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Post by PessimistGas on Jan 23, 2018 23:10:56 GMT
Whisper it, but I think we may have the most under developed and funded piece of professional sporting real estate in the UK. Almost the entire value of which has been p*ssed away.
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Post by Gashead on Jan 23, 2018 23:42:35 GMT
The history of investment and management is poor. However its too soon imo to judge the new owners. I for one will be giving them a chance to take the club forward after the UWE setback. They took over a club already years behind most clubs. This is where I am at the minute, would like to see how Hortham Lane and this Mem redevelopment plan ends up. Interesting that two developments which are in planning/ongoing (AFCW and Exeter) are being done by clubs who are run by supporters' trusts.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2018 23:55:25 GMT
The history of investment and management is poor. However its too soon imo to judge the new owners. I for one will be giving them a chance to take the club forward after the UWE setback. They took over a club already years behind most clubs. They did, and they've kept us years behind most clubs too.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2018 0:47:40 GMT
The history of investment and management is poor. However its too soon imo to judge the new owners. I for one will be giving them a chance to take the club forward after the UWE setback. They took over a club already years behind most clubs. We're further behind than we were 2 years ago. Nothing has been stopping them cracking on with the (Cat 2 Academy) training ground apart from: - Reality hitting - It's not being scaled back because it's better to do it phases. - these things take time Seriously? I dont agree that were further behind,we have a decent development set up and we have the colony land. Regarding the cat 2 academy i think the reality of the cost of running that has hit home. There the only owners we have and nobody has produced a shred of evidence that they intend to harm the club or not improve the club. Nobody.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2018 0:50:12 GMT
This is probably the best thread I’ve ever read on either forums, what now needs to be done is some IT savvy guy or girl needs to send off the OP stats along with all the replies to every single member of the board, for whilst I’m convinced it won’t make a bit of difference I think we would all feel better knowing that they know those amazing, and damning facts. They do know and they need a fair chance and time scale to bring the club up to date imo.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2018 0:58:33 GMT
The history of investment and management is poor. However its too soon imo to judge the new owners. I for one will be giving them a chance to take the club forward after the UWE setback. They took over a club already years behind most clubs. They did, and they've kept us years behind most clubs too. They have improved the club and should have a fair chance to deliver the club we want. There is no steve lansdown at rovers but we have owners aiming to achieve a sustainable model club in a crazy debt ridden business. I cant see any good in dismissing the owners as fakes et***til they have fair time to produce new plans to take the club forward.
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Post by c13 on Jan 24, 2018 4:54:25 GMT
They did, and they've kept us years behind most clubs too. They have improved the club and should have a fair chance to deliver the club we want. There is no steve lansdown at rovers but we have owners aiming to achieve a sustainable model club in a crazy debt ridden business. I cant see any good in dismissing the owners as fakes et***til they have fair time to produce new plans to take the club forward. I have to say though, while the initial actions (the hiring of staff, the focus on development squads, scrubbing of some debts, etc) have made me believe the "evolution not revolution" mantra (which I believe is right in any other context, btw), it isn't too soon to call the owners on all the miscommunication, the secrecy and the lack of meaningful actions. I for one never shared the "he comes across as a nice chap from this video" feeling most people did when first seeing Wael, any politician or person of similar aspirations has to know how to look good on camera, but I do feel a bit betrayed after these months under him. All we can do is hope I guess
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Post by chelt_gas on Jan 24, 2018 6:02:40 GMT
Worth noting this is just in the 92, doesn’t include the hundreds of impressive developments by non-league, rugby and cricket clubs in the last 21 years. How much capital has been spent exploring new of improved stadium ventures since 1986? There has been investment on or for new stadia but the return has been nil.
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Post by Peter Parker on Jan 24, 2018 6:56:26 GMT
Perhaps you should suggest an event that is actually taking place Bamber. 🤔🤔 I have no idea what you are talking about. But looking at the BRFC official site, I can't see details of either event there. Bit odd? Surely regarding Sponsorship it is the deal we end up with that matters. As for the Valentines Dinner i thoght someone said it drevived little or no benefit. I.E profit. Could be wrong on that but what i thought someone said Any reason anyone else can think that it might not be happening this year?
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Post by Igitur on Jan 24, 2018 7:50:45 GMT
Now I'm with the OP on this, but there are 34 clubs below us in the top tier and I will always hold onto results being the prime measure of a club, which then attracts the supporters. It would be naive to ignore the extra revenue, and punters, a glitzy stadium bring in, but club management also affects the issue. If all clubs had a mega stadium with all the trimmings, only 20 get to sit round the table laden with TV goodies, (though more TV cash would eventually come to the lower leagues if they all started having squads like Prem sides.) I think also that you have to recognise there is a fair number of supporters happy to sit/stand within the Mem as it with their pre- and post-game rituals, they tend to be the older ones who are in the majority.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Jan 24, 2018 7:58:20 GMT
I have no idea what you are talking about. As for the Valentines Dinner i thoght someone said it drevived little or no benefit. I.E profit? Er, I think someone made a profit out of it, but that's for a different thread methinks!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2018 8:52:56 GMT
I have no idea what you are talking about. But looking at the BRFC official site, I can't see details of either event there. Bit odd? Surely regarding Sponsorship it is the deal we end up with that matters. As for the Valentines Dinner i thoght someone said it drevived little or no benefit. I.E profit. Could be wrong on that but what i thought someone said Any reason anyone else can think that it might not be happening this year? The Valentines Ball as it was originally called was a Presidents Club event which they abandoned in what some might call a hissy fit following a disagreement over their match day facilities with the then Chairman of the football club. It was a very good money spinner for the Presidents club who handed over thousands of pounds to the club in donations from the proceeds. The club obviously recognised its value and took up the running of the event immediately. I have no idea if a very profitable evening became a loss making event but it’s sad that an event where supporters could rub shoulders with players, management, staff and directors has been abandoned. As for the shirt raffle, the new commercial director obviously has a major sponsor lined up to replace the £100k plus received from the raffle and it will also free up hospitality spaces which he can now sell which were given away in return for entering the raffle.
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Post by trunky on Jan 24, 2018 9:16:19 GMT
The history of investment and management is poor. However its too soon imo to judge the new owners. I for one will be giving them a chance to take the club forward after the UWE setback. They took over a club already years behind most clubs. I admire your loyalty but there comes a point where it turns in blind subservience, I have become very cynical of our new owners not least because we were told there was a plan B if the UWE fell through and it is apparent to anyone with half an eye there never was a plan B. What else have we nbeen lied to about.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2018 9:30:12 GMT
Worth noting this is just in the 92, doesn’t include the hundreds of impressive developments by non-league, rugby and cricket clubs in the last 21 years. How much capital has been spent exploring new of improved stadium ventures since 1986? There has been investment on or for new stadia but the return has been nil. If you invested money into a venture and lost it all would you hold yourself to account? or would you shrug your shoulders and say you were unlucky again?
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Post by a more piratey game on Jan 24, 2018 9:32:24 GMT
The history of investment and management is poor. However its too soon imo to judge the new owners. I for one will be giving them a chance to take the club forward after the UWE setback. They took over a club already years behind most clubs. I admire your loyalty but there comes a point where it turns in blind subservience, I have become very cynical of our new owners not least because we were told there was a plan B if the UWE fell through and it is apparent to anyone with half an eye there never was a plan B. What else have we nbeen lied to about. I think they initially looked clear-sighted, innovative, strategic and effective since the spring last year they have looked bumbling they may not have changed, but the impression that I (and I suspect many others) have of them has. It's quite a transformation will it change again?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2018 9:35:11 GMT
I admire your loyalty but there comes a point where it turns in blind subservience, I have become very cynical of our new owners not least because we were told there was a plan B if the UWE fell through and it is apparent to anyone with half an eye there never was a plan B. What else have we nbeen lied to about. I think they initially looked clear-sighted, innovative, strategic and effective since the spring last year they have looked bumbling they may not have changed, but the impression that I (and I suspect many others) have of them has. It's quite a transformation will it change again? If I'm honest, I don't think the bloke from the golf club acting as chairman is the most awe-inspiring man in the world. In the first two years it should really be about how they look and Mr Hamer doesn't inspire.
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Post by eppinggas on Jan 24, 2018 9:40:45 GMT
This is probably the best thread I’ve ever read on either forums, what now needs to be done is some IT savvy guy or girl needs to send off the OP stats along with all the replies to every single member of the board, for whilst I’m convinced it won’t make a bit of difference I think we would all feel better knowing that they know those amazing, and damning facts. They do know and they need a fair chance and time scale to bring the club up to date imo. They will have owned the Club for 2 years next month. I don't see anything happening at the Memorial Stadium. I have asked repeatedly (here and directly to the Board) with regard to naming the contractors / employees actively looking at the options available for redeveloping the Memorial Stadium. Big project. Anywhere between £25mil-£45mil. But, no-one knows. Either the best kept secret around - or one would conclude they aren't even thinking about it. This is a project that allegedly kicked off immediately after the UWE Stadium collapse in early August. If you think a full stadium redevelopment is going to happen in the foreseeable future under the current owners - IMHO, you are totally deluded. The list of tangible assets acquired/improved by the owners, amounts to acquiring a field near Almondsbury. Absolutely all systems go there with an opening date for the Training Facility of July 1st 2019. However we have no indication of the budget (apart from it is considerably less than first indicated), and no details on the what the facility will look like, or include. For some people accepting Wael's mantra of "these things take time" is good enough. Well if the majority accept that - they will get what they deserve. Currently that looks like f*** all.
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Post by warehamgas on Jan 24, 2018 9:49:45 GMT
Another interesting one is post-1988 when Scunthorpe moved into the first purpose built stadium for 33 years only Brentford, QPR, Grimsby Town and Bristol Rovers have seen no significant development to their grounds. Brentford have planning permission for a new stadium. Using Scunthorpe as the first new development for so long really rubs it in doesn’t it because they are now developing another completely new development due for completion in the next two years. Two new grounds in that time! UTG!
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Post by Colyton Gas. on Jan 24, 2018 9:52:39 GMT
How long can they go on without informing the fans of where we are in respect of infrastructure enhancement? If there are no plans ,money or ambition they need to tell us.Nothing in the way of plans submitted,no contractors on the horizon.Think we'll still be where we are 5 years from now-unless of-course the board surprise us and announce a major development.If DC left ,I'd be really worried but even he must be doubting anything will ever happen.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2018 10:00:54 GMT
Another interesting one is post-1988 when Scunthorpe moved into the first purpose built stadium for 33 years only Brentford, QPR, Grimsby Town and Bristol Rovers have seen no significant development to their grounds. Brentford have planning permission for a new stadium. Using Scunthorpe as the first new development for so long really rubs it in doesn’t it because they are now developing another completely new development due for completion in the next two years. Two new grounds in that time! UTG! I think that's the most frustrating thing, we'll soon be looking at clubs having two wholly new grounds in a time period where we've built nothing. Obviously most of these developments have been fueled by the Taylor Report (which, should be ripped up because it was built on Police lies), but it is bonkers we've not even looked at constructing decent temporary stands (see Fulham).
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