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Post by bs5 on May 14, 2018 16:53:01 GMT
Did all you "wanters" use the Wetherspoons in Cheltenham Road? Seemingly not enough. yes I used to go in The Magic Box a bit of a walk from the Mem so your argument falls flat
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Post by bs5 on May 14, 2018 16:54:34 GMT
another won’t hurt then will it? Good reply. Just make every outlet a pub, then the moronic masses can stagger from one doorway to the next go get their fix. Super. dont get out much do you?
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Post by dido on May 14, 2018 17:10:41 GMT
yes I used to go in The Magic Box a bit of a walk from the Mem so your argument falls flat A bit of a walk! The time it takes to order and 'enjoy' that last unnecessary pint. Plus you'll live longer (good for your health) and so enjoy more Rovers matches and more pints in the long run. Win, win.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2018 17:13:32 GMT
Good reply. Just make every outlet a pub, then the moronic masses can stagger from one doorway to the next go get their fix. Super. dont get out much do you? Enough to know that people who have been drinking alcohol aren't very nice to be around.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2018 18:58:31 GMT
Local pubs aren't going under because of weatherspoons they are going under because they charge silly money for an average pint. E.G. the old mill in portishead has just closed would charging £4.50 for a pint of 4% carlsberg have anything to do with this some pub companies need to learn the hard way but they never learn that's the problem. As a footnote aqua in portishead charge £5 for a pint of peroni a restaurant I grant you but still London prices. Tim weatherspoon must sleep well at night with all this nonsense going on.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2018 20:11:24 GMT
Local pubs aren't going under because of weatherspoons they are going under because they charge silly money for an average pint. E.G. the old mill in portishead has just closed would charging £4.50 for a pint of 4% carlsberg have anything to do with this some pub companies need to learn the hard way but they never learn that's the problem. As a footnote aqua in portishead charge £5 for a pint of peroni a restaurant I grant you but still London prices. Tim weatherspoon must sleep well at night with all this nonsense going on. Terrible Tim Witherspoon was the founder of the Wetherspoon chain? Berlimey! Just one question, who is this Weatherspoon character?
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2018 20:52:58 GMT
Local pubs aren't going under because of weatherspoons they are going under because they charge silly money for an average pint. E.G. the old mill in portishead has just closed would charging £4.50 for a pint of 4% carlsberg have anything to do with this some pub companies need to learn the hard way but they never learn that's the problem. As a footnote aqua in portishead charge £5 for a pint of peroni a restaurant I grant you but still London prices. Tim weatherspoon must sleep well at night with all this nonsense going on. Terrible Tim Witherspoon was the founder of the Wetherspoon chain? Berlimey! Just one question, who is this Weatherspoon character? Yes your local may charge A LOT MORE! ever thought why? well let me tell you. A lot of people have put hard earned cash into trying and saving their local hostelry. The thing is the most popular way is something called a lease. You take charge of the building and it's upkeep whilst tied to certain products and their pricing structure. All goes well at first but the minute you turn the place around and start to make money, that is when the trouble starts. In our first year in the pub trade we increased (through hard work) a massive 82% upturn in trade, the second year we increased it by a further 21%, the third year is when the problems started. We were hit with a 50% rent rise. What they wait for is the first failed payment then pounce, ready to catch the next culprit. We were very lucky because as we got close to our three year point I was a senior member of a group that help fellow licence holders fight back against pubco's along with some very good MPs. The reason why we were lucky is our BDM knew this and wanted rid of quickly, we got back our 20k plus. The reason the pubco gave was it was given on compassionate reasons due to our daughters health, we know the real reason. I have had the pleasure of meeting Tim, and whilst I do not fully like his business model it is good. In the early years he would bulk buy beers and lagers that only had a week or two shelf life and sell them cheaply, as he grew he could ask for even more lifetime and cheaper deals. As somebody has already said the day of the local pub has gone (no matter if it is tied or not) unless it can do something else. We were recently in London in what from the outside looked like a crap horrible pub, but something caught my eye, the amount of people going in and out. It actually turned out to be a fantastic night! £3.75 for peroni, £3.00 for London Pride in a pub full of automatic darts games. Tim has been lucky, he knows old drinking pubs with no Tv's etc are on the way out he has filled the gap.
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Post by tauntongas on May 14, 2018 20:59:15 GMT
Not always true. Pubs need to find their niche in the market, the Flower Pot tried to carry on as just a Pub. You can't just flog pints any more, because if people want a beer they'll stay in or go to a Spoons. You need to offer something else, be that sport, cheap food, good food, good booze or entertainment. Bad pubs are effected by Spoons, not good ones. indeed. take Staple Hill for example. You have the Wetherspoons there, but also The Mail House, Red Lion, King Billy, Portcullis, Bar 501 even down to The Crown.
They all seem to keep going despite the Wetehrspoons
Exactly this. With a Wetherspoons, you know exactly what you will get: Cheap booze (if you want it) and average (but consistent) food (if you want it). If you wish to trade in an area where a Wetherspoons is present, you need to be good at what you do. In Taunton, we have two Wetherspoons. Neither offer anything extraordinary; however, if you want a pint of Guinnness and a steak for ~£10, here is your place. Despite this, there are many boozers in the vicinity which thrive and offer a much more diverse setting and atmosphere than a 'Spoons. How do they manage to do this? Because they focus on something like traditional atmosphere or better clientele, or quality food, or maintaining a diverse drinks range - and they do it well. Anything sub-par just turns the 'high street drinker' straight back to the chain pubs. It is not a difficult equation to get your head around.
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Post by a more piratey game on May 14, 2018 22:30:09 GMT
indeed. take Staple Hill for example. You have the Wetherspoons there, but also The Mail House, Red Lion, King Billy, Portcullis, Bar 501 even down to The Crown.
They all seem to keep going despite the Wetehrspoons
Exactly this. With a Wetherspoons, you know exactly what you will get: Cheap booze (if you want it) and average (but consistent) food (if you want it). If you wish to trade in an area where a Wetherspoons is present, you need to be good at what you do. In Taunton, we have two Wetherspoons. Neither offer anything extraordinary; however, if you want a pint of Guinnness and a steak for ~£10, here is your place. Despite this, there are many boozers in the vicinity which thrive and offer a much more diverse setting and atmosphere than a 'Spoons. How do they manage to do this? Because they focus on something like traditional atmosphere or better clientele, or quality food, or maintaining a diverse drinks range - and they do it well. Anything sub-par just turns the 'high street drinker' straight back to the chain pubs. It is not a difficult equation to get your head around. got to agree my 2 sons go to the local Spoons, as do all their friends. They are young and cash-poor, so it suits them. It means that they don't go in the 'better' pub, where I go, which suits me. Well, sometimes they do but not often everyone happy
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Post by irishrover on May 15, 2018 11:07:16 GMT
Local pubs aren't going under because of weatherspoons they are going under because they charge silly money for an average pint. E.G. the old mill in portishead has just closed would charging £4.50 for a pint of 4% carlsberg have anything to do with this some pub companies need to learn the hard way but they never learn that's the problem. As a footnote aqua in portishead charge £5 for a pint of peroni a restaurant I grant you but still London prices. Tim weatherspoon must sleep well at night with all this nonsense going on. Terrible Tim Witherspoon was the founder of the Wetherspoon chain? Berlimey! Just one question, who is this Weatherspoon character? I thought the whole point was that the guy who founded Weatherspoon's named it after a teacher at school who had told him that he would never amount to anything. I'm ambivalent on Weatherspoon's. It's cheap supermarket booze (the real health danger) and changing habits that have done for many old school local pub, not Spoon's. On the other hand they are pretty boring sterile places on the whole. On the 3rd even more contradictory hand they often do a good job in keeping interesting buildings open for public access that otherwise would probably have become either posh restaurants or offices. The Commercial Rooms being an example of that. On the whole they are better than a lot of other chain pubs that do have places on Gloucester Road - I'd probably rather they replaced one of those really.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2018 14:54:38 GMT
Terrible Tim Witherspoon was the founder of the Wetherspoon chain? Berlimey! Just one question, who is this Weatherspoon character? I thought the whole point was that the guy who founded Weatherspoon's named it after a teacher at school who had told him that he would never amount to anything. I'm ambivalent on Weatherspoon's. It's cheap supermarket booze (the real health danger) and changing habits that have done for many old school local pub, not Spoon's. On the other hand they are pretty boring sterile places on the whole. On the 3rd even more contradictory hand they often do a good job in keeping interesting buildings open for public access that otherwise would probably have become either posh restaurants or offices. The Commercial Rooms being an example of that. On the whole they are better than a lot of other chain pubs that do have places on Gloucester Road - I'd probably rather they replaced one of those really. NO NO NO!!!! Kegan has got you at it now as well! It's not Weatherspoons, it's called Wetherspoon. With spelling like that you'll never amount to anything young Man. Looking forward to a chain of ant hospitals, or maybe mail order dehydrated water supplies business, named after your old best mate Bamber.
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Post by Gregory Stevens on May 15, 2018 19:48:17 GMT
Terrible Tim Witherspoon was the founder of the Wetherspoon chain? Berlimey! Just one question, who is this Weatherspoon character? Yes your local may charge A LOT MORE! ever thought why? well let me tell you. A lot of people have put hard earned cash into trying and saving their local hostelry. The thing is the most popular way is something called a lease. You take charge of the building and it's upkeep whilst tied to certain products and their pricing structure. All goes well at first but the minute you turn the place around and start to make money, that is when the trouble starts. In our first year in the pub trade we increased (through hard work) a massive 82% upturn in trade, the second year we increased it by a further 21%, the third year is when the problems started. We were hit with a 50% rent rise. What they wait for is the first failed payment then pounce, ready to catch the next culprit. We were very lucky because as we got close to our three year point I was a senior member of a group that help fellow licence holders fight back against pubco's along with some very good MPs. The reason why we were lucky is our BDM knew this and wanted rid of quickly, we got back our 20k plus. The reason the pubco gave was it was given on compassionate reasons due to our daughters health, we know the real reason. I have had the pleasure of meeting Tim, and whilst I do not fully like his business model it is good. In the early years he would bulk buy beers and lagers that only had a week or two shelf life and sell them cheaply, as he grew he could ask for even more lifetime and cheaper deals. As somebody has already said the day of the local pub has gone (no matter if it is tied or not) unless it can do something else. We were recently in London in what from the outside looked like a crap horrible pub, but something caught my eye, the amount of people going in and out. It actually turned out to be a fantastic night! £3.75 for peroni, £3.00 for London Pride in a pub full of automatic darts games. Tim has been lucky, he knows old drinking pubs with no Tv's etc are on the way out he has filled the gap. A similar thing happened to me too. I had basically no investment or education, and I worked really hard on my career about 10 years. Finally I started earning money, but the tax went up to 40%. 40%! Apparently a lot of the several thousand in tax I pay apparently comes back to me - in services. Like when you go to the doctors and when you aren’t literally half dead they won’t do anything for you. I also get a service where I can report crime and they send a counsellor. They spend a lot of that money on cameras, to help me be safe, with the odd fine, bless them. I also get loads of that money spent on those who chose not to work, god love them, and loads of brilliant things like cycle lanes which I never use, and a great pension scheme allowkng their hard working employees to retire at 55 and bugger off to the south of France. Oh, and don’t forget, despite coming from a poor background, because of my skin tone and gender I have “privilege” so I can’t feel proud. I don’t deserve any plaudits for those thousands in tax. I’m the enemy - the establishment, and lots of people are working to make me pay even more, to redress the massive privilege I had with unemployed parents and state education. It’s called “fairness”
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Post by The Concept on May 15, 2018 20:12:50 GMT
Terrible Tim Witherspoon was the founder of the Wetherspoon chain? Berlimey! Just one question, who is this Weatherspoon character? I thought the whole point was that the guy who founded Weatherspoon's named it after a teacher at school who had told him that he would never amount to anything. From The Old Dog And Duck by Albert Jack: "The idea for the name [J.D. Wetherspoon] appears to have occurred to Tim Martin during his first ever night as a pub manager. On that evening, the customers started fighting with each other and Martin found he was unable to control the crowd. When a chair went flying through a window, the young manager was immediately reminded of a former lecturer of his, who, like him, had been unable to control an unruly crowd, in his case a classroom of bored students. He was the same tutor who had written on Martin's report card: 'Tim will probably amount to nothing'. His name was Wetherspoon, to which Tim added the initials 'J.D.' in honour of his favourite character of the 1970s, J.D. Hogg, from The Dukes of Hazzard." Incidentally, J.D. 'Boss' Hogg has a namesake, 'Jefferson Davis', leader of the confederacy during the American Civil War. The 'Boss Hogg' nickname is a reference to Frank 'Boss' Hague, a famous corrupt politician (pronounced 'Haa-ge').
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2018 20:15:19 GMT
Yes your local may charge A LOT MORE! ever thought why? well let me tell you. A lot of people have put hard earned cash into trying and saving their local hostelry. The thing is the most popular way is something called a lease. You take charge of the building and it's upkeep whilst tied to certain products and their pricing structure. All goes well at first but the minute you turn the place around and start to make money, that is when the trouble starts. In our first year in the pub trade we increased (through hard work) a massive 82% upturn in trade, the second year we increased it by a further 21%, the third year is when the problems started. We were hit with a 50% rent rise. What they wait for is the first failed payment then pounce, ready to catch the next culprit. We were very lucky because as we got close to our three year point I was a senior member of a group that help fellow licence holders fight back against pubco's along with some very good MPs. The reason why we were lucky is our BDM knew this and wanted rid of quickly, we got back our 20k plus. The reason the pubco gave was it was given on compassionate reasons due to our daughters health, we know the real reason. I have had the pleasure of meeting Tim, and whilst I do not fully like his business model it is good. In the early years he would bulk buy beers and lagers that only had a week or two shelf life and sell them cheaply, as he grew he could ask for even more lifetime and cheaper deals. As somebody has already said the day of the local pub has gone (no matter if it is tied or not) unless it can do something else. We were recently in London in what from the outside looked like a crap horrible pub, but something caught my eye, the amount of people going in and out. It actually turned out to be a fantastic night! £3.75 for peroni, £3.00 for London Pride in a pub full of automatic darts games. Tim has been lucky, he knows old drinking pubs with no Tv's etc are on the way out he has filled the gap. A similar thing happened to me too. I had basically no investment or education, and I worked really hard on my career about 10 years. Finally I started earning money, but the tax went up to 40%. 40%! Apparently a lot of the several thousand in tax I pay apparently comes back to me - in services. Like when you go to the doctors and when you aren’t literally half dead they won’t do anything for you. I also get a service where I can report crime and they send a counsellor. They spend a lot of that money on cameras, to help me be safe, with the odd fine, bless them. I also get loads of that money spent on those who chose not to work, god love them, and loads of brilliant things like cycle lanes which I never use, and a great pension scheme allowkng their hard working employees to retire at 55 and bugger off to the south of France. Oh, and don’t forget, despite coming from a poor background, because of my skin tone and gender I have “privilege” so I can’t feel proud. I don’t deserve any plaudits for those thousands in tax. I’m the enemy - the establishment, and lots of people are working to make me pay even more, to redress the massive privilege I had with unemployed parents and state education. It’s called “fairness” Hey Gregory, why don't we march on the City centre and tear down the statue of Edward Colston?
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2018 21:14:34 GMT
Not the best conservative guzzler thread we've had.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2018 21:22:41 GMT
Not the best conservative guzzler thread we've had. Just warming up. Give us a couple of hours watching Farage on YouTube and we'll have at least 92% of credit card fraud pinned on Bulgarian crime gangs who would never have been here if he was in charge.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2018 22:02:34 GMT
Yes your local may charge A LOT MORE! ever thought why? well let me tell you. A lot of people have put hard earned cash into trying and saving their local hostelry. The thing is the most popular way is something called a lease. You take charge of the building and it's upkeep whilst tied to certain products and their pricing structure. All goes well at first but the minute you turn the place around and start to make money, that is when the trouble starts. In our first year in the pub trade we increased (through hard work) a massive 82% upturn in trade, the second year we increased it by a further 21%, the third year is when the problems started. We were hit with a 50% rent rise. What they wait for is the first failed payment then pounce, ready to catch the next culprit. We were very lucky because as we got close to our three year point I was a senior member of a group that help fellow licence holders fight back against pubco's along with some very good MPs. The reason why we were lucky is our BDM knew this and wanted rid of quickly, we got back our 20k plus. The reason the pubco gave was it was given on compassionate reasons due to our daughters health, we know the real reason. I have had the pleasure of meeting Tim, and whilst I do not fully like his business model it is good. In the early years he would bulk buy beers and lagers that only had a week or two shelf life and sell them cheaply, as he grew he could ask for even more lifetime and cheaper deals. As somebody has already said the day of the local pub has gone (no matter if it is tied or not) unless it can do something else. We were recently in London in what from the outside looked like a crap horrible pub, but something caught my eye, the amount of people going in and out. It actually turned out to be a fantastic night! £3.75 for peroni, £3.00 for London Pride in a pub full of automatic darts games. Tim has been lucky, he knows old drinking pubs with no Tv's etc are on the way out he has filled the gap. A similar thing happened to me too. I had basically no investment or education, and I worked really hard on my career about 10 years. Finally I started earning money, but the tax went up to 40%. 40%! Apparently a lot of the several thousand in tax I pay apparently comes back to me - in services. Like when you go to the doctors and when you aren’t literally half dead they won’t do anything for you. I also get a service where I can report crime and they send a counsellor. They spend a lot of that money on cameras, to help me be safe, with the odd fine, bless them. I also get loads of that money spent on those who chose not to work, god love them, and loads of brilliant things like cycle lanes which I never use, and a great pension scheme allowkng their hard working employees to retire at 55 and bugger off to the south of France. Oh, and don’t forget, despite coming from a poor background, because of my skin tone and gender I have “privilege” so I can’t feel proud. I don’t deserve any plaudits for those thousands in tax. I’m the enemy - the establishment, and lots of people are working to make me pay even more, to redress the massive privilege I had with unemployed parents and state education. It’s called “fairness” Yes take on an old building, make a profit do it up, thus no profit, do the same the next year, break even then wam bam thank you maam, you are out! Yes seems fair to me........... Come back when you know the pub trade....... (well the lease trade at least). Would like to point out that I have made quite a bit of money on consultancy work for some very good local breweries.
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Post by Gregory Stevens on May 16, 2018 5:19:11 GMT
A similar thing happened to me too. I had basically no investment or education, and I worked really hard on my career about 10 years. Finally I started earning money, but the tax went up to 40%. 40%! Apparently a lot of the several thousand in tax I pay apparently comes back to me - in services. Like when you go to the doctors and when you aren’t literally half dead they won’t do anything for you. I also get a service where I can report crime and they send a counsellor. They spend a lot of that money on cameras, to help me be safe, with the odd fine, bless them. I also get loads of that money spent on those who chose not to work, god love them, and loads of brilliant things like cycle lanes which I never use, and a great pension scheme allowkng their hard working employees to retire at 55 and bugger off to the south of France. Oh, and don’t forget, despite coming from a poor background, because of my skin tone and gender I have “privilege” so I can’t feel proud. I don’t deserve any plaudits for those thousands in tax. I’m the enemy - the establishment, and lots of people are working to make me pay even more, to redress the massive privilege I had with unemployed parents and state education. It’s called “fairness” Hey Gregory, why don't we march on the City centre and tear down the statue of Edward Colston? Yep. 1984 memory holes are alive and kicking. There is rich irony in the anti-fascist movement these days.
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Post by bs5 on May 17, 2018 20:58:50 GMT
dont get out much do you? Enough to know that people who have been drinking alcohol aren't very nice to be around. some perhaps not all
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Post by bluetornados on Sept 28, 2022 20:51:36 GMT
Full list of Wetherspoons closing as 32 pubs put up for sale.
Barnsley – Silkstone Inn
Beaconsfield – Hope & Champion
Bexleyheath – Wrong ‘Un
Bournemouth – Christopher Creeke
Cheltenham – Bank House
Durham – Water House
Halifax – Percy Shaw
Hanham – Jolly Sailor
Hove – Cliftonville Inn
London Battersea – Asparagus
London East Ham – Miller's Well
London Eltham – Bankers Draft
London Forest Gate – Hudson Bay
London Forest Hill – Capitol
London Harrow – Moon on the Hill
London Hornsey – Toll Gate
London Holborn – Penderel's Oak
London Islington – Angel
London Palmers Green – Alfred Herring
Loughborough – Moon & Bell
Loughton – Last Post
Mansfield – Widow Frost
Middlesborough – Resolution
Purley – Foxley Hatch
Redditch – Rising Sun
Sevenoaks - Sennockian
Southampton – Admiral Sir Lucius Curtis
Stafford – Butler's Bell
Watford – Colombia Press
West Bromwich – Billiard Hall
Willenhall – Malthouse
Wirral – John Masefield
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