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Post by crater on Dec 7, 2017 20:01:53 GMT
Steve Hamer gave a date that the training ground would be ready... (1st July 2019 I think but might be wrong) Wael was a bit yeah but no but when asked about the training ground a week later.
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kingswood Polak
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Post by kingswood Polak on Dec 7, 2017 22:08:52 GMT
May take on all this is that NH convinces Wael/SH the plans for the UWE were foolproof and having been turned down by Gillingham Wael jumped in w/o doing proper due diligence, he then convinced Hani & co the opportunity was one to good to turn down and they took him on his word, Wael then plough ahead getting Currah on board and carrying out the feasibility study. At some point Hani got wind the deal wasn't as good as Wael thought, perhaps once the feasibility study landed on his desk?, promptly sacked Currah and took over the talks with UWE direct, the outcome we of course know. The problem is now the ALQ's have a £12m debt with no obvious escape route, are they bidding their time until January and hoping then to sell players & DC to cut some of their losses before selling up? If so, why's BB been offered a new contract/talking as though he might stay, surely he's not been told to lie? Plus why was DC with Wael on Tuesday night? If the ALQ's plan on staying for the long term then one other thing I can't understand is why won't the training ground be in use for 18 months when we already have pp, why can't work start now for this summer, plus why waste money on the Mem if stands are doing to be demolished in a year or two? Although if they do plan jumping ship why mention moving the club shop in the first place. Perhaps Hani is prepared to just fund the present debts but no more, which I guess is at least something. Meanwhile Wael's praying he can sell Locks or Harrison for £m's in order to convince Hani football can be profitable!! In the post today that BB has had a contract offer 12 months ago
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Post by vaughan on Dec 7, 2017 22:26:06 GMT
Les,
Fans could go to UWE and negotiate directly if they could raise the funds.
It's all about funding and it appears that it is not forthcoming from ALQs.
The chance to have a new Stadium in prime spot via pp is a once in a lifetime opportunity.
Memexit is born. 😅😅
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2017 22:31:19 GMT
So 10,000 supporters raising a £100 a year to pay back a 25 year mortgage. Living the dream. 😅 Something like that. But you are right, our (So called) supporters scream for others to put their money in, but find excuses not to do so themselves? Boring innit There may be a reasonable take up yielding 6%, secured against the stadium.
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Post by PessimistGas on Dec 7, 2017 22:31:58 GMT
A friend suggested looking at the South Gloucestershire planning website; at the UWE stadium application PT12/0888/F. I expected no activity after November 2014 but was surprised to find a new discharge of conditions letter dated 14th November 2017. Strangely the application was made by UWEs planning consultants Alder King and not the usual Pegasus group. The letter clearly states the original application was a joint one by Rovers and UWE so I guess UWE can move the application on. So what is happening - a dead duck or a few 'quacks' left yet! If The UWE want to go their own way with other partners they will have to summit new planning application. That was also the intention of BRFC anyway as the current design was not fit for purpose Is that a fact on the basis of a quote from WAQ? He's said an awful lot of things.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2017 22:35:56 GMT
Something like that. But you are right, our (So called) supporters scream for others to put their money in, but find excuses not to do so themselves? Boring innit There may be a reasonable take up yielding 6%, secured against the stadium. That's a loan, not equity
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2017 22:37:06 GMT
Les, Fans could go to UWE and negotiate directly if they could raise the funds. It's all about funding and it appears that it is not forthcoming from ALQs. The chance to have a new Stadium in prime spot via pp is a once in ar lifetime opportunity. Memexit is born. 😅😅 Ha ha....yes
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2017 22:41:56 GMT
There may be a reasonable take up yielding 6%, secured against the stadium. That's a loan, not equity Welcome back Les
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Post by Curly Wurly on Dec 8, 2017 0:33:39 GMT
I hate to say it, but our 'friends' on otib were touting the idea of a trimmed back UWE a long time ago and, amongst others I scoffed at the idea at the time. In my mind, it just supports the idea that the UWE stadium was not perhaps the best of ideas. Strange a stripped down UWE which could've been developed / improved later is a sign of how out of his depth NH was but a stripped down training facility, that hopefully can be developed further, is a sign of the Al Qs commitment. It's just like making things up. I see your point, but I think the difference is in scale and potential returns. I didn't suggest Nick was out of his depth. Countless times, I've defended his approach and will always feel that he was trying to do his best for Rovers, but I do feel that the financial viability of the UWE was slipping away. Costs were increasing, the inflated price that Sainsbury's offered for the Mem had disappeared and the additional expense of the extended legal process, etc. were squeezing the life out of the club. We don't know the details of UWE's potential share of incomes, but the experienced investment bankers, with further expert advice decided that it was not a good deal. Given the financial state of the club at the time, it is a stretch to think that we would have been able to invest in the team, the backroom staff or our own training facility, let alone further development of the UWE stadium. I might be wrong, but scaling back the Hortham colony project is not the same in my mind. We/Dwane sports own the land and will (I believe) be good on their promise of delivering our own training facility that will be an improvement, technically and financially, on our current rented arrangement. Further incremental development is more feasibile for this in my mind. Having said all of that I hope Wale and Steve Hamer have learned the lesson that they must not over promise and under deliver.
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Post by Curly Wurly on Dec 8, 2017 0:38:42 GMT
Les, Fans could go to UWE and negotiate directly if they could raise the funds. It's all about funding and it appears that it is not forthcoming from ALQs. The chance to have a new Stadium in prime spot via pp is a once in a lifetime opportunity. Memexit is born. 😅😅 Best of luck. With all respect to our loyal fan base, we have not shown the wherewithal to raise anything like that kind of money in the past. But perhaps it is a way in which we could find out how much UWE were going to cream off the top of the income.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2017 0:44:22 GMT
We/Dwane sports own the land... Two absolutely different things. How preferential do you imagine will be the rent that BRFC's landlord DS (HAQ) charge BRFC?
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Post by Curly Wurly on Dec 8, 2017 0:49:46 GMT
... If the ALQ's plan on staying for the long term then one other thing I can't understand is why won't the training ground be in use for 18 months when we already have pp, why can't work start now for this summer. The existing planning permission is suitable for a local football club, but is definitely not what Rovers want or need. We need to submit new (amended) plans, get these approved and then start development. This process is taking too long in my opinion
Plus why waste money on the Mem if stands are doing to be demolished in a year or two? Scale of investment. Small costs now to bring basic facilities up to date are a small price to pay, particularly if the finished redevelopment won't be complete for 5-10 years (my estimate)Although if they do plan jumping ship why mention moving the club shop in the first place. Perhaps Hani is prepared to just fund the present debts but no more, which I guess is at least something. Meanwhile Wael's praying he can sell Locks or Harrison for £m's in order to convince Hani football can be profitable We'll see. The January window will be a tell tale; buy in key players = positive sign for the future, no buy no sell = steady, but lacking ambition, sell the family silver = their on their way out
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Post by Curly Wurly on Dec 8, 2017 0:55:03 GMT
We/Dwane sports own the land... Two absolutely different things. How preferential do you imagine will be the rent that BRFC's landlord DS (HAQ) charge BRFC? Internal transfer charge versus external expenditure? Depends whether you believe Steve Hamer's statement that Dwane will not look to call in the loan. Are Bristol Sport (DoG) looking to recoup their loan to Bristol City?
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Post by chelt_gas on Dec 8, 2017 6:53:47 GMT
Its amazing that Boris spent over 30 million on a bridge over the River Thames that was never built and would not generate any returns. Perhaps UWE can see the value of progressing with a planning application and starting a stealth phoenix club for if Rovers reach tipping point.
After all, what is Bristol Rovers? Could all fans collectively follow a phoenix club that rises from the ashes and gashes?
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Post by Henbury Gas on Dec 8, 2017 7:25:16 GMT
If The UWE want to go their own way with other partners they will have to summit new planning application. That was also the intention of BRFC anyway as the current design was not fit for purpose Is that a fact on the basis of a quote from WAQ? He's said an awful lot of things. WAQ did say this during his Famous UWE interview Also the design of the stadium as granted would needed updating to the latest H&S requirements
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Post by badbloodash on Dec 8, 2017 7:33:59 GMT
Did I just hear on Sam fm news we are one of a number of local companies accused of paying staff under the minimum wage?? If so we should hang our heads in shame this is one of the most expensive places in the uk to live we should be paying all our staff the living wage not minimum not going to do much for our public relations is it ?utter disgrace
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Post by laughinggas on Dec 8, 2017 7:53:57 GMT
Did I just hear on Sam fm news we are one of a number of local companies accused of paying staff under the minimum wage?? If so we should hang our heads in shame this is one of the most expensive places in the uk to live we should be paying all our staff the living wage not minimum not going to do much for our public relations is it ?utter disgrace Employees of BRFC or companies than provide services to the club?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2017 8:31:10 GMT
Did I just hear on Sam fm news we are one of a number of local companies accused of paying staff under the minimum wage?? If so we should hang our heads in shame this is one of the most expensive places in the uk to live we should be paying all our staff the living wage not minimum not going to do much for our public relations is it ?utter disgrace The daily mirror has published a full list of 260 companies that failed to pay workers the minimum wage including primark and sports direct. In the list it says bristol rovers fc failed to pay 52 workers £1,651.86. Wolves,falkirk and morton are the other football clubs named when quickly scanning the list. This is a goverment scheme to name and shame offending companies. On the mirror list it says updated on dec 8th 2017,other papers and sites carry the same story.
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Post by Angas on Dec 8, 2017 8:45:45 GMT
£31.77 per person. What's the time period - the articles I've read don't seem to specify.
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Post by Henbury Gas on Dec 8, 2017 8:48:17 GMT
Did I just hear on Sam fm news we are one of a number of local companies accused of paying staff under the minimum wage?? If so we should hang our heads in shame this is one of the most expensive places in the uk to live we should be paying all our staff the living wage not minimum not going to do much for our public relations is it ?utter disgrace The daily mirror has published a full list of 260 companies that failed to pay workers the minimum wage including primark and sports direct. In the list it says bristol rovers fc failed to pay 52 workers £1,651.86.Wolves,falkirk and morton are the other football clubs named when quickly scanning the list. This is a goverment scheme to name and shame offending companies. On the mirror list it says updated on dec 8th 2017,other papers and sites carry the same story. Do we employ that many Lower wage people ? If so what do they do FFS
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