:25 GMT
As far as we know, on experts. The cash flow losses are huge. But I get frustrated with fans who moan about this. Money, lots of it, has gone into coaching. Lots of it has gone into player development below first team. They have looked at the non football management structure and employed accordingly. (We can debate quality) How are we ever going to be sustainable on the playing field without those sorts of expenditure? If we live within our cash flow, incur no debts, where might we be?. Oldie I should love to stay and debate this with you but my local is running a special today. Kraft cheese slices and Bud Light. Swiss if that makes your day you need to get out more....
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Post by Cheshiregas on Sept 28, 2018 19:17:52 GMT
These owners were, as far as I recall, universally welcomed. Any negativity is a direct result of their words and actions.I disagree with that part Bamber... A lot of gossip and whispering is being done by people who lost out from the takeover. Mainly free tickets, board room influence, a seat at the top table and gossip. The AQs are poor at communication and indeed if they aren't going to invest then they should get out. However most of the noise about at the moment is speculation and stirring the pot. There may be some truth but we aren't going to find out with all the made up crap that is doing the rounds.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2018 19:24:46 GMT
As far as we know, on experts. The cash flow losses are huge. But I get frustrated with fans who moan about this. Money, lots of it, has gone into coaching. Lots of it has gone into player development below first team. They have looked at the non football management structure and employed accordingly. (We can debate quality) How are we ever going to be sustainable on the playing field without those sorts of expenditure? If we live within our cash flow, incur no debts, where might we be?. So what output exactly has this investment yielded? We've rebranded the youth team, and? Let's not pretend that nobody ever came through the ranks previously, let's take a proper look and see what benefit the club has from this rebranding exercise. Ummmm, so far, none..... The development squad is different to the previous situation,its a bridge between the academy and the first team which we never had before last season[you probably know that really]. Its too early for any fair minded person to judge its success yet but michael kelly has impressed in his outings with the first team so far. Do you want it scrapped? This is what i dont get, people demanding progress but hammering even the obvious progressions the club have made.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2018 19:42:11 GMT
These owners were, as far as I recall, universally welcomed. Any negativity is a direct result of their words and actions.I disagree with that part Bamber... A lot of gossip and whispering is being done by people who lost out from the takeover. Mainly free tickets, board room influence, a seat at the top table and gossip. The AQs are poor at communication and indeed if they aren't going to invest then they should get out. However most of the noise about at the moment is speculation and stirring the pot. There may be some truth but we aren't going to find out with all the made up crap that is doing the rounds. When they arrived everybody I know was happy. What boardroom influence, Higgs ran the show on his own terms, didn't he? I don't know for sure what's happening, sometimes people like to say stuff, just because they can't admit that they know nothing. The funny thing is, the more people are saying, the less likely I think it is that anything is actually happening.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2018 19:50:17 GMT
So what output exactly has this investment yielded? We've rebranded the youth team, and? Let's not pretend that nobody ever came through the ranks previously, let's take a proper look and see what benefit the club has from this rebranding exercise. Ummmm, so far, none..... The development squad is different to the previous situation,its a bridge between the academy and the first team which we never had before last season[you probably know that really]. Its too early for any fair minded person to judge its success yet but michael kelly has impressed in his outings with the first team so far. Do you want it scrapped? This is what i dont get, people demanding progress but hammering even the obvious progressions the club have made. So, youngsters who are good enough make the grade. Don't tell other clubs, they'll all copy our new ground breaking system. I don't know if it should be scrapped, we would need to understand the output, over and above the previous system, and balance that against any increase in expense. We had youngsters coming through previously, some stayed, some played for 30 seconds and were last seen banging goals in for the champions of Scotland.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Sept 29, 2018 11:00:43 GMT
This is not an I told you so post but I had my misgivings about them from day 1. I warned friends not to be boastful and that we had to wait & see. We were the ALQ”s second choice, or shoukd I say Waels second choice ? Gillingham owner knocked them back. The badge kissing made me nauseas as did the manmy many selfies & Waels pretence. His desperation in attempting to be one of the boys & happily taking credit for promotions. I once warned him, in a private twitter chat, of the speed things & opinions can and do change and he replied along the lines of I can take it as I understand football very well. Seems that now he has had some questions asked, he is quickly withdrawing from social media. I wish him no ill will but I always felt there was huge naivety in him. Lets face it, he was blagging it all the while. Most people who professed to know football so well would not have need to hire as many experts but I fear that was nothing but a smokescreen. It takes some doing to come into a club and more than double the losses. KP Most of that is nonsense. It’s your right to opine on my post. I just say it as I see it oldie
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Post by vaughan on Sept 29, 2018 11:06:20 GMT
I was watching the Ryder Cup highlights and was impressed by the quality of temporary stands on view.
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Post by Peter Parker on Sept 29, 2018 11:14:08 GMT
I was watching the Ryder Cup highlights and was impressed by the quality of temporary stands on view. Pah, didnt put a roof on half of it
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Post by kingswood Polak on Sept 29, 2018 11:14:41 GMT
KP Most of that is nonsense. Some of it is OK. The losses are huge. The bit that I disagree with most is the part about employing experts, that's the right way to do things, surround yourself with people who are better than you are at doing the job, the problem is, we don't seem to have any output from Wael's army of experts. BUT, what have those experts done ? They seem to arrive with a fanfare but leave with no one knowing. We have had planning experts apparently either miss or not put in plans that our chairman gave pretty specific timelines for. Someine said that there is a specific reason why the mythical training ground has not progressed, if so then please tell us so that we then don’t go poking them about the dates given. Staying quiet only makes it much easier for those of us that expect words to translate into action. It would seem even our manager & players are in the dark as DC had the players out there, clearing up faeces and I know this to be true. It’s affecting the manager & team.
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Post by Colyton Gas. on Sept 29, 2018 11:20:46 GMT
Looking at Wolves training set up on lunchtime TV to-day,it's a different world.Major ground improvements planned as they have a waiting list for season tickets of over 2000.Also near here are Stoke who Wolves replaced in the Prem effectively They are playing Rotherham to-day and are struggling.Fortunes change quickly in football but we more than held our own at Molineux last season.Parts was brill.Shame he's so injury prone.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2018 13:33:28 GMT
Some of it is OK. The losses are huge. The bit that I disagree with most is the part about employing experts, that's the right way to do things, surround yourself with people who are better than you are at doing the job, the problem is, we don't seem to have any output from Wael's army of experts. BUT, what have those experts done ? They seem to arrive with a fanfare but leave with no one knowing. We have had planning experts apparently either miss or not put in plans that our chairman gave pretty specific timelines for. Someine said that there is a specific reason why the mythical training ground has not progressed, if so then please tell us so that we then don’t go poking them about the dates given. Staying quiet only makes it much easier for those of us that expect words to translate into action. It would seem even our manager & players are in the dark as DC had the players out there, clearing up faeces and I know this to be true. It’s affecting the manager & team. We agree. See my other posts questioning what the output is from these experts, or from Gorringe, and whether they justify the investment. I'll give you an example, these season cards, good, about time, however, are they recording attendance of each individual at each event, or are they just being used as proximity sensors and nothing else. I wasn't asked to produce mine when buying in the club shop, so no attempt is being made to create a record of customer activity, that, sadly, most likely gives us the answer. This stuff isn't difficult, Gorringe really ought to be on top of it. Sure, we need to move on from being run like a car boot sale, but it just doesn't feel as if what's happening is being co-ordinated by anybody. They had all summer to get the bars sorted, but there were people running around with pots of paint etc 20 mins before the doors were due to open, it's classic Rovers, nobody seems to be in charge of anything.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Sept 29, 2018 13:56:47 GMT
BUT, what have those experts done ? They seem to arrive with a fanfare but leave with no one knowing. We have had planning experts apparently either miss or not put in plans that our chairman gave pretty specific timelines for. Someine said that there is a specific reason why the mythical training ground has not progressed, if so then please tell us so that we then don’t go poking them about the dates given. Staying quiet only makes it much easier for those of us that expect words to translate into action. It would seem even our manager & players are in the dark as DC had the players out there, clearing up faeces and I know this to be true. It’s affecting the manager & team. We agree. See my other posts questioning what the output is from these experts, or from Gorringe, and whether they justify the investment. I'll give you an example, these season cards, good, about time, however, are they recording attendance of each individual at each event, or are they just being used as proximity sensors and nothing else. I wasn't asked to produce mine when buying in the club shop, so no attempt is being made to create a record of customer activity, that, sadly, most likely gives us the answer. This stuff isn't difficult, Gorringe really ought to be on top of it. Sure, we need to move on from being run like a car boot sale, but it just doesn't feel as if what's happening is being co-ordinated by anybody. They had all summer to get the bars sorted, but there were people running around with pots of paint etc 20 mins before the doors were due to open, it's classic Rovers, nobody seems to be in charge of anything. I think you're being a bit unfair there, Bambi. First of all, it's a credit to the club to get anything up together in the form of getting the bars sorted. As I understand it, the cost to the club has been kept to a minimum because Gorringe negotiated a deal with Thatchers and Butcombe to get both refurbished. It was good to go at start of season, looks pretty good, is widely regarded as improvement and deserves positive feedback abd credit where it's due. Whether it was 20minutes or 20days is irrelevant, neither here nor there, and smats of someone trying to find anything negative out of anything positive the club try to do. With regards to the electronic turnstiles, I'm sure Gorringe has said publicly this is an ongoing situation. So, whilst what you say might be the case now, I'm sure in near future all those points will be addressed. And further, some may not like that way the club is going, but it does open up more marketing opportunities and information control that can be analysed as to where trends are going and in which areas the club can exploit the fanbase. My overall idea is nothing is pretentious, pompous or above our heads. The change we see is us cutting our cloth accordingly. It's a little at a time to get used to something, then move another step up soon after. I like that. It's moving the right direction in the right way, I totally get not fast enough for some, too quick for others, but ultimately we have more to be positive about today than ever before.. If we can just get it right consistently on the pitch, our support will galvanise naturally.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2018 14:04:19 GMT
We agree. See my other posts questioning what the output is from these experts, or from Gorringe, and whether they justify the investment. I'll give you an example, these season cards, good, about time, however, are they recording attendance of each individual at each event, or are they just being used as proximity sensors and nothing else. I wasn't asked to produce mine when buying in the club shop, so no attempt is being made to create a record of customer activity, that, sadly, most likely gives us the answer. This stuff isn't difficult, Gorringe really ought to be on top of it. Sure, we need to move on from being run like a car boot sale, but it just doesn't feel as if what's happening is being co-ordinated by anybody. They had all summer to get the bars sorted, but there were people running around with pots of paint etc 20 mins before the doors were due to open, it's classic Rovers, nobody seems to be in charge of anything. I think you're being a bit unfair there, Bambi. First of all, it's a credit to the club to get anything up together in the form of getting the bars sorted. As I understand it, the cost to the club has been kept to a minimum because Gorringe negotiated a deal with Thatchers and Butcombe to get both refurbished. It was good to go at start of season, looks pretty good, is widely regarded as improvement and deserves positive feedback abd credit where it's due. Whether it was 20minutes or 20days is irrelevant, neither here nor there, and smats of someone trying to find anything negative out of anything positive the club try to do. With regards to the electronic turnstiles, I'm sure Gorringe has said publicly this is an ongoing situation. So, whilst what you say might be the case now, I'm sure in near future all those points will be addressed. And further, some may not like that way the club is going, but it does open up more marketing opportunities and information control that can be analysed as to where trends are going and in which areas the club can exploit the fanbase. My overall idea is nothing is pretentious, pompous or above our heads. The change we see is us cutting our cloth accordingly. It's a little at a time to get used to something, then move another step up soon after. I like that. It's moving the right direction in the right way, I totally get not fast enough for some, too quick for others, but ultimately we have more to be positive about today than ever before.. If we can just get it right consistently on the pitch, our support will galvanise naturally. It very much matters if you don't have a plan to complete projects in good time and manage them to hit the deadlines. As for CRM, it's hardly cutting edge stuff, we are at least 20 years behind with this stuff. It's simple to integrate into the tills that we have. Gorringe insisted on a new ticketing system, so you tell me, which benefits the club most, that ticketing system or direct communication and managing customer activity? Nothing personal with the man, it's just that he looks like a young man who thinks he has answers for everything and is running around at 100mph not getting anything quite right.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Sept 29, 2018 14:14:12 GMT
I think you're being a bit unfair there, Bambi. First of all, it's a credit to the club to get anything up together in the form of getting the bars sorted. As I understand it, the cost to the club has been kept to a minimum because Gorringe negotiated a deal with Thatchers and Butcombe to get both refurbished. It was good to go at start of season, looks pretty good, is widely regarded as improvement and deserves positive feedback abd credit where it's due. Whether it was 20minutes or 20days is irrelevant, neither here nor there, and smats of someone trying to find anything negative out of anything positive the club try to do. With regards to the electronic turnstiles, I'm sure Gorringe has said publicly this is an ongoing situation. So, whilst what you say might be the case now, I'm sure in near future all those points will be addressed. And further, some may not like that way the club is going, but it does open up more marketing opportunities and information control that can be analysed as to where trends are going and in which areas the club can exploit the fanbase. My overall idea is nothing is pretentious, pompous or above our heads. The change we see is us cutting our cloth accordingly. It's a little at a time to get used to something, then move another step up soon after. I like that. It's moving the right direction in the right way, I totally get not fast enough for some, too quick for others, but ultimately we have more to be positive about today than ever before.. If we can just get it right consistently on the pitch, our support will galvanise naturally. It very much matters if you don't have a plan to complete projects in good time and manage them to hit the deadlines. As for CRM, it's hardly cutting edge stuff, we are at least 20 years behind with this stuff. It's simple to integrate into the tills that we have. Gorringe insisted on a new ticketing system, so you tell me, which benefits the club most, that ticketing system or direct communication and managing customer activity? Nothing personal with the man, it's just that he looks like a young man who thinks he has answers for everything and is running around at 100mph not getting anything quite right. I honestly don't know it's a simple to integrate in tills like you say, if you are knowledgeable on the subject then I give way to your expertise on the subject. As far as answering your question, the club should never lose direct communication with it's customers and managing activity is closely related to that. If negotiation with Thatchers Butcombe and Macron to refurbish the bars and shop with cost to us kept at a minimum isn't getting it quite right, what is it?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2018 15:34:41 GMT
That is why I maintain UWE was a good deal for Bristol Rovers, but a bad one for Dwane Sports and outside investors. I think Kevin Spencer was of this opinion as well. No he wasn't.
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Post by Peter Parker on Sept 29, 2018 16:09:56 GMT
It very much matters if you don't have a plan to complete projects in good time and manage them to hit the deadlines. As for CRM, it's hardly cutting edge stuff, we are at least 20 years behind with this stuff. It's simple to integrate into the tills that we have. Gorringe insisted on a new ticketing system, so you tell me, which benefits the club most, that ticketing system or direct communication and managing customer activity? Nothing personal with the man, it's just that he looks like a young man who thinks he has answers for everything and is running around at 100mph not getting anything quite right. I honestly don't know it's a simple to integrate in tills like you say, if you are knowledgeable on the subject then I give way to your expertise on the subject. As far as answering your question, the club should never lose direct communication with it's customers and managing activity is closely related to that. If negotiation with Thatchers Butcombe and Macron to refurbish the bars and shop with cost to us kept at a minimum isn't getting it quite right, what is it? At least Tom G is running around, instead of no one wandering around doing nothing. Can things be better on that front, of course they are but Mr Gorringe doesnt and hasnt struck me as someone to settle. He seems to want to improve what he can, as best he can within the limits of The Mem stadium and always seems receptive to communocations. When he moves on, I am sure he will leave The Mem or anoter stadium in a better state then what it was or what it probably wouod have been
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Post by swissgas on Sept 29, 2018 18:03:16 GMT
Oldie I should love to stay and debate this with you but my local is running a special today. Kraft cheese slices and Bud Light. Swiss if that makes your day you need to get out more.... We used to have a British Pub here but sadly it closed last year. It has been alleged that my (age related) capacity reduction was a contributing factor.
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