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Post by a more piratey game on Dec 11, 2017 13:57:25 GMT
enjoyed his reminder of the parachutist at the Watney Cup final in particular - I'd forgotten that. And the fact that Dick Sheppard's deciding save was from Ted Helmsley
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Post by Curly Wurly on Dec 11, 2017 16:03:43 GMT
enjoyed his reminder of the parachutist at the Watney Cup final in particular - I'd forgotten that. And the fact that Dick Sheppard's deciding save was from Ted Helmsley |
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Post by The Concept on Dec 11, 2017 18:19:09 GMT
You also get a bit of comedy too. Mike sets up a great question, to ask the listeners at home, but gives the answer.  |
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Post by The Concept on Dec 11, 2017 18:23:33 GMT
That Watney Cup game - did someone kidnap Tom McAllister, when no one was looking, and replace him with Esmond Million for the penalties?
Went the wrong way most of the time, a couple of occasions didn't bother moving, and ducked out the way of Lyndsay Parsons spot-kick. Not the Tom I remember for Rovers in the '80s.
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Post by harrybuckle on Dec 11, 2017 19:20:38 GMT
You also get a bit of comedy too. Mike sets up a great question, to ask the listeners at home, but gives the answer. only mentioned the Christian name but ironically no one actually got the answer.
New question to test you ?
Name 14 Rovers players who have played on the Sydney Cricket Ground ?
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Post by Curly Wurly on Dec 11, 2017 19:26:07 GMT
That Watney Cup game - did someone kidnap Tom McAllister, when no one was looking, and replace him with Esmond Million for the penalties? Went the wrong way most of the time, a couple of occasions didn't bother moving, and ducked out the way of Lyndsay Parsons spot-kick. Not the Tom I remember for Rovers in the '80s. Tom did look to be a bit leaden footed. In fairness, the rules in those days were very much in the penalty taker's favour as the keeper was not allowed to move before the kick was taken. I don't think the law has changed, but the interpretation certainly has. Take a look at Tony Currie's 'saved' penalty that was ordered to be retaken - nothing wrong with Dick Sheppard's save by modern day standards. |
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Post by The Concept on Dec 11, 2017 19:57:14 GMT
That Watney Cup game - did someone kidnap Tom McAllister, when no one was looking, and replace him with Esmond Million for the penalties? Went the wrong way most of the time, a couple of occasions didn't bother moving, and ducked out the way of Lyndsay Parsons spot-kick. Not the Tom I remember for Rovers in the '80s. Tom did look to be a bit leaden footed. In fairness, the rules in those days were very much in the penalty taker's favour as the keeper was not allowed to move before the kick was taken. I don't think the law has changed, but the interpretation certainly has. Take a look at Tony Currie's 'saved' penalty that was ordered to be retaken - nothing wrong with Dick Sheppard's save by modern day standards. Yes, good point. I did think it harsh Currie's was re-taken. I've never seen linesmen concentrate so fully before! The rule has changed - you can move along the line, but not forwards (I think!). |
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Post by The Concept on Dec 11, 2017 20:05:12 GMT
You also get a bit of comedy too. Mike sets up a great question, to ask the listeners at home, but gives the answer. only mentioned the Christian name but ironically no one actually got the answer.
New question to test you ?
Name 14 Rovers players who have played on the Sydney Cricket Ground ?
Good question Mike. I'm guessing this would have been during the end of season / summer tour of Australia, New Zealand, and Thailand, following promotion in 1974? The only reference I can find at the moment is a game at Weston, New South Wales, on 15/05/1974. With that in mind, I'll stump for the 11 starters, and 1 sub, from the final game of the 73/74 season, along with Wally Hammond and Barrie Meyer. |
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Post by The Concept on Dec 11, 2017 20:34:30 GMT
only mentioned the Christian name but ironically no one actually got the answer.
New question to test you ?
Name 14 Rovers players who have played on the Sydney Cricket Ground ?
Good question Mike. I'm guessing this would have been during the end of season / summer tour of Australia, New Zealand, and Thailand, following promotion in 1974? The only reference I can find at the moment is a game at Weston, New South Wales, on 15/05/1974. With that in mind, I'll stump for the 11 starters, and 1 sub, from the final game of the 73/74 season, along with Wally Hammond and Barrie Meyer. Update ... "Bristol Rovers - On This Day" by Stephen Byrne, is where I got the game at Weston on 15/05/1974 from (Coalfields XI 1 Gas 9), but "A Season To Remember - Bristol Rovers Promotion Season 1973/74", by Ian Haddrell & Mike Jay, says that game was 16/05/1974. The latter publication has a game at Sydney listed on 15/05/1974 - New South Wales 0 Bristol Rovers 3. I would have gone for: Eadie, Jacobs, Parsons, Aitken, Taylor, Prince, Stephens, Stanton, Warboys, Bannister, Dobson, Staniforth, Fearnley, Rudge. ... but 'The Sydney Sports Ground' is not one and the same place as 'Sydney Cricket Ground'!! |
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Post by harrybuckle on Dec 12, 2017 8:18:34 GMT
Good question Mike. I'm guessing this would have been during the end of season / summer tour of Australia, New Zealand, and Thailand, following promotion in 1974? The only reference I can find at the moment is a game at Weston, New South Wales, on 15/05/1974. With that in mind, I'll stump for the 11 starters, and 1 sub, from the final game of the 73/74 season, along with Wally Hammond and Barrie Meyer. Update ... "Bristol Rovers - On This Day" by Stephen Byrne, is where I got the game at Weston on 15/05/1974 from (Coalfields XI 1 Gas 9), but "A Season To Remember - Bristol Rovers Promotion Season 1973/74", by Ian Haddrell & Mike Jay, says that game was 16/05/1974. The latter publication has a game at Sydney listed on 15/05/1974 - New South Wales 0 Bristol Rovers 3. I would have gone for: Eadie, Jacobs, Parsons, Aitken, Taylor, Prince, Stephens, Stanton, Warboys, Bannister, Dobson, Staniforth, Fearnley, Rudge. ... but 'The Sydney Sports Ground' is not one and the same place as 'Sydney Cricket Ground'!! Well done....Harry Bamford also played at Sydney Cricket Ground for touring Football Association v Australia in June 1951. Meyer did not play there but umpired there
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Post by The Concept on Dec 12, 2017 13:05:07 GMT
Update ... "Bristol Rovers - On This Day" by Stephen Byrne, is where I got the game at Weston on 15/05/1974 from (Coalfields XI 1 Gas 9), but "A Season To Remember - Bristol Rovers Promotion Season 1973/74", by Ian Haddrell & Mike Jay, says that game was 16/05/1974. The latter publication has a game at Sydney listed on 15/05/1974 - New South Wales 0 Bristol Rovers 3. I would have gone for: Eadie, Jacobs, Parsons, Aitken, Taylor, Prince, Stephens, Stanton, Warboys, Bannister, Dobson, Staniforth, Fearnley, Rudge. ... but 'The Sydney Sports Ground' is not one and the same place as 'Sydney Cricket Ground'!! Well done....Harry Bamford also played at Sydney Cricket Ground for touring Football Association v Australia in June 1951. Meyer did not play there but umpired there
But Harry Bamford didn't also play at the SCG ... he was the only one to play at the SCG. I'm not sure if you've missed my previous update, but the Rovers promotion squad of 73/74 played at The Sydney Sports Ground and not The Sydney Cricket Ground. The Sydney Sports Ground: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sydney_Sports_GroundThe Sydney Cricket Ground: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sydney_Cricket_GroundYou might need to recall that next edition of "The Definitive History of Bristol Rovers FC" from the printers.  Harry Bamford may well have played at the SCG twice: 30/06/1951 in a 17-0 victory and 26/05/1951 in a 4-1 victory. The team played several matches on that tour, with others in Sydney at The Showground and The Sports Ground. They also played at Brisbane Cricket Ground and in Melbourne and Newcastle. My favourite QI from that tour is that for many games the Australian goalkeeper was a chap called Norman Conquest. Barrie Meyer - yep, that's what i meant. |
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Post by harrybuckle on Dec 12, 2017 14:26:59 GMT
Well done....Harry Bamford also played at Sydney Cricket Ground for touring Football Association v Australia in June 1951. Meyer did not play there but umpired there
But Harry Bamford didn't also play at the SCG ... he was the only one to play at the SCG. I'm not sure if you've missed my previous update, but the Rovers promotion squad of 73/74 played at The Sydney Sports Ground and not The Sydney Cricket Ground. The Sydney Sports Ground: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sydney_Sports_GroundThe Sydney Cricket Ground: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sydney_Cricket_GroundYou might need to recall that next edition of "The Definitive History of Bristol Rovers FC" from the printers. Harry Bamford may well have played at the SCG twice: 30/06/1951 in a 17-0 victory and 26/05/1951 in a 4-1 victory. The team played several matches on that tour, with others in Sydney at The Showground and The Sports Ground. They also played at Brisbane Cricket Ground and in Melbourne and Newcastle. My favourite QI from that tour is that for many games the Australian goalkeeper was a chap called Norman Conquest. Barrie Meyer - yep, that's what i meant. If you read the excellent new Harry Bamford book it does say it was SCG and in fact I have the match day programme dated 30 June 1951. It was a 17-0 win and Norman Conquest did play in goal for the Aussies. In fact Wally Hammond Rovers winger of 1921 played cricket for England at SCG and scored 251. However I don't agree with you about the 1973/4 touring side. I spoke to Tom Stanton in recent months and he said the tour match was at the SCG.
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Post by The Concept on Dec 12, 2017 18:29:34 GMT
But Harry Bamford didn't also play at the SCG ... he was the only one to play at the SCG. I'm not sure if you've missed my previous update, but the Rovers promotion squad of 73/74 played at The Sydney Sports Ground and not The Sydney Cricket Ground. The Sydney Sports Ground: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sydney_Sports_GroundThe Sydney Cricket Ground: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sydney_Cricket_GroundYou might need to recall that next edition of "The Definitive History of Bristol Rovers FC" from the printers. Harry Bamford may well have played at the SCG twice: 30/06/1951 in a 17-0 victory and 26/05/1951 in a 4-1 victory. The team played several matches on that tour, with others in Sydney at The Showground and The Sports Ground. They also played at Brisbane Cricket Ground and in Melbourne and Newcastle. My favourite QI from that tour is that for many games the Australian goalkeeper was a chap called Norman Conquest. Barrie Meyer - yep, that's what i meant. However I don't agree with you about the 1973/4 touring side. I spoke to Tom Stanton in recent months and he said the tour match was at the SCG.
Hmm! I'm still not convinced Mike. Unfortunately it's difficult to research though. Here is one account saying Sydney Sports Ground: www.ozfootball.net/ark/MiscGames/1974SR/74S3.htmlThere is evidence of programmes and ticket stubs from some games on the tour, but not one for the game on 15/05/74: bristolroversmemorabilia.weebly.com/1973-1974-6566.htmlPlus what does Tommy know about cricket grounds - he's a Scot!  Tom must have been on the whiskey, still celebrating promotion. You'd need to show Tom a photo of both grounds from 1974 - a great fact if you can prove it. |
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Post by harrybuckle on Dec 13, 2017 8:23:25 GMT
However I don't agree with you about the 1973/4 touring side. I spoke to Tom Stanton in recent months and he said the tour match was at the SCG.
Hmm! I'm still not convinced Mike. Unfortunately it's difficult to research though. Here is one account saying Sydney Sports Ground: www.ozfootball.net/ark/MiscGames/1974SR/74S3.htmlThere is evidence of programmes and ticket stubs from some games on the tour, but not one for the game on 15/05/74: bristolroversmemorabilia.weebly.com/1973-1974-6566.htmlPlus what does Tommy know about cricket grounds - he's a Scot! Tom must have been on the whiskey, still celebrating promotion. You'd need to show Tom a photo of both grounds from 1974 - a great fact if you can prove it. I will ask Pete Aitken |
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Post by pirate49 on Dec 13, 2017 17:41:32 GMT
However I don't agree with you about the 1973/4 touring side. I spoke to Tom Stanton in recent months and he said the tour match was at the SCG.
Hmm! I'm still not convinced Mike. Unfortunately it's difficult to research though. Here is one account saying Sydney Sports Ground: www.ozfootball.net/ark/MiscGames/1974SR/74S3.htmlThere is evidence of programmes and ticket stubs from some games on the tour, but not one for the game on 15/05/74: bristolroversmemorabilia.weebly.com/1973-1974-6566.htmlPlus what does Tommy know about cricket grounds - he's a Scot! Tom must have been on the whiskey, still celebrating promotion. You'd need to show Tom a photo of both grounds from 1974 - a great fact if you can prove it. I don't know the answer to this, but I'd be surprised if they played at the cricket ground as this was way before the advent of 'drop-in' cricket wickets so if there was a football match it would have been across one end of the ground; just like the hockey pitches which used to be at Nevil Road. |
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Post by laughinggas on Dec 13, 2017 17:57:10 GMT
Hmm! I'm still not convinced Mike. Unfortunately it's difficult to research though. Here is one account saying Sydney Sports Ground: www.ozfootball.net/ark/MiscGames/1974SR/74S3.htmlThere is evidence of programmes and ticket stubs from some games on the tour, but not one for the game on 15/05/74: bristolroversmemorabilia.weebly.com/1973-1974-6566.htmlPlus what does Tommy know about cricket grounds - he's a Scot! Tom must have been on the whiskey, still celebrating promotion. You'd need to show Tom a photo of both grounds from 1974 - a great fact if you can prove it. I don't know the answer to this, but I'd be surprised if they played at the cricket ground as this was way before the advent of 'drop-in' cricket wickets so if there was a football match it would have been across one end of the ground; just like the hockey pitches which used to be at Nevil Road. Used to be football on Neville Road when owned by Phoenix |
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Post by The Concept on Dec 13, 2017 18:03:33 GMT
Hmm! I'm still not convinced Mike. Unfortunately it's difficult to research though. Here is one account saying Sydney Sports Ground: www.ozfootball.net/ark/MiscGames/1974SR/74S3.htmlThere is evidence of programmes and ticket stubs from some games on the tour, but not one for the game on 15/05/74: bristolroversmemorabilia.weebly.com/1973-1974-6566.htmlPlus what does Tommy know about cricket grounds - he's a Scot! Tom must have been on the whiskey, still celebrating promotion. You'd need to show Tom a photo of both grounds from 1974 - a great fact if you can prove it. I don't know the answer to this, but I'd be surprised if they played at the cricket ground as this was way before the advent of 'drop-in' cricket wickets so if there was a football match it would have been across one end of the ground; just like the hockey pitches which used to be at Nevil Road. Well we do know that Association Football (Soccer) was played at the SCG, it's just that I don't think Rovers played there in '74. As already mentioned, Harry Bamford played football on the ground in '51; and also, in 1964, a crowd of 51,566 was there to see New South Wales take on Everton. The drop-in pitch theory isn't really a consideration, as lots of other sports shared the SCG over the years: Tennis; Rugby Union; Aussie Rules, and Baseball among them. I think football would have phased out at the SCG by the '70s, and I can't imagine they would have played Rovers there, with a crowd of 4,481. I do think it would be quite easy to confuse grounds in Australia though. In the 1970s there wouldn't have been many purpose built football grounds. To us they would appear larger than a rugby or a football pitch. Most Australian sports grounds would have been large ovals to accommodate Cricket and Aussie Rules. |
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Post by harrybuckle on Dec 14, 2017 17:28:26 GMT
I don't know the answer to this, but I'd be surprised if they played at the cricket ground as this was way before the advent of 'drop-in' cricket wickets so if there was a football match it would have been across one end of the ground; just like the hockey pitches which used to be at Nevil Road. Used to be football on Neville Road when owned by Phoenix Clifton association played football at glos ccc in 1880s w g grace reffed them there too |
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Post by irishrover on Dec 15, 2017 15:11:04 GMT
I don't know the answer to this, but I'd be surprised if they played at the cricket ground as this was way before the advent of 'drop-in' cricket wickets so if there was a football match it would have been across one end of the ground; just like the hockey pitches which used to be at Nevil Road. Well we do know that Association Football (Soccer) was played at the SCG, it's just that I don't think Rovers played there in '74. As already mentioned, Harry Bamford played football on the ground in '51; and also, in 1964, a crowd of 51,566 was there to see New South Wales take on Everton. The drop-in pitch theory isn't really a consideration, as lots of other sports shared the SCG over the years: Tennis; Rugby Union; Aussie Rules, and Baseball among them. I think football would have phased out at the SCG by the '70s, and I can't imagine they would have played Rovers there, with a crowd of 4,481. I do think it would be quite easy to confuse grounds in Australia though. In the 1970s there wouldn't have been many purpose built football grounds. To us they would appear larger than a rugby or a football pitch. Most Australian sports grounds would have been large ovals to accommodate Cricket and Aussie Rules. Yes - that's right. You wouldn't have needed drop in wickets to play football at Aussie cricket grounds because they would have been big enough to accommodate a complete football pitch on the outfield. They did it that way for years whenever Australia had a big football match. I'm pretty sure the Aussie's played a big World Cup playoff game at the SCG in the 90s but I may be wrong about that. But I think it's pretty unlikely Rovers would have played a game at the SCG in the 70's for the reasons mentioned above. It's also true that until fairly recently Aussie stadiums were really a bit run down and run on quite an amateur basis. It wasn't really until the 80's they started properly modernising and upgrading their stadiums. Up to that point most of them relied heavily on big grass banks for people to sit on. |
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Post by PeterHooper57 on Dec 15, 2017 18:38:53 GMT
Mike is an absolute sporting legend here in Bristol, not only is he the go to person regarding any facts realating to BRFC, in the past he also managed his sons Deeswood age group from U7 through to U16s as well as manage pan bristol youth representative teams. Let’s hope Geoff Twentyman nominates Mike for a sporting award.
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