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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2016 16:50:25 GMT
I agree Steve,the goalkeper situation needs sorting out,then a ball winning midfielder who can pass,CH and CF,hopefully keeping Matty Taylor. People are saying the team needs rebuilding next summer,I hope not as to many changes to quickly is not good. In other words much the same as we needed in the Summer! UTG! Yes and when DC said in the summer that he wanted to bring in 3 or 4 quality players I hoped it would happen.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Dec 11, 2016 16:50:59 GMT
How about: Etheridge. Bolger. Turkish Messi. Ollie McBurnie (loan) ? Wish list maybe, but all available and capable at a price.. I think that whoever comes will be loans or free transfers,and there will only be 1 or 2. Mcburnie is getting playing time at Swansea now I think, so I dont see him coming back. Controversial perhaps but how about Wilbraham ? not that it would happen. I think I'm gonna be sick..
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Post by warehamgas on Dec 11, 2016 16:51:11 GMT
Thanks for that Steve, a good read. Agree with much you said. Yes Boateng was MOM but I hope he learnt from their first goal. Poor header by Tom but as was said he just let the forward run past him without tracking back. Driving back I was thinking after the Barrow match there was a sense of relief that we got the 3 points and to an extent the result was far more important than the performance but I've said elsewhere that I thought two major points from the match were, no one should be in any doubt that MT and Rory G are our best pairing up front and should start then DC can make changes if need be. The other learning point was let Colkett and Boateng start matches together for a few matches, I thought they looked good. Am sure others will have a different opinion but the younger the player the more they need to play in a settled team or pairing. I know Colkett needs to be stronger and the conditions yesterday worked against him but he has quality and played to his strength will do well. Be interested to see the team for the next few matches as they are not the strongest opposition on paper and we should look to attack them. UTG!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2016 16:57:24 GMT
I think that whoever comes will be loans or free transfers,and there will only be 1 or 2. Mcburnie is getting playing time at Swansea now I think, so I dont see him coming back. Controversial perhaps but how about Wilbraham ? not that it would happen. I think I'm gonna be sick.. He wouldnt wear his city kit when he played. I think that him ( or somone like him) and Matty Taylor would smash this division. Rovers have had players from city before who have done a good job.
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Post by warehamgas on Dec 11, 2016 16:59:42 GMT
In other words much the same as we needed in the Summer! UTG! Yes and when DC said in the summer that he wanted to bring in 3 or 4 quality players I hoped it would happen. But I guess to be fair lots of us thought that after a fairly good September and October he had brought those in and the squad looked as strong as it ever did. I just think that perhaps the large number of loans who came in meant that DC changed too much and It became a kind of catch 22 situation where he was trying to play all the squad and stability has been sacrificed. A good December and early 2017 and I'm not sure he'll bring many in but his last two press conferences have certainly certainly given everyone a kick up the whatsit and it worked yesterday! UTG!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2016 17:07:19 GMT
Yes and when DC said in the summer that he wanted to bring in 3 or 4 quality players I hoped it would happen. But I guess to be fair lots of us thought that after a fairly good September and October he had brought those in and the squad looked as strong as it ever did. I just think that perhaps the large number of loans who came in meant that DC changed too much and It became a kind of catch 22 situation where he was trying to play all the squad and stability has been sacrificed. A good December and early 2017 and I'm not sure he'll bring many in but his last two press conferences have certainly certainly given everyone a kick up the whatsit and it worked yesterday! UTG! Not sure but didnt the loans come in after the Scunthorpe and Bolton games ? To me the squad looks big in numbers but lacks quality. I am sure that not many will come in January,the trouble is that will mean bigger changes next summer.
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Post by warehamgas on Dec 11, 2016 17:16:43 GMT
Oh yes I think you are right. With DC correctly imo, giving out contracts if we won promotion and giving that incentive to the squad it meant that we were likely to be in the position we are now with a large number of the squad not being good enough for top of league 1. Lots of the squad will probably go in the summer and we will have major changes to the club. As long as we don't get pulled into a relegation battle I feel this season is a free hit for us and DC. We had a better than expected start up to October, we probably over-achieved to be in the playoffs positions when, as you say, we are a bit short of quality in some positions. Now we are seeing that and DC has said as much but I don't expect major changes in January, I think he'll wait until the summer and go for it then. But what do I know, I've probably been calling it wrong for nearly 50 years!! UTG!
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Post by The Concept on Dec 11, 2016 17:17:26 GMT
I agree with a lot of what kwood has said here. I'm not convinced by this 'diamond midfield', if that's what it is - it seems to me that it is far too narrow, and at times yesterday looked like we had 4 central mid-fielders. I couldn't work out what role was whose; maybe that's the idea and they swap it around and swirl around like in volleyball. :-)
When not playing wingers I usually think we need someone else with pace, like Danny, to compensate. But with the narrow midfield Bury did push the full-backs on, which often meant our full-backs were faced with 2 on 1 against them. Perhaps wise to have solid full-backs, but a better team than Bury may have punished us down the flanks.
A bit of a scrappy game, some scrappy (and slightly fortuitous) goals, and they had a great chance with a one-on-one to get back to 3-3. Their 'keeper had a nightmare and even maybe could have been at fault with the 3rd. Having seen a video of OC's great strike from behind the goal, I noticed that the 'keeper was very close to his right hand post. He must just have been caught by surprise and with the pace.
Hey-ho! A win is a win and I think we deserved it.
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Post by The Concept on Dec 11, 2016 17:24:15 GMT
Oh, and a word for Puddy ... He didn't have a great deal to do and couldn't do a lot about the goals, but his distribution was excellent.
That was all aspects: from hand, the ground, from pass-backs, and under pressure.
It shouldn't be be underestimated as a quality for a goalkeeper as it enabled us to control more of the possession than we have of late, rather than it coming straight back at us. It also got us a lot more distance up the pitch if touch had to be found, when unable to pick out a player.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2016 17:29:41 GMT
Oh yes I think you are right. With DC correctly imo, giving out contracts if we won promotion and giving that incentive to the squad it meant that we were likely to be in the position we are now with a large number of the squad not being good enough for top of league 1. Lots of the squad will probably go in the summer and we will have major changes to the club. As long as we don't get pulled into a relegation battle I feel this season is a free hit for us and DC. We had a better than expected start up to October, we probably over-achieved to be in the playoffs positions when, as you say, we are a bit short of quality in some positions. Now we are seeing that and DC has said as much but I don't expect major changes in January, I think he'll wait until the summer and go for it then. But what do I know, I've probably been calling it wrong for nearly 50 years!! UTG! I agree with you but I dont like the summer rebuilding idea I would rather have some continuity and bring in a few new players every window. Thats the thing with these transfer windows its not like years ago when you could buy a player as you needed a position strengthening through injury or because a player wasnt up to it. I was thinking back to players that came in the late 60s early 70s and gradually changed from the Bert Tann team to the 74 promotion side,quite a few players came and went. Then came the torrid years in the 2nd division always battling against relegation and always under pressure at away games particuarly,the midfield never good enough and that put the defence under pressure...depressing even thinking about it.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Dec 11, 2016 17:37:07 GMT
I think I'm gonna be sick.. He wouldnt wear his city kit when he played. I think that him ( or somone like him) and Matty Taylor would smash this division. Rovers have had players from city before who have done a good job. Respect, trymer.. We have swapped players, but Wilbs was their captain yesterday. No, no, no and more nose than Barry manilow.. Plus, he's older than Kaiser.....send them both into obscurity by ignoring them! Still feel sick..
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2016 17:42:06 GMT
He wouldnt wear his city kit when he played. I think that him ( or somone like him) and Matty Taylor would smash this division. Rovers have had players from city before who have done a good job. Respect, trymer.. We have swapped players, but Wilbs was their captain yesterday. No, no, no and more nose than Barry manilow.. Plus, he's older than Kaiser.....send them both into obscurity by ignoring them! Still feel sick.. To be fair I am (much) older than khazibcfc82. Dont feel to sick as it wont happen. Someone of his ilk would be good up front with MT though,for me Rory Gaffney isnt good enough in the air and drifts out to the wing to much.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Dec 11, 2016 17:50:10 GMT
Respect, trymer.. We have swapped players, but Wilbs was their captain yesterday. No, no, no and more nose than Barry manilow.. Plus, he's older than Kaiser.....send them both into obscurity by ignoring them! Still feel sick.. To be fair I am (much) older than khazibcfc82. Dont feel to sick as it wont happen. Someone of his ilk would be good up front with MT though,for me Rory Gaffney isnt good enough in the air and drifts out to the wing to much. I agree! That's part of Rory charm, he is hard working and runs the flanks to collect the ball. He's not a conventioal target man. If we had one of them, good in the air, whom would put in the crosses yesterday bearing in mind we played no naturally wide winger?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2016 18:02:28 GMT
To be fair I am (much) older than khazibcfc82. Dont feel to sick as it wont happen. Someone of his ilk would be good up front with MT though,for me Rory Gaffney isnt good enough in the air and drifts out to the wing to much. I agree! That's part of Rory charm, he is hard working and runs the flanks to collect the ball. He's not a conventioal target man. If we had one of them, good in the air, whom would put in the crosses yesterday bearing in mind we played no naturally wide winger? The diamond system relies on the wing backs for width, I like Danny Leadbitter but his crossing is inconsistent. I would prefer out and out wingers but that means strong central midfielders,maybe one winger who can switch wings and use either foot to cross is the answer.
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Post by GasMacc1 on Dec 12, 2016 9:05:27 GMT
... and they had a great chance with a one-on-one to get back to 3-3. ... Dec 11, 2016 17:24:15 GMT The Concept said: Oh, and a word for Puddy ... He didn't have a great deal to do and couldn't do a lot about the goals, but his distribution was excellent. That was all aspects: from hand, the ground, from pass-backs, and under pressure. Did Puddy get a hand to that shot that would have made it 3-3? The ref gave a goal-kick, but the Bury players chased furiously after the ref to appeal for the corner. At the time, I thought it was a save. Even if he didn't get a hand to the ball, his positioning must have been good to get the forward to shoot wide.
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Post by warehamgas on Dec 12, 2016 10:37:39 GMT
Oh yes I think you are right. With DC correctly imo, giving out contracts if we won promotion and giving that incentive to the squad it meant that we were likely to be in the position we are now with a large number of the squad not being good enough for top of league 1. Lots of the squad will probably go in the summer and we will have major changes to the club. As long as we don't get pulled into a relegation battle I feel this season is a free hit for us and DC. We had a better than expected start up to October, we probably over-achieved to be in the playoffs positions when, as you say, we are a bit short of quality in some positions. Now we are seeing that and DC has said as much but I don't expect major changes in January, I think he'll wait until the summer and go for it then. But what do I know, I've probably been calling it wrong for nearly 50 years!! UTG! I agree with you but I dont like the summer rebuilding idea I would rather have some continuity and bring in a few new players every window. Thats the thing with these transfer windows its not like years ago when you could buy a player as you needed a position strengthening through injury or because a player wasnt up to it. I was thinking back to players that came in the late 60s early 70s and gradually changed from the Bert Tann team to the 74 promotion side,quite a few players came and went. Then came the torrid years in the 2nd division always battling against relegation and always under pressure at away games particuarly,the midfield never good enough and that put the defence under pressure...depressing even thinking about it. Good point trymer. The promotion team of 73/74 was built up over a number of years not just in one summer window. Of that team, Taylor, Parsons, Stanton, Prince and Bannister had been there some time. Stephens joined a year before and Eadie, Warboys had joined the previous Feb/march and I think only Green, Jacobs and Dobson perhaps joined in the summer (but I stand to be corrected). I guess the thing is now all clubs build in the summer, windows make it impossible to do it gradually. And of course everyone demands immediate success managers are not given time to build. Don't see many Bert Tanns, Bill Dodgins now!! My point was given that we kept the squad from last year, all things being ok, there were unlikely to be many changes in January but I expect a big change, even clear out in the summer. I only think there will be major changes this January if the next 3/4 games go belly up. But I like your point (or really didn't like it!) about the overwhelming dross brought in since 2000. I don't think that would happen under DC but you can never tell for certain. UTG!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2016 11:41:55 GMT
I agree with you but I dont like the summer rebuilding idea I would rather have some continuity and bring in a few new players every window. Thats the thing with these transfer windows its not like years ago when you could buy a player as you needed a position strengthening through injury or because a player wasnt up to it. I was thinking back to players that came in the late 60s early 70s and gradually changed from the Bert Tann team to the 74 promotion side,quite a few players came and went. Then came the torrid years in the 2nd division always battling against relegation and always under pressure at away games particuarly,the midfield never good enough and that put the defence under pressure...depressing even thinking about it. Good point trymer. The promotion team of 73/74 was built up over a number of years not just in one summer window. Of that team, Taylor, Parsons, Stanton, Prince and Bannister had been there some time. Stephens joined a year before and Eadie, Warboys had joined the previous Feb/march and I think only Green, Jacobs and Dobson perhaps joined in the summer (but I stand to be corrected). I guess the thing is now all clubs build in the summer, windows make it impossible to do it gradually. And of course everyone demands immediate success managers are not given time to build. Don't see many Bert Tanns, Bill Dodgins now!! My point was given that we kept the squad from last year, all things being ok, there were unlikely to be many changes in January but I expect a big change, even clear out in the summer. I only think there will be major changes this January if the next 3/4 games go belly up. But I like your point (or really didn't like it!) about the overwhelming dross brought in since 2000. I don't think that would happen under DC but you can never tell for certain. UTG! I think that Mike Green was there for a few seasons before the promotion,I think Staniforth came in for the promotion season ? You are right about managers not being given so much time these days,sorry for mentioning Alan Dicks again but he had 9 years as city manager before getting them promoted,it just wouldnt happen now. I didnt make my last point very well,when I mentioned the 2nd division seasons I meant 74 to 80, the promotion team largely stayed the same after promotion and seemed to stagnate,then as now there were no quality players brought in to help compete in a higher division,in fact Green left and Dobson was a long term injury ( this is from memory and I could well be wrong). I dont see the logic in going in to a higher division and not strengthening the team,of course we dont know what funds were available to Megson (or DC ).
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Post by warehamgas on Dec 12, 2016 12:28:01 GMT
Once we got promoted in 74 you are right we didn't strengthen and the inevitable happened in 81. Typical Rovers really, I think they thought they could recreate Bert Tann's "no buy no sell" policy from the 50s. But time had move down on. Good days eh? I think Staniforth joined in our promotion season as cover for Smash and grab. But again long time ago and without checking... Whatever, always UTG!
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Post by laughinggas on Dec 12, 2016 14:18:06 GMT
Was John Rudge the next striker? Can remember him playing in 4 3 3 formation against Bournemouth.
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Post by harrybuckle on Dec 12, 2016 14:43:26 GMT
Puddy did make one superb save to deny them a third goal but ref gave a goalkick. Distribution good in difficult wet and windy conditions. Boateng did well in a creative role and deserves more game time. We did not miss Leads ....over rated in my opinion and a poor defender. Taylor contributed well and caused their defence problems and clearly carrying a calf injury and is a vital or shall I say irreplaceable in the side with his fantastic goals record ...30 goals in the calendar year of 2016.
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