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Post by CountyGroundHotel on Dec 12, 2016 20:02:01 GMT
So the ref gets all decisions about the scrum correct? Think there is cheating there. You'll have to equate that one again. As in all sports rugby players push the rules to the limit but they recognise the dangers of the game & don't seek to deliberately injury other players or feign injury to make a hard job even harder for the referee let alone seek to get another player sent off. Still if you agree with footballers play acting to get another player sent off then just say it.
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Post by laughinggas on Dec 12, 2016 20:13:12 GMT
How did I say I agree with playacting I was answering a point about one incedent in rugby. The forwards con refs all the time, that was my point!
Sometimes I think 50% of fouls are from playacting in football
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2016 20:13:25 GMT
rugby players push the rules to the limit but they recognise the dangers of the game & don't seek to deliberately injury other players Punches hidden beneath the scrum and the 'eye gouging' would not support this assertion. I accept that there is greater respect for the official and better behaviour. But rugby players are dirty ducks too.
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Post by CountyGroundHotel on Dec 12, 2016 20:18:56 GMT
rugby players push the rules to the limit but they recognise the dangers of the game & don't seek to deliberately injury other players Punches hidden beneath the scrum and the 'eye gouging' would not support this assertion. I accept that there is greater respect for the official and better behaviour. But rugby players are dirty ducks too. You're right there are instances of eye gouging & even biting and appropriate bans, in excess of almost all bans handed out in football, are handed out as a matter of course. Plenty of punches but the days of hidden punches are pretty much long gone. In the meantime football is still riddled with 'punches' & 'elbows' that routinely 'lay out' players in every match. Still I get the impression that is what some want to see in football.
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Post by Rex on Dec 12, 2016 20:55:33 GMT
You prove the point perfectly April 2009 that happened and you can't think of anything else since. It was enough. Without trying to defend 'Bloodgate' in anyway, while the Quins player was feigning injury, it is a slightly different case, and it isn't a problem that called in anyway be described as rife in the sport, in the same way 'face clutching' is in football. The other point I would make, is that the Quins coach involved ended up with a 3 year ban. Dean Richards was/is a big name in rugby, in football terms think someone along the lines of Wenger or Mourinho, can you imagine the FA sanctioning a (worldwide) ban of that length for managers instructing their players to dive?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2016 21:09:35 GMT
Without trying to defend 'Bloodgate' in anyway, while the Quins player was feigning injury, it is a slightly different case, and it isn't a problem that called in anyway be described as rife in the sport, in the same way 'face clutching' is in football. The other point I would make, is that the Quins coach involved ended up with a 3 year ban. Dean Richards was/is a big name in rugby, in football terms think someone along the lines of Wenger or Mourinho, can you imagine the FA sanctioning a (worldwide) ban of that length for managers instructing their players to dive? For what its worth, I think it was a far greater piece of cheating than virtually anything I can think of apart from systematic doping. Therefore yes, I think any major football figure would get a very significant ban if they went to those levels of collusion and premeditation in order to fake an incident to get around an onfield rule. But my only real reason for bringing it up is that I don't like rugby, or the supposed virtue in which it is played. James Clarke was a bit daft, but he had just been bopped on the nose in full view of the red and the Bury player got what he deserved.
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Post by Rex on Dec 12, 2016 21:28:52 GMT
Without trying to defend 'Bloodgate' in anyway, while the Quins player was feigning injury, it is a slightly different case, and it isn't a problem that called in anyway be described as rife in the sport, in the same way 'face clutching' is in football. The other point I would make, is that the Quins coach involved ended up with a 3 year ban. Dean Richards was/is a big name in rugby, in football terms think someone along the lines of Wenger or Mourinho, can you imagine the FA sanctioning a (worldwide) ban of that length for managers instructing their players to dive? For what its worth, I think it was a far greater piece of cheating than virtually anything I can think of apart from systematic doping. Therefore yes, I think any major football figure would get a very significant ban if they went to those levels of collusion and premeditation in order to fake an incident to get around an onfield rule. But my only real reason for bringing it up is that I don't like rugby, or the supposed virtue in which it is played.
James Clarke was a bit daft, but he had just been bopped on the nose in full view of the red and the Bury player got what he deserved. I get that, and the holier than thou approach of some rugby fans can be annoying, but there are some things that I would love football to learn from rugby. Wew ill have to agree to differ on whether a football manager would get the same level of ban.
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Post by mrbluesky on Dec 12, 2016 22:09:35 GMT
although james clarke was a bit silly in this instance we must not forget hes been very reliable performer for our club and a part of our return to the seemingly distant heights of league 1
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