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Post by eppinggas on Aug 15, 2017 13:11:09 GMT
Would we have to turn the ground round 90 degrees? Might be enough room to demolish the Blackthorn - push the pitch northwest by 10-20 meters. That would give allow room to do something with with the South 'stand'. Elongate the Dribuild and West Stand, and link these to the two new stands. So the only demolition costs would only be the Blackthorn / bars. Within a couple of years the bars are likely to fall down on their own anyway. Lose the car-park, or most of it. Or build over it (little revenue attached to it anyway). The Al-Qadi's build a hotel to get some ROI. Jobs a good 'un.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2017 13:21:53 GMT
Still think we should build a Manatee tank instead of a new South Stand.
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Post by Curly Wurly on Aug 15, 2017 13:49:36 GMT
As we have all become planning experts in the last few years, we all expect opposition and legal hurdles as an integral part of the process. What is interesting to me is that one of the central elements of the TRASH opposition to the Sainsbury's development was the Carstairs argument of the whole ground being the Memorial and the following incorporation of the site as an asset of community value by the council at the request of the Bishopston society. Developing the ground is supported by these arguments. I also note that Wael has mentioned the need for constructive dialogue with the local community on the proposals that will emerge. Will it stop any opposition? Unlikely, but many of the inveterate complainers would seem to be getting what they want if Dwane Sports proceed to redevelop the stadium. Good luck with that. Whilst acknowledging the issues residents had with a superstore on the site you seem to be happy to fairly gloss over the significant opposition to the original stadium redevelopment plans, albeit they were ultimately conditionally accepted with changes and concessions. Sure you might have Carstairs onside but history shows that he's not the only thorn in our side here. You don't need to work in the planning field (although I do as it happens) to see that this is going to be a complete and utter minefield compared to the UWE planning. Still, if Wael can pull it off then more power to him! I don't disagree and don't expect anything to be plain sailing. 40 years waiting for a suitable ground are testament to that. I'm just saying that part of the local community had vociferously argued the need to retain the sporting nature of the Memorial ground as the main objection to the Sainsbury's development. This wasn't TRASH's original argument, but it was strongly adopted by them. Part of the argument was also about the need for further development of the venue, particularly to include greater community involvement. I do understand that there was some disagreement between TRASH/Carstairs/Bishopston Society and some of the earlier Horfield ROSE people as a result, but we may have some unexpected allies on our side as a result.
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Post by Curly Wurly on Aug 15, 2017 13:52:51 GMT
.....Not sure if anyone else would agree with me but im not convinced that the UWE deal is dead in the water yet. My reasoning is this. The sticking point seems to be that Wael wants to buy the ground and UWE want to lease it to us. UWE were given a deadline to agree the sale or we would pull out....... Wael confirmed that this was not the only sticking point.
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Post by Dr John Dee on Aug 15, 2017 14:20:08 GMT
I did some drawing, I marked in the size of the actual playing area according to the scale on Google and the published numbers. The rugby "run-off" area is frankly dead space, it certainly gives more room to build on.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2017 14:25:00 GMT
I did some drawing, I marked in the size of the actual playing area according to the scale on Google and the published numbers. The rugby "run-off" area is frankly dead space, it certainly gives more room to build on. If you shifted the pitch North you'd have shed loads of room.
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Post by Dr John Dee on Aug 15, 2017 14:35:37 GMT
Ans here is the Millerntor stadium inthe same space.
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Post by Peter Parker on Aug 15, 2017 14:50:27 GMT
Ans here is the Millerntor stadium inthe same space. when can you start?
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Aug 15, 2017 14:50:51 GMT
Why can't we petition to get Ashley Hill station platform back in use?
It may help alleviate traffic congestion.
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Post by Dr John Dee on Aug 15, 2017 14:52:29 GMT
Rotating 90 degrees and keeping the existing West stand.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2017 14:53:00 GMT
Ans here is the Millerntor stadium inthe same space. You naughty boy.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2017 15:28:35 GMT
Rotating 90 degrees and keeping the existing West stand. No, the West Stand should be the first to go. Before the Tent, even. Horrible stand.
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Post by nerdgas on Aug 15, 2017 15:35:48 GMT
Would we have to turn the ground round 90 degrees? Might be enough room to demolish the Blackthorn - push the pitch northwest by 10-20 meters. That would give allow room to do something with with the South 'stand'. Elongate the Dribuild and West Stand, and link these to the two new stands. So the only demolition costs would only be the Blackthorn / bars. Within a couple of years the bars are likely to fall down on their own anyway. Lose the car-park, or most of it. Or build over it (little revenue attached to it anyway). The Al-Qadi's build a hotel to get some ROI. Jobs a good 'un. Lots of people seem to think that turning the pitch gives us extra room to develop but I'm not convinced.
The site plan on the link below and you can see that as the site is generally square in shape turning the pitch wouldn't do much in terms of releasing space.
planningonline.bristol.gov.uk/online-applications/files/3F6623F931F976EFDF7256A7C4B2AAF4/pdf/08_00061_F-LOCATION_PLAN___EXISTING_STADIUM-306934.pdf
At most the pitch probably needs to move in a general north east direction (north west moves it towards the Memorial Gates) to give more space on the South and West sides for larger stands.
So yes I think you're right.
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Post by Colyton Gas. on Aug 15, 2017 15:46:31 GMT
Just wish it would begin happening.So much waffle for years and only thing which has happened is another tent.Conference clubs coming into the FL put us to shame.Quite depressing when we visit grounds where new stands etc are not being talked about but actually happening. Won't happen in my lifetime but how long can it go on?Must be a saviour out there before we hear that plan 'Z' has fallen through.Has work into the Mem update planning been going on whilst we have wasted another 18 months on the failed UWE project-again- or is it back to a protracted square one?
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Post by irishrover on Aug 15, 2017 17:18:18 GMT
Rotating 90 degrees and keeping the existing West stand. I swear one of the 50 million sketch drawings we have released to the EP and on the website was to do more or less do exactly that. Well not build the Millerntor on it (although quite frankly that would be more likely to happen than a lot of them) but switch the ground through 90 degrees. Think that was before we sold of the additional housing and car park on the practice pitch etc though.
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Post by kegandeg on Aug 15, 2017 17:38:13 GMT
This has to be done right unless it's all singing and dancing it will not attract the thousands of extra supporters like a new ground probably would have done.
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Post by eppinggas on Aug 15, 2017 18:54:28 GMT
Still think we should build a Manatee tank instead of a new South Stand. We would need to install Peter Ridsdale as Chairman...
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Post by Dr John Dee on Aug 15, 2017 19:58:29 GMT
What I like about moving the Millerntor here is that it's approaching a 30,000 capacity with about 16,000 standing. I mean, f**k you souless cathedrals in the desert; if we oould actually fill it, it would rock like AC/DC on methedrine.
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Post by Dr John Dee on Aug 15, 2017 20:02:29 GMT
Rotating 90 degrees and keeping the existing West stand. No, the West Stand should be the first to go. Before the Tent, even. Horrible stand. If you are building piece by piece, it can not go first. It has the dressing rooms and tings in it. On the 90 degree plan the East Stand has to go first, you can then build the stand behind the terracing, then in the close season demolish the terracing, move the pitch and look at the South stand.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2017 20:14:32 GMT
No, the West Stand should be the first to go. Before the Tent, even. Horrible stand. If you are building piece by piece, it can not go first. It has the dressing rooms and tings in it. On the 90 degree plan the East Stand has to go first, you can then build the stand behind the terracing, then in the close season demolish the terracing, move the pitch and look at the South stand. I'd rather have the stacked portakabins back.
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